OS2 World.Com Forum

Subject  :  OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  Rekax
Date  :  03 Apr, 2007 on 19:41
Hi guys. I have this problem: I have OS/2 Warp 4 as 1 zip file on my HD.(i downloadad it that way, so i haven`t OS2 install cd)i unpacked it and i made 3 bootup floppies. After system is started from all of them, it says: Please insert disk 3(4). So i cant make disk #3(4) because its 1.79mb and cant be imaged to a floppy with Winimage.
So i want to start my installation from hard disk, but how can i tell to my pc to not ask for the 3rd floppy disk, and to go straight with the 3rd disk which is image on my hd(disk3.dsk)?
I`ll be glad if someone try to help me. I really want to try OS2. My pc is P166mhz with 16mb RAM , HDD 3.2GB.

Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  obiwan
Date  :  03 Apr, 2007 on 20:09
It asks for Disk 3 because it needs it in order to read the CD, there is no way to skip it.

IIRC the DOS util for writing the floppies is on the CD, along with the images. If not it can surely be found on Hobbes. That is one option.

Another option is to create a bootable CD. You could even put all the Fixpaks on it. Of the various utilities, UpdCD is the only one I know that can be used in Windows to create the CD.

Of course the easiest thing is to buy eComStation. The time required for any installation method of the older OS/2 versions justifies the price IMHO.


Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  Rekax
Date  :  03 Apr, 2007 on 21:12
Thanks obiwan for ur reply. Ok so i need further help now: pls tell me should i put all that .DSK images as they are on a CD or i need to extract them with winimage on the CD making folders for every .dsk file? Sry to bother, i am completly new to OS2, but i need to know how to make Install CD from all that .dsk files. Thanks again.

Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  obiwan
Date  :  03 Apr, 2007 on 22:03
Been a while since I read the docs on UpdCD. I could read them and type them out here, or you could just read them at the link I gave.

Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  Rekax
Date  :  03 Apr, 2007 on 22:29
Hehe, thanks, you dont need to paste the documentation here because i am reading it at this moment. Thanks a lot for your help. I guess i can handle it without any help from now on.

Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  obiwan
Date  :  03 Apr, 2007 on 23:26
Don't let me discourage you from asking for help. If you get stuck, or even if it works, come back and let us know.

I think it's safe to say most everyone here wants more people to use OS/2. Trying to help is what it's about.

Also, others have had similar situations in the past. You can find some information by using the search feature of the Forums.


Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  Rekax
Date  :  03 Apr, 2007 on 23:43
Well yeah i want to try os2, but i wonder why just simply they didnt make some setup program for easy install from the hard disk. And sure, i`ll let u know what have i done, but it seems very messy for me to do it...I was wondering is there any way to bootup from that 3 floppies from FDD and proceed the installation only from hard disk...without using the cdrom.
and...thanks again.

Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  obiwan
Date  :  04 Apr, 2007 on 01:33
Oh I see what you are saying. Come to think of it there is no Disk 3(4) with the Warp 4 distribution is there?

Probably someone else knows better how to help. I might in this case look at the README about the CID install, seems to me it might be relevant to installing from the hard drive.

UpdCD might be a lot of work, but if you manage to do it in the end you'll have a nice installer.

Good luck.


Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  cyberspittle cyberspittle@yahoo.com
Date  :  04 Apr, 2007 on 03:40
UpCD works from Windows to create updated bootable CD-ROM via a Windows operating system? I can't find it. Yes, OS/2 Warp 4 did have 3 floppies. There is an installation floppy, floppy 1, and floppy. As to the install, from hard drive, I have done that. One must remember the time period that OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 are from. Hard drives were much smaller. However it can be done, as there is also a network-based install. I would recommend Googling for CID or check out IBM Redbooks for info on OS/2 (if IBM hasn't pulled them).

Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  RobertM
Date  :  04 Apr, 2007 on 04:19

cyberspittle (04 Apr, 2007 03:40):
UpCD works from Windows to create updated bootable CD-ROM via a Windows operating system? I can't find it. Yes, OS/2 Warp 4 did have 3 floppies. There is an installation floppy, floppy 1, and floppy. As to the install, from hard drive, I have done that. One must remember the time period that OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 are from. Hard drives were much smaller. However it can be done, as there is also a network-based install. I would recommend Googling for CID or check out IBM Redbooks for info on OS/2 (if IBM hasn't pulled them).

You are all correct. There is no (floppy) Disk 3. There are 3 floppies. They are Disk 0, Disk 1 and Disk 2 which are labelled Install (or Boot - forget which), Disk 1 and Disk 2 if memory serves (remember, this is /\nal retentive IBM - so of course they start numbering from 0).

There is a way to use (the virtual) Disk 3 and up from the hard drive instead of from the CD-ROM for installation. I dont recall how, but it is in the OS/2 documentation or elsewhere on the web (EDM/2 perhaps?) You need to change something in the Config.sys file if I recall correctly (which assigns the installation source). There is a parameter that can be used or set after install so that any time OS/2 needs to read files from the CD-ROM, it will check the appropriate hard drive directory as if it was the CD ROM. I did this a very long time ago and dont remember how... hopefully you can find the instructions I found online or someone else can be of more assistance...

-Robert


Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  El Vato
Date  :  04 Apr, 2007 on 08:34

Rekax (03 Apr, 2007 19:41):
Hi guys. I have this problem: I have OS/2 Warp 4 as 1 zip file on my HD.(i downloadad it that way, so i haven`t OS2 install cd)i unpacked it and i made 3 bootup floppies. After system is started from all of them, it says: Please insert disk 3(4). So i cant make disk #3(4) because its 1.79mb and cant be imaged to a floppy with Winimage.

You obviously used your WinXX utility to image diskimgs/os2/35/disk1.dsk (see red dot) and NOT diskimgs/os2/35/disk1_cd.dsk.

The latter wil prompt you for your OS/2 Warp 4 CD-media after diskette 2 (starting at installation diskette zero); the former will prompt you for the next diskette which your WinXX utility is unable to perform an image onto a diskette, naturally, because of the eXtended Density Format (XDF) used by IBM to compress data.

Had you used the MAKEDSKS.BAT utility to make your diskettes the XDF stuff would have been taken care of automatically --provided you had 35+ diskettes to install your OS/2 Warp 4, of course.

Now, the above technicalities behind, note in your hard disk the directory named OS2IMAGE. After you note were that directory is located and know the partition drive letter where it resides, proceed to edit your diskette 1 CONFIG.SYS.

Assuming, for illustration purposes, that the partition where OS2IMAGE resides is D:, edit the diskette 1 CONFIG.SYS in a text editor (NOT word processor)
first by locating the line that states:

SET OS2_SHELL=SYSINST2.EXE

and change it to:

SET OS2_SHELL=SYSINST2.EXE D:\OS2IMAGE

again, assuming your OS2IMAGE directory is at drive and/or partition D: but please replace the drive and/or directory of diskette images to that were those actually reside in your hard disk.

Save your changes to your diskette 1 CONFIG.SYS and insert your diskette 0 to bootstrap your OS/2 Warp 4 installation --you should be able to install from your hard disk.


Optional installation from CD-media:

If you were to burn the OS/2 hard drive image onto a CD-media, create only three(3) diskettes to bootstrap your OS/2 installation BUT direct your WinXX imaging utility to diskimgs/os2/35/disk1_cd.dsk instead of the diskimgs/os2/35/disk1.dsk.

Alternatively, you may use the utility CDINST.BAT to create the three bootstrapping diskettes for an CD-media installation.

Good luck !


Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  Rekax
Date  :  04 Apr, 2007 on 19:54
Thanks guys for your replays. OK i`ll give u better picture of my situation. My HDD is 3.2gb partitioned in 3 partitions.(C: fat16,D: fat16 and ext2 with linux installed.)So, i want to install my OS2 warp 4 on that C: partition. All that OS2 images are on D:, so i want to start my installation from D:. I`ll try to configure config.sys on floppy #1. And i`ll make folder d:\OS2Image. So my next question is: should i put all that .dsk files as are, in that folder, or should i use winimage to extract them in subfolders in D:\os2image folder? and if i need to extract them in subfolders, what would be the names of that subfolders? Sorry for bothering, and thanks again.

Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  obiwan
Date  :  04 Apr, 2007 on 21:26

cyberspittle (04 Apr, 2007 03:40):
UpCD works from Windows to create updated bootable CD-ROM via a Windows operating system?

Thanks for the correction. It cannot be used in Windows to create the updated CD. I remembered incorrectly. It is the only one that I know of that includes tools to get you started when all you have is Windows. That way you can do all the downloading and so on from Windows, make the CD from a maintenance environment created by UpdCD, and then install. The other tools, as far as I know, expect you to have a working OS/2 system, a chicken and egg game.


From the README.ENG in the download package:
2.2 Installation under Windows

UpdCD does not run under DOS or Windows. However, UpdCD can create an OS/2 maintenance environment under Windows which will enable you to build an updated CD-ROM. Unzip the distribution zip to a directory on a FAT32 or HPFS partition which is big enough to create an updated CD-ROM. Run the UpdCD BATCH program Mkdisks.Bat from the command prompt and follow the instructions on the screen. UpdCD will create 3 boot diskettes which will enable you to start your system and run UpdCD. The UpdCD maintenance system can only handle Warp 4 CD-ROM's at this time. UpdCD assumes during the creation of the maintenance system that
drive A: is an 1.44MB floppy drive.



Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  El Vato
Date  :  05 Apr, 2007 on 01:10

Rekax (04 Apr, 2007 19:54):
Thanks guys for your replays. OK i`ll give u better picture of my situation. My HDD is 3.2gb partitioned in 3 partitions.(C: fat16,D: fat16 and ext2 with linux installed.)So, i want to install my OS2 warp 4 on that C: partition. All that OS2 images are on D:, so i want to start my installation from D:. I`ll try to configure config.sys on floppy #1. And i`ll make folder d:\OS2Image. So my next question is: should i put all that .dsk files as are, in that folder, or should i use winimage to extract them in subfolders in D:\os2image folder? and if i need to extract them in subfolders, what would be the names of that subfolders? Sorry for bothering, and thanks again.

In a standard OS/2 CD-media data structure, the directory OS2IMAGE contains the exploded diskette images; hence you do not have to do anything (assuming that your download is/was complete) except modify your diskette 1 CONFIG.SYS

On the other hand, and referencing the JPG in my first post, the directory DISKIMGS (as its name implies) contains the XDF compressed floppies (those with a .dsk extension)

To install OS/2 Warp 4 (and/or Warp 3) from the hard disk, as pointed in my first post, the appropriate directive should be specified to point to the standard directory OS2IMAGE since the diskette images are already uncompressed.

If you do not have that directory, then you are best advised to buy an original OS/2 software distribution media.

Best regards.


Subject  :  Re:OS2 warp4 install from HD.
Author  :  cyberspittle cyberspittle@yahoo.com
Date  :  05 Apr, 2007 on 05:13
Hi Obiwan,

I guess there had been an update to UpCD since I last encountered it. Thanks!

I'll be more diligent in the future to check out the latest info (after all you had provided the URL -> ).


obiwan (04 Apr, 2007 21:26):

cyberspittle (04 Apr, 2007 03:40):
UpCD works from Windows to create updated bootable CD-ROM via a Windows operating system?

Thanks for the correction. It cannot be used in Windows to create the updated CD. I remembered incorrectly. It is the only one that I know of that includes tools to get you started when all you have is Windows. That way you can do all the downloading and so on from Windows, make the CD from a maintenance environment created by UpdCD, and then install. The other tools, as far as I know, expect you to have a working OS/2 system, a chicken and egg game.


From the README.ENG in the download package:
2.2 Installation under Windows

UpdCD does not run under DOS or Windows. However, UpdCD can create an OS/2 maintenance environment under Windows which will enable you to build an updated CD-ROM. Unzip the distribution zip to a directory on a FAT32 or HPFS partition which is big enough to create an updated CD-ROM. Run the UpdCD BATCH program Mkdisks.Bat from the command prompt and follow the instructions on the screen. UpdCD will create 3 boot diskettes which will enable you to start your system and run UpdCD. The UpdCD maintenance system can only handle Warp 4 CD-ROM's at this time. UpdCD assumes during the creation of the maintenance system that
drive A: is an 1.44MB floppy drive.




Powered by UltraBoard 2000 <www.ub2k.com>