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Subject  :  Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  02 Jul, 2006 on 22:54
Are there any affordable color laser printers that work with eComStation? Are there any recomendations?
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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  abwillis abwillis1@gmail.com
Date  :  06 Jul, 2006 on 21:15
Unfortunately I can't answer the question but as I am wanting an answer myself for this I want to reply to bump this back up on the initial home page.

Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  drowelf drowelf@vnet.net
Date  :  11 Jul, 2006 on 05:34

BigWarpGuy (02 Jul, 2006 22:54):
Are there any affordable color laser printers that work with eComStation? Are there any recomendations?

Whats your definition of affordable?

I bought a HP 2550L New in the Box at eBay for $350 about a year ago. They can be had at this time for about $150. If prints very nice. I use the HP 4550 drivers and have not encountered any printing problems at all. The only thing I dread is buying the next set of toner carts, which will run about $250 for all 4.

cheers,


Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  11 Jul, 2006 on 14:04
Initially I was referring to the intiail cost when purchasing it; below $500. With the cost of toner cartridges, what one saves initially one spends in the long run. With the cost of toner cartridges. perhaps the printer companies could (almost) give away their printers and make money from selling cartridges(?).

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  drowelf drowelf@vnet.net
Date  :  12 Jul, 2006 on 06:15

BigWarpGuy (11 Jul, 2006 14:04):
Initially I was referring to the intiail cost when purchasing it; below $500. With the cost of toner cartridges, what one saves initially one spends in the long run. With the cost of toner cartridges. perhaps the printer companies could (almost) give away their printers and make money from selling cartridges(?).

I believe that printers, especially low end inkjet, have been moving to the razor blade marketting model for years. Since they actually have some value, they just can't justify giving them away, but its darn close. I was shopping for an inexpensive color inkjet printer about 3 years ago. I came across a LexMark for $25, but on reading the box I found that it came with NO Ink. Walked across the store to the ink section and found out that 1 b/w and 1 color would add another $75 to the price. I bought an HP instead for $80 cause it came with ink.


Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Kim
Date  :  12 Jul, 2006 on 14:19
Well, prices has gone down and here in Sweden one can get the HP 2600N for around 450 USD - so guess that you guys in the states can take off 100 USD. But, then there is the toner costs; 1 black (2500 pages) and 3 colours (2000 pages) that gives a total toner cost around 400 USD. So that gives around 20 cent per page + paper cost.

I'm currently using 2 HP Business Deskjet 2800 A3 printers (ink) to print lots of printing material in low volumes (meaning that it would be to expensice to use a print shop). But to well over half of the cost as of the HP 2600N. But, it all comes down to what you expect to use the printer for. But, I would think that I will in the near future get a colour laser as well; but for now I haven't really any use for it since I've print mostly lots of black and white documents (using HP 1320).


Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Roland junker@despamhydrografix.com
Date  :  12 Jul, 2006 on 18:05
I bought a Lexmark C522 for about 420,- euros

Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  12 Jul, 2006 on 19:53
420 Euros equal 533.083 USDollars.

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  abwillis abwillis1@gmail.com
Date  :  12 Jul, 2006 on 22:42
The problem I have is that I print very, very rarely. I have never used up an inkjet cartridge... they are mostly full when they dry out to the point that when I next try to use it I can seldom even soak them and get another print out of them. I am looking at laser hoping that it will be less likely to dry out on me. That also means, however, that the initial cost for so few prints will be a huge impact on the total cost of prints. If I can get a multifunction (which I have seen some around 150 US but no driver that would work on OS/2) where I could use it as a copier, fax, scanner, and printer would make the cost more affordable.
Andy

Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Gary
Date  :  15 Jul, 2006 on 03:06

BigWarpGuy (02 Jul, 2006 22:54):
Are there any affordable color laser printers that work with eComStation? Are there any recomendations?

Good evening!

I recently a purchased a Dell 3100cn. It is an above average printer when used with eCS.

I evaluated the following printers that supported Postscript or PCL:

Brother HL-2700CN
Dell 3100cn
Lexmark C510
Minolta 2450
OkidataC5400
Samsung CLP-550

My priorities were initial cost, cost of consumables, duplexing, and a 500 sheet paper tray. Only the Dell and Samsung had the best combination of costs for these items. I selected the Dell because the Samsung's integrated duplexer was offset by the high cost of consumables (toner, fuser, waste tank, photo/transfer unit).

The only drawbacks to the Dell during setup and use are:

The PPD file must be modified to include a Job Control Language
section.

The Accept button on the display must be pressed twice whenever
the manual paper feed is used.

The paper guides on the manual paper feed must be adjusted when
switching between paper and envelopes because the form must be
centered on the feed tray.

Currently, you can purchase a factory refurbished 3100cn with a one year warranty from the Dell Outlet for $300.00 U.S. I recommend an upgrade to the 64Mb memory if you intend to print any color images at the high quality setting. Kingston and Crucial both sell memory modules for this printer.

Have a safe and joyous day!
Gary Drag

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  15 Jul, 2006 on 14:52
"My priorities were initial cost, cost of consumables, duplexing, and a 500 sheet paper tray."

What if one did not need the above? (duplexing or a 500 sheet tray). Which one would be recomended?

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Gary
Date  :  15 Jul, 2006 on 19:07

BigWarpGuy (15 Jul, 2006 14:52):
"My priorities were initial cost, cost of consumables, duplexing, and a 500 sheet paper tray."

What if one did not need the above? (duplexing or a 500 sheet tray). Which one would be recomended?



Good morning!

I really can't answer that question since the issues of size, consumables, location of the manual feed slot, how trays are loaded, etc. will be unique to your requirements.

Here is list of color printers, with approximate costs, that I evaluated:


Brother Dell Lexmark Minolta Okidata Samsung
HL-2700CN 3100CN C510 2450 C5400 CLP550

Base $460 $400 $430 $642 $800 $559

Duplex 782 300 565 369 295 Included
unit

500 439 230 424 277 430 278
sheet
tray

Black .013 .011 .016 .018 .008 .013
per pg. /.019

Color .019 .024 .030 .027 .023 .021
per pg. /.035 /.045

Drum 170 138 84 x 4
# of (42K) (45K (15K)
pages /12K)

Fuser 423 225 140 140
(60K) (51K) (50K
/12K)

Waste 10 5 19
tank (12K) (12K) (12K
/3K)

Photo / 369 196 199 140
transfer (60K) (40K) (50K
unit /12K)

The prices were collected about 6 months ago using the best prices available from the Manufacturer, Pricewatch.com, or Epinions.com. Dual per page costs have been listed where per page cost is dependent on the size of the consumable. The dual per page counts, such as 50K/12K, are listed where the use of the item, such as a fuser, is dependent on whether you are using black or color in the prints. I was unable to find any page counts for the Okidata fuser and photo units.

I have read postings that the Brother, Okidata, and Samsung units have been successfully used with eCS or OS/2. The HP 2605 Color Laser and 2820 All In One Color Laser are also supposed to support PC6 and Postscript.

I also recommend that you read any available reviews on the printers from CNet.com http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-3155_7-0.html?filter=500172_3809665_500428_31975_&tag=dffl3_1, ZDNet.com http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/4566-3159_16-0.html?tag=ont-peri, Epinions.com http://www.epinions.com/Printers--reviews--laser___led--prices--color_printer, etc.

Have a joyous day!
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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  16 Jul, 2006 on 22:27
Thank you for the information.

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  17 Jul, 2006 on 15:05

Gary (15 Jul, 2006 03:06):
I evaluated the following printers that supported Postscript or PCL:
...
Samsung CLP-550
...

Gary,

out of personal interest - where did you find the information that the Samsung printer supports these languages? AFAIK, it comes with a "proprietary control language"... I was unable to get more information about it.
I just want to make sure it can be attached to a Warp machine and has a driver in the OMNI, LJ or PS driver pack that can be used with it...

TIA
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Gary
Date  :  17 Jul, 2006 on 18:50

warpcafe (17 Jul, 2006 15:05):
Gary,

out of personal interest - where did you find the information that the Samsung printer supports these languages? AFAIK, it comes with a "proprietary control language"... I was unable to get more information about it.
I just want to make sure it can be attached to a Warp machine and has a driver in the OMNI, LJ or PS driver pack that can be used with it...

TIA
Thomas


Thomas,

The following link provides a list of specifications for the CLP-550. The language options are PCL6 and Postscript 3:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/PrinterandMultifunction/DiscontinuedProducts/CLP_550XAA.asp?page=Specifications

For the newer Samsung printers, only the CLP-650 supports PCL6 or Postscript 3. The link to the specifications is:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/PrinterandMultifunction/ColorLaserPrinters/CLP_650NXAA.asp?page=Specifications

You should be able to use either printer as long as you can extract the PPD file from the Windows, Mac, or Linux installations.

Have a joyous day!
Gary Drag

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Gary
Date  :  19 Jul, 2006 on 02:03

BigWarpGuy (16 Jul, 2006 22:27):
Thank you for the information.

Good evening!

Please contact me if you decide on the Dell 3100cn. I can provide the corrected PPD file and the revised Postscript driver that includes that PPD file.

Have a joyous day!
Gary Drag

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  warpcafe warpcafe@yahoo.de
Date  :  19 Jul, 2006 on 09:43

Gary (17 Jul, 2006 18:50):
Thomas,

The following link provides a list of specifications for the CLP-550. The language options are PCL6 and Postscript 3:


Gary,

thanks a lot for the information. However, I seem to have mixed up things here: I was in search of information about the Samsung CLP510 (!) and didn't notice you were talking about the 550/560 series. Oops - I'm sorry.

Anyway, thanks again for the info!
Thomas


Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  19 Jul, 2006 on 14:28

Gary (19 Jul, 2006 02:03):

BigWarpGuy (16 Jul, 2006 22:27):
Thank you for the information.

Good evening!

Please contact me if you decide on the Dell 3100cn. I can provide the corrected PPD file and the revised Postscript driver that includes that PPD file.

Have a joyous day!
Gary Drag

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If I decide on that model printer, I will do so. Your help is appreciated. Thank you.


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Subject  :  HP LaserJet and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  23 Aug, 2006 on 02:17
I am checking out the HP LaserJet 1600. Would it work with eCS?

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  27 Aug, 2006 on 01:39

Gary (15 Jul, 2006 03:06):

BigWarpGuy (02 Jul, 2006 22:54):
Are there any affordable color laser printers that work with eComStation? Are there any recomendations?

Good evening!

I recently a purchased a Dell 3100cn. It is an above average printer when used with eCS.

I evaluated the following printers that supported Postscript or PCL:

Brother HL-2700CN
Dell 3100cn
Lexmark C510
Minolta 2450
OkidataC5400
Samsung CLP-550

My priorities were initial cost, cost of consumables, duplexing, and a 500 sheet paper tray. Only the Dell and Samsung had the best combination of costs for these items. I selected the Dell because the Samsung's integrated duplexer was offset by the high cost of consumables (toner, fuser, waste tank, photo/transfer unit).

The only drawbacks to the Dell during setup and use are:

The PPD file must be modified to include a Job Control Language
section.

The Accept button on the display must be pressed twice whenever
the manual paper feed is used.

The paper guides on the manual paper feed must be adjusted when
switching between paper and envelopes because the form must be
centered on the feed tray.

Currently, you can purchase a factory refurbished 3100cn with a one year warranty from the Dell Outlet for $300.00 U.S. I recommend an upgrade to the 64Mb memory if you intend to print any color images at the high quality setting. Kingston and Crucial both sell memory modules for this printer.

Have a safe and joyous day!
Gary Drag

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http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/print_3110cn?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  27 Aug, 2006 on 01:51

BigWarpGuy (27 Aug, 2006 01:39):

Gary (15 Jul, 2006 03:06):

BigWarpGuy (02 Jul, 2006 22:54):
Are there any affordable color laser printers that work with eComStation? Are there any recomendations?

Good evening!

I recently a purchased a Dell 3100cn. It is an above average printer when used with eCS.

I evaluated the following printers that supported Postscript or PCL:

Brother HL-2700CN
http://www.brother.ca/en/products/description.asp?Prodid=1185&features=on
Dell 3100cn
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/print_3110cn?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
Lexmark C510
http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/product/home/899/0,6970,204816596_653293787_239082371_en_0_1,00.html
discontinued
Lexmark C50N?
http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/product/home/435/0,6970,204816596_653293763_728193459_en_0_1,00.html
Minolta 2450 - Konica Minolta
http://printer.konicaminolta.com/products/color/index.asp
OkidataC5400
Okidata C5500?
http://www.okidata.com/mkt/html/nf/c5500nhome.html
Samsung CLP-550
Samsung CLP-650?
http://www.samsung.com/Products/PrinterandMultifunction/ColorLaserPrinters/CLP_650NXAA.asp

My priorities were initial cost, cost of consumables, duplexing, and a 500 sheet paper tray. Only the Dell and Samsung had the best combination of costs for these items. I selected the Dell because the Samsung's integrated duplexer was offset by the high cost of consumables (toner, fuser, waste tank, photo/transfer unit).

The only drawbacks to the Dell during setup and use are:

The PPD file must be modified to include a Job Control Language
section.

The Accept button on the display must be pressed twice whenever
the manual paper feed is used.

The paper guides on the manual paper feed must be adjusted when
switching between paper and envelopes because the form must be
centered on the feed tray.

Currently, you can purchase a factory refurbished 3100cn with a one year warranty from the Dell Outlet for $300.00 U.S. I recommend an upgrade to the 64Mb memory if you intend to print any color images at the high quality setting. Kingston and Crucial both sell memory modules for this printer.

Have a safe and joyous day!
Gary Drag

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http:www.prairie-smoke.org


http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/print_3110cn?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs[/quote]

Product links listed above. Somer were no longer on the site but there are others that seem to be close. Could the ones (with a question mark) be used with OS/2 - eCS?

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Eirik
Date  :  03 Sep, 2006 on 21:30
Thanks to Gary for the note on the Dell 3100cn color laser. There are, however, no link for the printer driver. Please provide a link, or enclose your own adapted driver (there are quite many who have bought this printer, and info. on how to get it to work under eCS will be appreciated.

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  03 Sep, 2006 on 23:56
I don't think Dell makes the printer. Perhaps if you find who makes it, one can find the driver for it?

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Eirik
Date  :  09 Sep, 2006 on 02:28
Big Warp Guy,

thanks for the tip. I tried some of the drivers that are currently shipped under OS/2, and found that the Lexmact C720 driver works reasonably well. Most PDF files, those Lotus FreeLance Graphics, and Open Office (1.15) files I tested printed fine.

Not a perfect driver, but for most parts it gets the job done.

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  BigWarpGuy
Date  :  11 Sep, 2006 on 02:13
That is good. Now to get my CLJ 1600 to work with eCS.

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Subject  :  Re:Affordable Color Laser Printer(s) and eCS?
Author  :  Gary
Date  :  02 Oct, 2006 on 11:58

Eirik (03 Sep, 2006 21:30):
Thanks to Gary for the note on the Dell 3100cn color laser. There are, however, no link for the printer driver. Please provide a link, or enclose your own adapted driver (there are quite many who have bought this printer, and info. on how to get it to work under eCS will be appreciated.

Eirik,

I apologize for the late reply. School has started and I am swamped. I have attached the PPD file that I use for the Dell 3100cn.

Have a joyous day!
Gary


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