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Subject  :  HardWare Detect?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  25 Jun, 2004 on 19:51
MS has a program that is MSDiagnose. It detects what hardware there is and what version of drivers there is. Is there a similar program for OS/2-eCS? I tried the hardware manager but it does not see the audio chipset on the notebook computer. I have not been able to get the sound to work on my Thinkpad 760EL. I have tried the OS/2 drivers for it from IBM and the universal audio driver but both crash the computer when I reboot it (for it to take effect). Once I rem them out of config.sys, it boots okay.
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Subject  :  PMWhy?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  25 Jun, 2004 on 23:35
I found pmwhy at http://hobbes.nmsu.edu and downloaded it and unzipped it onto my Thinkpad 760EL. I tried it but nothing happened (at least nothing showed on the screen).

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Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  25 Jun, 2004 on 23:54
Hi,

IIRC, the OS/2 hardware manager can only present the devices to you whose drivers are "hardware-manager aware" - thus, a device in your machine that has no os/2 driver won't appear.
To overcome this problem, I would suggest you to try the pci sniffer (from hobbes: http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/new/pci048vkd.zip )

Unfortunately, any ISA devices won't be recognized - maybe Sysinfo/2 can help in this case... but not sure:
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/system/sysinfo0820.zip

Good luck!

BTW: Can you tell us more about the notebook problem? What type of sound chip is built into it? Have you tried freeing possible resources (e.g. removing pcmcia cards) and/or reserving resources for the sound chip that might be allocated by the hardware manager / resource manager otherwise...?

Greeting
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  27 Jun, 2004 on 02:08
Thanks for the information and the links. I am hoping to figure out the audio chipset used on my IBM Thinkpad 760EL since none of the drivers that are suppose to be for it seem to work (and cause it not to boot). In the bios, the sound tests okay when checked (it has a built in feature to test components).

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Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  os2power
Date  :  27 Jun, 2004 on 03:45
Most likely your audio would be an ESS, however why not
check IBM Support site there you'll find most info needed
and drivers as well.

cheers, os2power


Subject  :  Re: HardWare Detect?
Author  :  icebear
Date  :  27 Jun, 2004 on 07:13
One of the best tool for recognizing hardware under OS/2 comes from Veit Kannegieser:

pci048vkd.zip

is currently most accurate and can be found on hobbes


Subject  :  Re: HardWare Detect?
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  27 Jun, 2004 on 18:17

sam (27 Jun, 2004 07:13):
One of the best tool for recognizing hardware under OS/2 comes from Veit Kannegieser:
pci048vkd.zip
is currently most accurate and can be found on hobbes

I totally agree! This is Veit's port of the "pci" program that originates from linux I guess - the device database that contains the ID strings of devices is used by more than a dozen of different products in windows - like SiSoft's "Sandra" which is an extremely good product.
PCI048VKD.ZIP is exactly what I proposed in my first reply to BigWarpGuy but now there's something else that comes to my mind:

If you have dual boot system on that Thinkpad with Windoze installed in a different partition then why not simply boot windoze to identify the sound chip?
If you don't have windows at hand (why should one have that anyway?) there's a different way:

I checked at the OS/2 DDPAK online web site and as far as I've seen, all possible Thinkpad 760EL type models use an ISA sound chip from ESS. It's either ES688 or ES1688 - the problem is that in each Thinkpad drivers header, it says "ES688" but in the text describing the downloadable files, it says "ES1688".
Unfortunately, there's a difference between them of course. I would suggest you go for the ES1688. Anyway - here's the DDPAK URL for Thinkpads (US)

http://www7.software.ibm.com/2bcprod.nsf/WebCat?OpenView&Start=1&Count=300&Expand=41.11#41.11

And here's the URL for the ESS (manufacturer) drivers matrix:
http://www.esstech.com/techsupp/drivers.shtm#isa

Note that because the sound chip is an ISA model, it probably won't appear in pci.exe... good luck anyway!

Thomas


Subject  :  Re: HardWare Detect?
Author  :  icebear
Date  :  27 Jun, 2004 on 18:58
One more suggestion:

Each IBM Thinkpad has an 2 individual identification numbers:

1) a unique serial #
2) and here more important a specific model number ie. 2366-JBU

On IBM's website one is able to check the i.e. warranty status of the respective unit ...
... or the respective technical specs !!!

IBM's Thinpads are not cheap ...
... but they get an excellent documentation and support if needed

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/product.do?brandind=10&template=/productselection/landingpages/multipleFileDownloadLandingPage.vm&validate=true

Good luck !


Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  28 Jun, 2004 on 01:16
Thanks for the information and the link.
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_9547U4F
I have found the information that I was hoping to find at the above link. I used the model number at http://www.ibm.com .

It shows that the audio is ES1688. I tried to to install the drivers for this chipset but it indicated it could was an ED1688 chipset. Could the audio chipset be damaged therefore undetectable by the driver and usable by OS/2?

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Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  28 Jun, 2004 on 12:57

BigWarpGuy (28 Jun, 2004 01:16):
Thanks for the information and the link.
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_9547U4F
I have found the information that I was hoping to find at the above link. I used the model number at http://www.ibm.com .

It shows that the audio is ES1688. I tried to to install the drivers for this chipset but it indicated it could was an ED1688 chipset. Could the audio chipset be damaged therefore undetectable by the driver and usable by OS/2?



Hi,

well I don't know. Basically, there's always a chance of a file getting corrupted during download but I guess it's not necessary to worry about differences in hardware ID "strings" that are contained in configuration files, as manufacturers sometimes are too lazy to check what is contained in the template file they used from somewhere else.

I checked the TP support downloads, the DDPak dowloads and the files from ESS technology:
- DDPak and TP support use a driver called "es1688dd.sys" which is version 1.0.4. from 18-Apr-1996
- Ess technology provides a file called "208a.zip" which contains a driver called SP32.SYS that states version 2.0.8 dated 12-Feb-1997.
Result: You should go for the ESS technology driver

For the remaining steps, here's my suggestion:
1) Basically, the driver installation should work and you should have ONE entry referring to a ".SYS" audio driver in your config.sys.
2) It won't hurt to check manually if there's another driver line left by some error in config.sys and remove it in this case.
3) If the driver loads but you have problems getting sound output in Warp later on, it might be related to unremoved old entries in MMPM2.INI or some kind of similar problems... let us know how far you'll get in installing the driver...

Greetings (and again: good luck!)
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  28 Jun, 2004 on 19:39
" exception in device driver: ES16881$ " is what I received after installing the OS/2 drivers for Thinkpad 9547-U4F model 760EL. It has happened before. It is the reason I am looking for a program to detect the hardware. I used the PCI 'sniffer' program from http://hobbes.nmsu.edu but it did not see it. Could it be malfunctioning/damaged therefore causing the driver to 'crash' the computer?

" The system detected an internal processing error at location ##0168:fff1f322 - 000e:c322.

0586052c "

I am at work but the utility diskettes are at home (forgot to put them in the computer case ).

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Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  28 Jun, 2004 on 20:29

BigWarpGuy (28 Jun, 2004 19:39):
" exception in device driver: ES16881$ " is what I received after installing the OS/2 drivers for Thinkpad 9547-U4F model 760EL. It has happened before. It is the reason I am looking for a program to detect the hardware. I used the PCI 'sniffer' program from http://hobbes.nmsu.edu but it did not see it. Could it be malfunctioning/damaged therefore causing the driver to 'crash' the computer?

Hi,

well that's possible of course, but I don't really think that it's the case... it rather seems like some kind of resource allocation problem or simply the "wrong" driver...
Does that happen with the IBM drivers or the ESS drivers (or both) ?
BTW: The PCI sniffer cannot detect the soundcard because it's an ISA model not a PCI model.

It might be worth checking the Notebook/2 site if there's somebody who tested the TP 760EL and left his email adress. This way, we might be able to talk to someone who runs Warp on the same machine and ask him if he's having troubles as well or if he rather uses a different parameter set in config.sys for example... I'll try checking this.

Greetings
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  davidfor
Date  :  29 Jun, 2004 on 02:27

BigWarpGuy (28 Jun, 2004 19:39):
" exception in device driver: ES16881$ " is what I received after installing the OS/2 drivers for Thinkpad 9547-U4F model 760EL. It has happened before. It is the reason I am looking for a program to detect the hardware. I used the PCI 'sniffer' program from http://hobbes.nmsu.edu but it did not see it. Could it be malfunctioning/damaged therefore causing the driver to 'crash' the computer?

" The system detected an internal processing error at location ##0168:fff1f322 - 000e:c322.

0586052c "


This sounds familiar. What level of OS/2 are you using? ie. Warp 4 with what Fixpack, or eCS 1.0 or 1.1, or MCP 1, 2 or 3. I remember an error very similar to this with ESS sound cards and going past a particular Warp4 fixpack. And, it's likely that any OS/2 level past that would have the same problem. The solution was to get a different version of the driver. Hopefully, the 2.08 version that was mentioned will work.

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Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  29 Jun, 2004 on 04:46
I had tried installing eCS 1.1 but could not get it past the first diskette. I was able to get Warp ver 4 installed. I was also able to install Fixpak 15 using WarpUp. IIRC - was able to install mutimedia support. It seems to crash if I used the universal audio driver or the OS/2 driver that is at http://www.ibm.com for this model ( IIRC - it is the ESS1688 - according to the information from IBM web site for this model - 9547-U4F).

I wil check out http://www.os2warp.be but I don't remember seeing anything on it but I might have missed it.

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Subject  :  Re: Your topic is changing ...
Author  :  icebear
Date  :  29 Jun, 2004 on 08:13
... but regarding your sound problems:

Why don't you use UNIAUD

UNIAUD for Sound is somwhat to compare with SNAP for Graphics !!!


Subject  :  Re: Your topic is changing ...
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  29 Jun, 2004 on 14:01

sam (29 Jun, 2004 08:13):
... but regarding your sound problems:

Why don't you use UNIAUD

UNIAUD for Sound is somwhat to compare with SNAP for Graphics !!!


Sam,

as BigWarpGuy already stated above, he tried UNIAUD and it didn't work.

And that's no surprise, beause UNIAUD (unlike SNAP for graphics cards) does not support "older" models - especially ISA bus models are NOT supported.
And the ESS 1688 definitely is an ISA model. That's also the reason why it doesn't show up on PCI sniffer...

BTW: Current list of UNIAUD supported sound cards is here:
http://os2.kiev.ua/en/uniaud.cards.php

And still I want to know if BigWarpGuy has finally tried the 2.0.8 drivers from ESS technology!!!

Greetings
Thomas


Subject  :  Re: Your topic is changing ...
Author  :  davidfor
Date  :  30 Jun, 2004 on 01:40

warpcafe (29 Jun, 2004 14:01):
BTW: Current list of UNIAUD supported sound cards is here:
http://os2.kiev.ua/en/uniaud.cards.php

That list is out of date. There's an updaed list in the latest release version. There are also test versions that have even more support, but, I don't know of a list of additional chips in these. You would have to look at the UNIAUD support forum for details.

But, as you said, this doesn't help BigWarpGuy, because UNIAUD doesn't support ISA sound chip.

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Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  30 Jun, 2004 on 19:33
I think there was a conflict of drivers plus I was installing the ESS1688 incorrectly. The sound chips do work since I installed Win95 on it and there is sound (I installed it to try ReactOS on it). Eventually I will put Warp ver 4 back on it but with sound (since I think I know what I did wrong).

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Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  01 Jul, 2004 on 12:04

BigWarpGuy (30 Jun, 2004 19:33):
Eventually I will put Warp ver 4 back on it but with sound (since I think I know what I did wrong).

Hi

that's good. Seems like we were able to help you at least...

I was thinking about the fact that your machine is a notebook, not a desktop and thought that the card&socket services for OS/2 might be grabbing a certain i/o adress which the sound drivers migth rely upon (e.g. 330h)... but anyway - if ever you put Warp back on the machine and you're having troubles with the sound: Let us know!

Greetings
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:HardWare Detect?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  01 Jul, 2004 on 15:45
Thanks for the help. It is just a matter of time till I put OS/2 Warp ver 4 back on my Thinkpad 760EL. With Win95 on it, I know that the sound does work. I am trying ReactOS on it, too (with Win95 as the base for it). Once I install Warp ver 4 back on it, I will let everyone know how it does or does not work with the audio drivers.

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