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Subject  :  ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  vingfel vingfel@excite.com
Date  :  12 Oct, 2005 on 19:37
I have eCS 1.1 installed on a Pentium Pro PC.
I forgot it, but this installation had an ESS card in it long time ago. I found the REMed traces of it in the config.sys.
I removed the Crystal card present at this time because it wasn't working. The sound was only 1 second long and repeated itself until PC reboot. I REMed the related lines in the config.sys.
Then I put an SB16 ISA card based on Vibra16 chipset.

But I wasn't able to reinstall the sound card on the system. The Selective Install don't show sound card any more, and the last drivers found on Hobbes, installed with MINSTALL don't give any result either. Now I have the "device driver not found" when I try to use PM123.


The last time I really dived into an install was with the OS2 interface.

I do not remember how to remove cleanly a sound card, and how to install a new one. UNIAUD is only for PCI cards. And I want to put an ISA card there.

May someone help?

Thank you


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  davidfor
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 01:40
The recommended way for installing a soundcard is to run mminstall for the card again, but, select zero for the number of devices. This removes the statements from CONFIG.SYS and updates the MMOS/2 INI files to remove the sound.

But, I suspect that this won't work for you now. From memory, one of the eCS 1.1 CDs has a way of resetting the MMOS/2 installation. Then you can install the soundcard again. I think this is on the second CD, and is part of a utitlity to install all the extras that aren't included in the base install. I don't have the CDs or an eCS installation with me to check.

---
David


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 09:33
Hi vingfel,

yes - David is right. IIRC it is a simple script which is contained on the 2nd CD of eCS 1.1. Unfortunately, I haven't got them with me as well...
But here's a manual way of "resetting" if anything else fails. I don't know if it's the RIGHT way to do it manually, but at least it worked for me some time ago.

Locate the file \mmos2\mmpm2.ini (plain text INI file).

In the [Drivers] section, note the name of Waveaudio=xxxx value (the xxxx being the name of the "audio driver").

Then, in [Drivers] remove the lines...:
Waveaudio=...
Ampmix=...
Sequencer=...

Next, scroll down to the sections that contain the "driver name". They are located after the last [IBMCDAUDIO] section which is either [ibmcdaudio01] or - like with my setup - [ibmcdaudio02].
Remove all the sections remaining and showing the "driver name" in them. That's to say: Remove the entire section with the [section] name line and all the other lines until the next section begins.
For example with Uniaudio drivers that's...
[uniaudwave01]
[uniaudwave01-play]
[uniaudwave01-record]
[uniaudampmix01]
[uniaudfm01]
[uniaudfm01-play]
[unifmampmix01]
...and their corresponding entry lines.

Oh ...and of course, remove the drivers lines from config.sys. That should get you rid of the driver. More or less.

If you're not sure what entries to edit/delete in mmpm2.ini, I suggest you send/attach your mmpm2.ini in your next post and I'll re-send you the edited version.

Greetings
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 09:47
Vingfel,

I once had the SB16 w/ Vibra chipset too. It was called "SoundBlaster Value" or something like that. I remember that it was quite "difficult" to install as it was not easy to determine the "right" OS/2 driver for it.
I remember that with Warp3 it worked almost out-of-the-box but I had some trouble with Warp4.

That ESS card no longer exists, I suggest? Too bad. I liked them a lot, because at that time of ISA cards, the drivers were well-documented and installed almost flawlessly.

The Crystal chipset cards (cs423x iirc) were a good choice as well, though they later on started to build version with some kind of "ISA PnP". I hate PnP. I preferred jumpers.

Anyway - if you are in the need of an ISA sound card, eBay holds tons of them. In general, I was much more satisfied with whatever ISA sound card than I'm today with no-matter-what PCI model.

Good luck.
If you're stuck in trouble, let me (us) know.

Greetings
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  vingfel vingfel@excite.com
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 11:33
I have tons of ISA SB cards, some ESS, and 1 or 2 Crystal cards. I do not remember why I removed the ESS long time ago, but I removed the Crystal because it didn't worked. It only played the first half second of the music in loop, even when the machine did the shutdown. A hardware reset was needed. Wrong driver or damaged card? I do not know.
I will try some of the the trics I read above and I will eventually retry the ESS or the Crystal.

This machine is used as simple file/print server in a workgroup. It have about 1.1Tb of drive in a strange configuration, as the differents space is used for different task, and a new 500Gb (well, 445Gb :/ ) is used as backup.
I thought that I could use it as MP3 ans radio stram player as this PC never sleep.

Why ISA, as my machine have PCI slots? Well, becasue it's n old machine, I do not ask a lot, and if I cannot use an old ISA card for simply playing some MP3 or hearing simple stream, than I can thow all these away. All these precious element from my youth... And I like to do all my possible to keep this old Pentium Pro in service.
As you can see, mos of this is not an intellectual choice, but mainly a sentimental choice Otherwise I would buy the cheapest all-integrated motherboard with an AMD processor.

Any other suggestion/idea would be welcome.

Thank you for your help.


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  vingfel vingfel@excite.com
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 11:41
I have tons of ISA SB cards, some ESS, and 1 or 2 Crystal cards. I do not remember why I removed the ESS long time ago, but I removed the Crystal because it didn't worked. It only played the first half second of the music in loop, even when the machine did the shutdown. A hardware reset was needed. Wrong driver or damaged card? I do not know.
I will try some of the the trics I read above and I will eventually retry the ESS or the Crystal.

This machine is used as simple file/print server in a workgroup. It have about 1.1Tb of drive in a strange configuration, as the differents space is used for different task, and a new 500Gb (well, 445Gb :/ ) is used as backup.
I thought that I could use it as MP3 ans radio stram player as this PC never sleep.

Why ISA, as my machine have PCI slots? Well, becasue it's n old machine, I do not ask a lot, and if I cannot use an old ISA card for simply playing some MP3 or hearing simple stream, than I can thow all these away. All these precious element from my youth... And I like to do all my possible to keep this old Pentium Pro in service.
As you can see, mos of this is not an intellectual choice, but mainly a sentimental choice Otherwise I would buy the cheapest all-integrated motherboard with an AMD processor.

Any other suggestion/idea would be welcome.

Thank you for your help.


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  vingfel vingfel@excite.com
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 11:44
I have tons of ISA SB cards, some ESS, and 1 or 2 Crystal cards. I do not remember why I removed the ESS long time ago, but I removed the Crystal because it didn't worked. It only played the first half second of the music in loop, even when the machine did the shutdown. A hardware reset was needed. Wrong driver or damaged card? I do not know.
I will try some of the the trics I read above and I will eventually retry the ESS or the Crystal.

This machine is used as simple file/print server in a workgroup. It have about 1.1Tb of drive in a strange configuration, as the differents space is used for different task, and a new 500Gb (well, 445Gb :/ ) is used as backup.
I thought that I could use it as MP3 ans radio stram player as this PC never sleep.

Why ISA, as my machine have PCI slots? Well, becasue it's n old machine, I do not ask a lot, and if I cannot use an old ISA card for simply playing some MP3 or hearing simple stream, than I can thow all these away. All these precious element from my youth... And I like to do all my possible to keep this old Pentium Pro in service.
As you can see, mos of this is not an intellectual choice, but mainly a sentimental choice Otherwise I would buy the cheapest all-integrated motherboard with an AMD processor.

Any other suggestion/idea would be welcome.

Thank you for your help.


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  vingfel vingfel@excite.com
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 11:46
I have tons of ISA SB cards, some ESS, and 1 or 2 Crystal cards. I do not remember why I removed the ESS long time ago, but I removed the Crystal because it didn't worked. It only played the first half second of the music in loop, even when the machine did the shutdown. A hardware reset was needed. Wrong driver or damaged card? I do not know.
I will try some of the the trics I read above and I will eventually retry the ESS or the Crystal.

This machine is used as simple file/print server in a workgroup. It have about 1.1Tb of drive in a strange configuration, as the differents space is used for different task, and a new 500Gb (well, 445Gb :/ ) is used as backup.
I thought that I could use it as MP3 ans radio stram player as this PC never sleep.

Why ISA, as my machine have PCI slots? Well, becasue it's n old machine, I do not ask a lot, and if I cannot use an old ISA card for simply playing some MP3 or hearing simple stream, than I can thow all these away. All these precious element from my youth... And I like to do all my possible to keep this old Pentium Pro in service.
As you can see, mos of this is not an intellectual choice, but mainly a sentimental choice Otherwise I would buy the cheapest all-integrated motherboard with an AMD processor.

Any other suggestion/idea would be welcome.

Thank you for your help.


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 12:16
...sentimental you say?
I know. My pc room is filled up with "memories". I also have a Pentium Pro 200 machine that was used as a test mysql/php server in another office. Warp 3 on it iirc.
And I simply can't put cards away that have been working flawlessly for years, even if those years are long gone. I kind of "admire" them for what they stood for at their time. It's not fair to throw them away simply because some plastic crap of today is faster and cheaper (if ever it is).
Okay... what were we talking about...?

Well, most of the ISA sound cards are not resource-manager aware and might show strange behaviour if some of their ressources (irq) are shared.
This could possibly be the cause for the loop, although I doubt that and rather suspect the card being either defective or rather the wrong driver (version)...

With ESS cards, I've got all of the ISA model drivers somewhere on a CD that I can offer you. However, if you can make sure to find the RIGHT drivers for the SoundBlaster... then, if I was you, I'ld go for the SoundBlaster16 card and make sure that resources are "free" (irq5, i/o 220, dma3 iirc).
You can take a look using "rmview /io" or "rmview /irq" in an OS/2 shell to see what's free and what's not BTW.

As the machine in question is a file server, there's not much other "multimedia" stuff in it I guess? (Like vintage TV capture cards or so...)

Greetings
Thomas

Note: Looks like somehtings wrong with the forum... messages keep being re-posted "automatically". Or am I the only one to notice multiple copies?


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  vingfel vingfel@excite.com
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 12:39
Oops...
Each time I posted, there was an error. So I went pback and posted again, and again...

Sooooory.

Well, about the ESS cards, I would appreciate the drivers... Is there somewhere I can download them?

Eventually, the files can be put in my small FTP server. Anonymous user have an upload directory. But I still didn't tested this a lot.

Guess on which PC is my FTP server

The sound card is the only multimedia device in this "server" PC.

I was thinking... I wanted to put all the "most prestigious" material of this era in this PC. I put a Matrox Millenium video card. And Matrox even if excellent, allways was a special case for a lot of things... Maybe change it for an S3 Virge DX or Trio64?? There shouldn't be any effect in this case...


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  13 Oct, 2005 on 14:03
Hi,

okay - I noticed that same error too: One I clicked on "post" the browser wa sloading but didn't return. I then went back to the home page of os2world and noticed that my posting indeed was there. Strange.

Here's the D/L link for ess tech sound cards - direct #link to the ISA models:
http://www.esstech.com/techsupp/drivers.shtm#isa
[Good luck!]

But why not stay with the Matrox? I love their cards. But some time ago I was told that their drivers (for OS/2) seem to be not quite "perfect" and that SNAP is better. But that deals mostly with color precision stuff (watching tv...) and as I said - that was some time ago.
I enjoy my Matrox card. And as a registered user of Snap - they work great. As long as you use SNAP or Scitechs SDD, there won't be any impact with changing graphics adapter as long as the new one is supported.
With native drivers, you'll probably have to revert back to standard VGA first in order to get a "clean" install of the new native drivers first.

I would stay with the Matrox - unless the other card(s) are faster or will have any other benefits (like dual-head, tv-out or whatever features).
"Never change a running system"

Greetings
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  Fahrvenugen
Date  :  14 Oct, 2005 on 07:06
Just thought I'd add my $0.02 here... On the ISA sound cards, I agree that the best luck I had in getting things to work under Warp was the old ISA ESS based sound card. Worked like a charm, the drivers were solid too and even properly supported sound in WinOS/2! While I've also had Crystal based cards, and a true SoundBlaster 16, I never found drivers for these cards that seemed to work as well as the ESS based cards... My main complaint is their *recording quality* wasn't as good as I'd have liked, but for playback they were great.

But it is true that you needed to set the IRQ, IO, and DMA to something that nothing else in the machine was on. Otherwise the thing just didn't work.


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  vingfel vingfel@excite.com
Date  :  26 Oct, 2005 on 13:53
Okay, I am quite late.
I didn't had the time to try the réinstallation of an new isa sound card unteil bthe day before yesterday.

I used the "install.cmd" in the CD N°2 of eCS1.1 to
- remove the MMOS2, then after reboot.
- réinstall MMOS2 and then to install a sound card.

Sadly, the Creative Vibra16 didnt' worked.
Well, i installed and ESS1686. Somebody said that the recroding quality is bad, but I do not care, as i only hear.

Everything works fine now.

I really want to thank you for your help. Particular thanks for Warpcafe.

Vingfel.


Subject  :  Re:ISA sound card with eCS1.1
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  26 Oct, 2005 on 16:17

vingfel (26 Oct, 2005 13:53):
I really want to thank you for your help. Particular thanks for Warpcafe.
Vingfel.

Hey, you're welcome!
Good to know that we helped in solving a problem.

Cheers
Thomas


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