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zionite
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1. Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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ReactOS is an Open Source effort to develop a quality operating system that is compatible with Windows NT applications and drivers.

Would OS2 and OS2 developers be able to re-use and benefit from the Open Source code for driver development for OS2 ?

More info about ReactOS.

Date: 03 Feb, 2003 on 14:09
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2. Re:Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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I wonder if ODIN at http://www.netlabs.org could benefit from the code from REACTOS?
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Date: 03 Feb, 2003 on 14:26
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3. Re:Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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... and what about osFree, would this project as well also be able to benefit ?
Date: 03 Feb, 2003 on 18:52
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4. Re:Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osfree
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeos

There seems to be little activity at either of these discussion groups (both about a clone of OS/2 but from different angles).

http://www.freeos.cjb.net is no longer in existence.

There has not been much updated at http://www.osfree.org (IIRC, no new files).

The closes thing to OSFree or FreeOS is Nudawn at http://sourceforge.net/projects/nudawn but there hasn't been any files there and little activity.

I will post your question at the top two discussion groups (hopefully will give an opnion [good or bad]).


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Date: 03 Feb, 2003 on 21:20
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5. Re:Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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I believe any time device drivers are open source (and functional) even if they can't be easily translated it is good for OS/2, because that means the information nessacary to write the driver is publicly available, but why does the OS/2 community feel this need to reuse other open source drivers, when almost all our drivers are already open source from ibm to be improved on, and we could take the time we spend waiting improving and creating new drivers for ourselves. Forget osfree.. forget freeos.. forget nudawn (which has to be a joke, lets run 32bit OS/2 applications on an XT (which it claims is a supported platform not that anyone really has a fully functional XT laying around). OS/2 is here, ECS is here.. and if we support the currently existing product.. it will be here to stay. So stop looking for alternatives (especially in vaporware) and start using OS/2 the way it can be.. ... that being said.. would someone PLEASE get scitech to include HW Accelerated OpenGL!
Date: 04 Feb, 2003 on 05:37
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6. Re:Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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I received this reply from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeos
"Just to avoid the feeling that you are
speaking to a black hole
I will offer something of a response. I
think the general
answer is "yes". We could benefit from
a number of things.
This is only one of many. We could also
benefit from looking
at discussing as a form of work, as a
form of doing something.

I would think that those who feel only
coding is doing have
long since departed from here. Unfortunately they managed
to paint the talkers negatively before leaving, in effect
closing off discussions. Having written an operating system in
1964 as well as participating in the writing of several others
around the same time, I got out of that mode with the
introduction of OS/360. I watched evolve from three
compatible forms (single task, multi-fixed tasks, and
multi-variable tasks) to its current MVS form. There has yet
to occur another operating system including all of the UNIX
variants altogether which can even come close.

Systems like that do not come cheap. Even a clone of OS/2
will not come cheap. How you design it will determine how
easily you can maintain it. It's obvious over its lifecycle that
its maintenance effort will exceed its development effort by
orders of magnitude. It was the cost maintaining OS/2 relative
to the value received from it that caused IBM to withdraw.

Open source has no different a people resource requirement
than closed source, except that with fulltime people you can
get the same amount of work done is less time than with
parttime. If you can't keep up with fulltime, if you can't
afford the people to keep it up, then you can expect even to
do less well with parttime. Having greater numbers of
parttime people makes the situation relative to project
management worse instead of better.

So until you can, one, afford to develop an OS/2 clone, and,
two, maintain it, then you save yourself considerable by
discussing it at length until you can do both. Otherwise you
are not simply treading water, but have the tide washing you
farther away.

REACTOS is written in C. That's not so much a crime as it is a
severe restriction. The crime lies in things like the emx
programming environment. C can't overcome those
deficiencies. As long as C is bound by unnecessary compiler
restrictions, then the open source community will have to
commit more people resources than closed source. This is one
instance where more is not better.

It is ridiculous, for example, in the age of fourth generation
languages to have to rely on beta testers for finding logical
errors in software. Then again C is not a fourth generation
language. Nor is C++. Nor JAVA. Nor Python. Nor Perl. Why
talk then of predicate logic in logic programming where the
software as part of its exhaustive true/false proof generates
the test data for every possible circumstance for all paths
within an application?

Instead of taking C on a horizontal path to another third
generation variant like C++ or JAVA, I'd rather see it go
vertically into a fourth generation form in which I can do less
and the software more. That's something we can do which
then make what we really want to do, sustain an OS/2 clone,
possible.

If you have any doubts, then follow the progress or lack of it
with REACTOS. "

I also posted it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osfree but have yet to receive a reply.


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Date: 04 Feb, 2003 on 16:20
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7. Re:Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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That has to be the most garbage I have ever seen anyone type in one message ever. I think none of these people can be taken seriously, we should just take whatever code which actually works from any of these projects and exploit it to the best of our abilities, but something tells me we would be better off trying to write a whole new OS/2 clone in basic then listen to anyone on these projects.
Date: 06 Feb, 2003 on 05:41
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8. Re:Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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This could explain why the http://www.freeos.cjb.net is no longer there and the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freeos has very little activity and http://www.osfree.org has little activity since last year.

There also seems to be little acitivity from http://sourceforge.net/projects/nudawn (I have left messages at their forum but it takes a while before anyone responds).


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Date: 06 Feb, 2003 on 15:55
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9. OS/2 Support with ReactOS!
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If one goes to http://www.reactos.com , there is mention of support for OS/2 as a 'subsystem'.
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Date: 27 Jan, 2004 on 20:08
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10. Re:Could OS2 benefit from ReactOS ?
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Kim (03 Feb, 2003 19:52):
... and what about osFree, would this project as well also be able to benefit ?

Odin is much further along than ROS so this is doubtful

Date: 28 Jan, 2004 on 20:41
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