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Subject  :  Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  Jos pavane@operamail.com
Date  :  27 Sep, 2003 on 06:46
Does anyone know of any work being done to improve the "visual aspects" of my "all-time fav" OS?

As much as I hate to say it, the interface/desktop is looking decidedly tired. Especially when stacked against MacOS 10.2, and even that "other" OS, you know the one - DOS in sheeps clothing...... When it has ObjectDock, and ***Blinds (where would Stardock be today were it not for their earlier product Object Desktop 1.x) even if it performs like a beached whale, it does look impressive.

Anyway, with these newer items on the various desktops these days using .PNG items for icons, we have to be honest and say that OS/2 looks tired, and in need of a face lift.

As I see it eCS, OS/2 has only two areas now where we require help. Full multimedia abilities, and as stated above - the visuals

Jos


We are what we consistently do, excellence therefore is a habit, not an accident.

Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  28 Sep, 2003 on 02:14
I think there are some at Netlabs http://www.netlabs.org
There is one called 'bubble wrap' but I have to look for the url.
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Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  28 Sep, 2003 on 02:15
You might want to check out Hobbes http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
and the OS/2 Site http://www.os2site.com
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Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  28 Sep, 2003 on 14:36
Hi,

well it all depends on what you have already... nothig? Then you should check out NPSWPS which I use a lot (window frame animations, window shadow on desktop), then there's the animated mouse pointers of course, Christian Langanke's WPAMPTR (I guess) and if you're still not satisfied, choose between CandyBarz/CandyFolders (Chris Wolgemuth/Netlabs) and DialogEnhancer...

That reminds me of XWorkplaces shutdown animation: At least a dozen of winows users asked me if that is avalibale for windblows as well... which I denied and asked them to think about migrating to eCS. <g>

This list doesn't need to be complete - maybe others have other tips, like good sources for skins, themes, icons and sounds... why not set up a page like the "XWP widget collection"? I remember that <ShyGuy> some years ago was about to set up a candybarz theme collection, and there already is a collection of skins for pm123 (which became freeware BTW).

Cheers
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  28 Sep, 2003 on 14:43
er... as for that .PNG support, I can't tell. This might require to extend the Desktop classes with methods for including IOProcs for PNG or even tranparency support.
I'm no such good programmer in that area and have no idea of the SOM or WPS programming behind it.
Might be that Ulrich Moeller could tell us something about it. I know that PNG is open source and that there already is support under OS/2 - but not in such way that those pictures could be used as desktop icons.

...wow, that makes me think of what would be possible if there should ever be support for MNG or GIF as well: Animated desktop icons - coool! What a great way to waste performance! <g>

Cheers
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  Jos pavane@operamail.com
Date  :  29 Sep, 2003 on 03:45
Thanks for the comments so far.... Thinking about what I was asking today, & on the visual presentation side I guess all I really mean is an improvement to the icon sets, and additional skins to the "X-Workplace" environment.

So really what it is I think that OS/2 needs is for some people who are far smarter than I am to develope .PNG support. As it is this that really makes the Mac OS visually stunning, and .PNGs are now available on windoze via such tools as "ObjectDock".

I have to use that damn OS at work, and so I have spent a significant amount of time altering the "L&F" of the desktop. Now it thankfully looks anything but a windoze OS - still doesn't prevent it from running like a pig, but at least the visual enhancements have not made any worse. And now when I come home to my "eCS sanctuary", in someways I feel as though I have stepped back in time - visually. My performance is outstanding, and I don't believe that static anhancements to look & feel will impair it any.

Jos


We are what we consistently do, excellence therefore is a habit, not an accident.

Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  chekmarx
Date  :  18 Nov, 2005 on 06:45
I think two items that would really help in the UI department are:

1] Broader *official* support for InnoTek's most excellent anti-aliased font-engine, especially if the PMSHELL/WPS could be safely supported as the Mozilla family of applications are. Right now I have PMSHELL.EXE setup in the InnoTek portion of the registry and it seems to work very well for me, but for some reason other people have major trouble with instability and WPS crashes.

Every major operating-system out there (Windows, MAC OSX, Linux) has full support for anti-aliased fonts, and in the case of windows MS has even taken it a step further with cleartype, which IMO is very nice indeed. No matter how much it pains me to say so. While some people totally hate it, IMO it would be a huge bonus to have eCS/OS2 be able to more fully utilize the font-engine for general use.

2] Having a nice little system program to import and be able to use the multitude of windows themes available under eCS. There's currently some work being done in this area via eSchemes for eCS, and if it ever comes to total fruitation it will really have a good impact IMO on the visuals for eCS. Unfortunately it looks like this will only be for eCS and not OS/2 in general.

I know this is an older discussion but I wanted to add my 2-cents in anyway

Gregory L. Marx
chekmarx@gmail.com


Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  MiPo michaelmuell@ffohttop.de
Date  :  18 Nov, 2005 on 12:39

Jos (29 Sep, 2003 03:45):
So really what it is I think that OS/2 needs is for some people who are far smarter than I am to develope .PNG support. As it is this that really makes the Mac OS visually stunning, and .PNGs are now available on windoze via such tools as "ObjectDock".
Jos

Well, PNG-support is already there if you have eCS! You can find a png-class at the eCS beta zone (http://betazone.ecomstation.com). AFAIK the class works well and is fully integrated into the MMOS2! I assume it will be integrated into eCS 2.0 / 1.2 refresh!


Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  Ben Dragon
Date  :  18 Nov, 2005 on 17:16
I have to agree. It is definitely time for an OS/2/eCS face lift.

One of the first things that strikes the newcomer to OS/2, is the age of its look.

An OS can have the most advanced features in the world and be the best at everything computing related, but if it looks like Geodesk then people are going to balk.

In my opinion, right now, it is the biggest single holdback to eCS/OS/2 expansion.


The icons are old and ugly, big and unweildly, rough and passe. There used to be a plethora of icons available for OS/2... there still is, but suffer from the same fate as the built-ins; advanced aging.

Fixing that in itself, would go a long way to bringing the look of our favourite OS, into the 21st century.

I know, I know. There are addons, and things can be done to prissy things up, but at a cost of time and stability. And they, themselves, are showing age and are limited in scope.

I say, for Serenity Systems and eCS 2.0, spend a bit of time adding what one can and making it work smoothly without adding instability.

That alone will sell copies, (now that the installation issues have been delt with.)

Of course, one of the major blockages is the lack of a modern graphics application for the OS. While powerful for their day, Photo>graphics, Embellish, Colorworks, Impos/2 are not the tools to meet the current standards of graphics.

Personally, I don't care what platform the graphics are made on, the first step is for us to get them, then integrate them, then enjoy them.

It's time to pour some hot water in a big tub, grab some soap, a face cloth and a scrub brush and clean up OS/2. You can't take her out and show her off at the prom if she looks like yesterday's road-kill.

All in favour say "I".

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Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  melf mikaelelf@os2ug.se
Date  :  18 Nov, 2005 on 22:59
That is really important, if one would like to get new buyers. I'm surprised that Serenity released there democd with the boot up desktop, which is not very attractive to a new user. Who wants to buy if your not already dedicated?

Subject  :  Re:Visual enhancements for eCS(OS/2)??
Author  :  Ben Dragon
Date  :  19 Nov, 2005 on 00:25
Yes.

It was definitely working against SSI's purposes in releasing the demo, to have the default desktop come up.

The unintiated will take one look and go;

Yuk! - I'll pass thank you...



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