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Subject  :  Warp Vision
Author  :  melf mikaelelf@os2ug.se
Date  :  15 Aug, 2006 on 08:50
I get returning hangups on Warp Vision, especially when looking or hearing on streamed media. These hangups are not "killable" in any way.CAD pop up can't kill the process. Only way is to restart. It doesn't seem to effect my desktops other life, which means I can run other programs, seemingly without any great loss of performance. I cannot start a new instance of WV and there is "ghostsquares" of WV windows left on the screen. Only way to get away from that is to shift to another virtual desktop.

Another problem is that streams tend to get broken and lost, and it is often hard to look at a whole video on e.g. BBC news or other newspapers. Radiostreams the same, breaks after some minutes.

In general synchronization of audio and video is bad even on a video at my harddrive, audio is often coming after.

I use eCS 1.2MR on an ACER Aspire 1350 laptop (2600+, 700MB RAM). The built in graphic card(Pro Savage DDR P4X333,KM400) is not supported accelerated, but as VBE 2.0. It is not supported by Warp Overlay either. Is that my problem(unaccelerated card) or is it a common problem that you also recognize?? At the same time, when looking at videos which are supported by the native eCS player(which aren't many!) the quality there is much better.


/Mikael

Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  15 Aug, 2006 on 14:50
I have had similar experiences. Are you using the command line WV or the WVGui? What version of WV are you using?

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Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  melf mikaelelf@os2ug.se
Date  :  15 Aug, 2006 on 15:25
Nice to hear (Well, actually not nice...) that someone share my experience. I'm using WVGui 1.01, build date 26/5 2006, but my experiences have been the same along the time with WV. What about your graphic card,does SNAP support it for 2D acceleration? Is it supported by Warp Overlay?

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Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  Grimus andi710@web.de
Date  :  15 Aug, 2006 on 16:52
I have hangups quite frequently with WarpVision (WVGui). Unfortunately here they are not easily killable either _and_ make the entire system hang. I have a dual Opteron system here, thought it might be related to my SMP setup...

Cheers
Andreas


Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  Pete losepete@ntlworld.com
Date  :  15 Aug, 2006 on 17:18
Hi

Around 18 months ago I had a Desktop PC which was using a graphics card not supported by WarpOverlay. WarpVision playback was, at best, "flacky".

Changing to a card that had better SNAP and WarpOverlay support improved matters a lot. My current card works with the SNAP overlay support which is even better.

So, I think the answer is in the lack of support currently available for the graphics chipset in use. Being a laptop that precludes the "update the graphics card" possibility so I guess you are waiting for SNAP to get better support...

I have noticed that SNAP "test builds" are often made available - if they exist - to those who ask nicely on the newsgroup
news.scitechsoft.com/scitech.snap.graphics.os2

I think the trick is too enquire politely as to whether SNAP will support the chipset in the near future.

I am also wondering which of the various WarpOverlay packages you are using; I have a warpoverlay-20060306.zip from here http://en.ecomstation.ru/projects/happyplayer/download/warpoverlay-20060306.zip

This version works well with an nviidia card that was having problems with earlier versions of WO.

Hope the above is of some help.

Pete


Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  15 Aug, 2006 on 21:32
ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/pub/wvgui/wvgui1.01.zip
Is this the version? It does not give a date with it.

I have a SiS (IIRC) that is supported by SNAP. WV hangs with certain video formats.

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Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  melf mikaelelf@os2ug.se
Date  :  16 Aug, 2006 on 13:18

Pete (15 Aug, 2006 17:1:


Changing to a card that had better SNAP and WarpOverlay support improved matters a lot. My current card works with the SNAP overlay support which is even better.

Pete


Thanks a lot for your answer. Seems then that is has to do with lacking accelerated SNAP and WarpOverlay support. When I bought my laptop some years ago, I didn't think too much, just sbout the price. Next time I will (at least I intend to) check hardware thouroughly.


Grimus

I have hangups quite frequently with WarpVision (WVGui). Unfortunately here they are not easily killable either _and_ make the entire system hang. I have a dual Opteron system here, thought it might be related to my SMP setup...

Cheers
Andreas


How about you graphic support? SNAP, Warp Overlay?


BigWarpGuy

ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/pub/wvgui/wvgui1.01.zip
Is this the version? It does not give a date with it.

I have a SiS (IIRC) that is supported by SNAP. WV hangs with certain video formats.

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Yes, thats the one.

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Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  melf mikaelelf@os2ug.se
Date  :  17 Aug, 2006 on 23:44
Pete, I tested your idea of politely ask for future support and it worked halfway. I was asked to open a help ticket and they "should se what they could do". The hangup is that it isn't enough to have the SNAP ENT via Serenity Systems software subscription, you have to have your own individual license, otherwise you get no help.

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Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  Sebadoh sys3175@optonline.net
Date  :  26 Aug, 2006 on 05:30

melf (17 Aug, 2006 23:44):
Pete, I tested your idea of politely ask for future support and it worked halfway. I was asked to open a help ticket and they "should se what they could do". The hangup is that it isn't enough to have the SNAP ENT via Serenity Systems software subscription, you have to have your own individual license, otherwise you get no help.

I have registered copies of SDD, SNAP (which is no longer for sale on a personal basis) and they don't do anything for you anyway. It is getting sick to hear "blah blah blah money money money" I understand companies need to make money, on the other hand the whole point of making SNAP/SDD platform neutral is that development of a driver for any support OS would be able to be used on ALL supported OS. OS/2 is defiently not financially viable on its own, but it seems Scitech doesn't actually make money on ANY supported OS that SNAP is available for. Their only source of income is making custom versions for embedded applications and devices. These devices generally use very old and outdated video chipsets and I doubt if we will see very many more driver updates for SNAP. Which sucks, since I am in the market for a new video card and am having a hell of a hard time finding a card which is still for sale which works fully with snap. Telling me that it will work with VBE mode doesn't fill me with a warm fuzzy feeling. VBE is USELESS. I have a 1600x1200 DVI display. I do not want to watch the screen draw line by line (or worse not at all). ::sigh:: I will stop ranting now.

Getting back on topic, not all the problems with WV is the video drivers, I have a fully supported Matrox G400max w/ Warpoverlay and WV still hangs and hiccups quite often.


Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  Bobber rbrown@wyobeam.com
Date  :  26 Aug, 2006 on 06:56
My two cents:

I have the following setup and use DVI.

ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB AGP Dual Video Card
ASUS P4C800 Deluxe Motherboard
Samsung SyncMaster 203B Monitor

The video card is 2 years old.

WarpVisionGUI Build date:23 May 2006 has performed flawlessly.

Running the above on eCS 2.0 beta.


Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  Ben Dragon
Date  :  26 Aug, 2006 on 07:24
Actually, a single license SNAP driver is still available, but Scitech doesn't sell it.

You have to go to Mensys' online shop to get it.

I don't know how many more updates to the OS/2 base SNAP driver SciTech is going to supply, but I haven't noticed any slowdowns as of yet. One was released rather recently, though.

Of course, Serenity Systems bought a major license and all copies ofeCS starting with version 2.0 will have it built in, so the need for single user licenses is bound to drop from "very few" to virtually nil.

However, as long as improvements, updates and compatibility with new Video Cards continues I'll be happy... though screen rotation and other enhancements would be just fine too!

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Subject  :  Re:Warp Vision
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  26 Aug, 2006 on 23:35
Sounds like an incentive to buy 2.0

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