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Subject  :  Warp 3.0 Blue on modern computer?
Author  :  rjp rjpugh@comcast.net
Date  :  31 Aug, 2006 on 21:18
Greetings, OS/2 fans.

I'm thinking of pulling my copy of Warp 3.0 out of mothballs, and adding it to my multi-boot computer. I'll mostly be using it for legacy software. I remember Warp being prone to hiss-fits over partitions and such, so I'm wondering:

1. Will the install CD-Rom get upset if it's in a DVD-Rom drive? I've never encountered a CD-based app getting upset over being in a DVD drive, but there's a first time for everything and I wanted to be sure.

2. Will Warp get upset if it's installed on a slave drive? My IDE array has three of the four ports filled. The last port - secondary slave - is available, and I'm planning to put an older, small hard drive (3.5 gigs I think) in that port to hold Warp. Will setup permit this?

3. The hard drives on IDE port 0 and port 2 are far larger than anything Warp was designed to handle (port 1 has the DVD drive). I know that Warp's fdisk utility won't be able to handle those discs, but so long as the drive in port 3 is an acceptable size, will it install correctly to that drive? Or, will the presence of those large drives cause the instillation to balk? My system's boot manager is Linux GRUB, and I'm ultimately plannign to script it so that OS/2 ignores drives 0 and 2 when it boots. Ergo, I'm only concerned about the initial setup and install.

I'm sure I'll have other questions in time, but that covers my initial concerns.

Thanks in advance,

RJP


Subject  :  Re:Warp 3.0 Blue on modern computer?
Author  :  obiwan
Date  :  31 Aug, 2006 on 22:44

rjp (31 Aug, 2006 21:1:

1. Will the install CD-Rom get upset if it's in a DVD-Rom drive? I've never encountered a CD-based app getting upset over being in a DVD drive, but there's a first time for everything and I wanted to be sure.


Yes but not because it's a DVD drive, rather because it is an IDE drive. Warp 3 did not ship with support for ATAPI drives, so you'll want to install the ATAPI driver on your boot floppies.

Edit: See Fahrvenugen's instructions for that below.


2. Will Warp get upset if it's installed on a slave drive? My IDE array has three of the four ports filled. The last port - secondary slave - is available, and I'm planning to put an older, small hard drive (3.5 gigs I think) in that port to hold Warp. Will setup permit this?

That is covered in the manual included with Warp. I'm not sure whether you can do that. IIRC I don't think OS/2 has to be on the primary master drive, but I don't know how many controllers it will recognize. To answer that I would go to the book, but you have a copy too, so...


3. The hard drives on IDE port 0 and port 2 are far larger than anything Warp was designed to handle (port 1 has the DVD drive). I know that Warp's fdisk utility won't be able to handle those discs, but so long as the drive in port 3 is an acceptable size, will it install correctly to that drive? Or, will the presence of those large drives cause the instillation to balk? My system's boot manager is Linux GRUB, and I'm ultimately plannign to script it so that OS/2 ignores drives 0 and 2 when it boots. Ergo, I'm only concerned about the initial setup and install.

Shouldn't be a problem. OS/2 will just think they are as big as its size limit. Just don't fdisk them. Also I believe once the latest fixpaks are applied it should recognize their size correctly.

I'm not sure what you mean by scripting it to ignore them. The OS/2 boot manager does that by modifying the partition table to make its partitions "hidden primary partitions" which (IMHO) doesn't sound like a good idea when you want OS/2 to leave those drives alone, and particularly won't work if they are non-OS/2-compatible partition types like Linux. OS/2 doesn't care whether its system partition is C: or D: or L: or whatever, so the safest thing might be to just make sure your drive layout is how you want so it letters everything in order, and let it install to the drive letter corresponding to the one you intend.

Edit: If you mean using GRUB's hide command to ignore the first drives, I don't think that will work.


I'm sure I'll have other questions in time, but that covers my initial concerns.

Thanks in advance,

RJP


If your hardware ends up being too much of a hassle, Warp 3 runs well in QEMU, which might just suit your purpose.

Hope that helps.

P.S. Back up your system first.


Subject  :  Re:Warp 3.0 Blue on modern computer?
Author  :  Fahrvenugen
Date  :  01 Sep, 2006 on 01:17
You'll have fun getting things to work, but it should be possible.

For Question 1, yes - OS/2 Warp 3 Blue can install off a DVD drive. *But* you'll probably need to update your install disks. Especially the disks which shipped with Warp 3 Blue - even though they were set up to recognize CD Rom drives, they were picky. But once you create an updated install disk, you should be okay. The files you'll need to update on Disk 1 can be found in:

ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/os2ddpak_cur/idedasd.exe

And instructions for how to create enough space on Disk 1 can be foudn at:

http://www7.software.ibm.com/2bcprod.nsf/186d96ebef23e6438625689c007ac1ef/6330f82fce1de4998625669b0059c153?OpenDocument

Also, a set of updated install disks will allow OS/2 to properly recognize the sizes of all your hard disks. *however*... my next point...

Question 2. OS/2 can be installed on any drive, however for Warp 3 Blue, it needs to be installed on a partition that exists within the first 1024 cylinders of the drive (I think that is correct, check the manual to confirm) or else it won't boot. So you may have to partition that 3.5 Gig drive into somehting like 1 Gig primary, and 2.5 Gig extended logical. When OS/2 is actually booted this will give you a C and D drive, but that's no big deal.

Second part of the Question 2 answer, I believe that once Warp 3 is installed, you should be able to use a Linux boot manager (although I've never tried this) to get it to boot, (I know I've installed Warp on a partition other then a primary drive, primary partition before using IBM's boot manager) however the installer might not like installing this way (the installer is pickier then the OS is). You may have to (just to get the thing installed) set up your computer temporarily with that drive as a primary master and your DVD drive (nothing else plugged into your IDE channels). Then once it is up and running, switch things around and add that drive's partition to your Linux boot manager. I *think* this should work, but I've never tried it.

Question 3. Once you get Warp up and running, install the OS/2 Warp 3 Fixpak 40, and then update (replace) your IBM1S506.add with the DANIS506.add driver from Hobbes:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/

Just search for DANIS506. This will recognize the other drives and their proper size, also it will allow for your 3.5 Gig to be properly recognized (in case the base IBM1S506 driver only sees the 1 Gig partition created for install), plus it offers a much faster access to the drive then the IBM driver.

Don't touch any of your Linux partitions with OS/2's fdisk, as I have no clue what will happen.

There are some other hints on installing Warp 3 on a modern system in the thread:

http://www.os2world.com/cgi-bin/ultraboard/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=62&TID=834&SID=jEZfDfp4FYY8aPhp

There's also a thread where I posted a long message about how to go about updating OS/2 Warp 4 once you have a system up and running. The information is almost identical for Warp 3, so you might want to read through that:

http://www.os2world.com/cgi-bin/ultraboard/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=62&TID=1102&P=1&SID=jEZfDfp4FYY8aPhp#ID16

Hope this helps


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