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TeLLie

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2026, 11:54:03 am »
Hi

Ko ported meson..

Kind regards Tellie

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2026, 12:12:46 pm »
Thanks for the info, but it's just one example. And, don't get me started on IDEs ;-)

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2026, 03:59:13 pm »
Thanks for the info, but it's just one example. And, don't get me started on IDEs ;-)
Here maybe Dmitriys approach (SSH file sharing to OS/2 box if I understand it correct) may help. Or running OS/2 virtually in f.i. Linux. But until now I hate doing such. Of course you don't need a browser for OS/2 anymore when running within VBOX....

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2026, 04:56:34 pm »
For compiling large projects like Qt, having a stand alone box would help as you can have the minimal other stuff running to save memory. Likewise with a VBox instance, though I find that with VBox, multiple CPU's doesn't work too well. Running multiple jobs when building can really speed things up if you don't run out of memory. Some of this C++ code uses a lot of memory. I've seen compiling one file take a couple of GB's of memory and even hit my swap file with 3.4 GB's of visible memory when running multiple jobs.
Cross compiling from Linux would be best and in theory quite possible. Linux is way faster at compiling projects then OS/2. OTOH, OS/2 is quite a bit faster then Windows compiling this stuff where there is lots of forking of processes.

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2026, 08:44:11 am »
Alternative to MyPal:
http://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/

I use IceApe from there on XP. Less memory used than MyPal

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2026, 04:29:30 pm »
Hello

It is the first time I hear about IceApe. It is mentioned that IceApe is based in SeaMonkey.

Win32 - Version 1.8 : https://github.com/roytam1/iceape-uxp/tree/winbuild

I see references to Iceape 2.7  - https://user-agents.net/browsers/iceape/versions/2-7
But I can not found the source code.

I would need something with more knowledge on this area to know if IceApe is compilable under/for ArcaOS.

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2026, 04:41:22 pm »
It should compile on OS/2, it uses UXP, the Gecko fork that PaleMoon uses. PaleMoon itself should compile on OS/2 but it would take a lot of porting. We do have the widgets etc from Gecko (Firefox) but it would be quite a bit of work from someone knowledgeable. And that's the problem, an interested programmer with a lot of time.

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2026, 02:37:20 am »
Iceape= Seamonkey, Icedove= Email, Iceweasel= browser. Originally rebranded Mozilla by Debian Linux

 Source code:
https://mirror.cedia.org.ec/hyperbola/sources/other/

Windows version has updated security and javascript.  Should be able to compile for OS/2

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2026, 07:42:13 pm »
32 bit?

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2026, 12:34:05 am »
It should compile to 32 bit, above the poster says he is using it on XP, which is generally 32 bit.
Problem is that it would need a lot of porting. As I mentioned, we have some of the needed stuff such as the widgets but there are classes that need porting and who knows what else. I don't have the skills to compile iceweasel, if someone else did, I could probably compile iceape and icedove. Just like with our Mozilla where once Firefox was done, I could do SM and TB, though they still have a few bugs such as oauth2 being broke.

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2026, 07:15:10 am »
It seems to me from what you guys have all said (that are more knowledgeable than me) that the 4GB/32Bit limit is pretty much a ticking time bomb.

So I'm kind of thinking now it's a waste of resources to try to port any browser at this point since it will be doomed to fail eventually anyways. (And I don't think ArcaOS being made 64bit is an option? Could be wrong)

So i've come over to the side that maybe another solution like winflector or some other form of RDS solution might really be the only future - since that breaks away from the 32bit limitations by thinking out of the box.

Like, for example, maybe providing funding to winflector for them to make a native client app so people can get the full functionality of winflector (if they could be convinced there is enough interests from the os/2 community). That would be a lot more productive since it would actually solve the problem of breaking the 64bit barrier through virtualization.

One question I was wondering about though: So if you are using a solution like winflector, which is letting you virtualize a 64 bit browser while you are still on a 32bit/4gb machine - Does the fact that your machine is 32 bit and limited in ram effect the performance of the virtualized session?
I haven't had a chance to fully test it myself yet.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2026, 07:18:58 am by David Kiley »

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2026, 09:00:43 am »
Why do you think about winflector? Isn't this another remote access software where the real program runs on another hardware on another OS and only the screen output is mirrored to your machine?

You can do such thing easily with our RDP port. Setup a Linux machine, install xrdp/xvnc and connect to it from your ArcaOS desktop. Either freerdp (much preferred) or vncclient. Works quite good. Probably will work the same with a remote windoze machine. But no need bothering with that crap.

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2026, 09:21:01 am »
Why do you think about winflector? Isn't this another remote access software where the real program runs on another hardware on another OS and only the screen output is mirrored to your machine?

You can do such thing easily with our RDP port. Setup a Linux machine, install xrdp/xvnc and connect to it from your ArcaOS desktop. Either freerdp (much preferred) or vncclient. Works quite good. Probably will work the same with a remote windoze machine. But no need bothering with that crap.

Not sure why you consider it crap honestly. It might not be your preference but it's still a good product.
It has several advantages. Instead of having to login to the whole server as you do with RDP - you can login to just a single app automatically in it's own application window, so it feels like a real application.
It's also much faster and optimized for speed then a standard RDP console.
And if you offered it as a hosted service to others it has better security controls.
But you seem to feel strongly about it :).

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2026, 10:23:59 am »
Why do you think about winflector? Isn't this another remote access software where the real program runs on another hardware on another OS and only the screen output is mirrored to your machine?

You can do such thing easily with our RDP port. Setup a Linux machine, install xrdp/xvnc and connect to it from your ArcaOS desktop. Either freerdp (much preferred) or vncclient. Works quite good. Probably will work the same with a remote windoze machine. But no need bothering with that crap.

Not sure why you consider it crap honestly. It might not be your preference but it's still a good product.
It has several advantages. Instead of having to login to the whole server as you do with RDP - you can login to just a single app automatically in it's own application window, so it feels like a real application.
It's also much faster and optimized for speed then a standard RDP console.
And if you offered it as a hosted service to others it has better security controls.
But you seem to feel strongly about it :).

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, mind English is not my mother tongue, but with crap above I meant windoze. Can't comment on winflector. But the mentioned OS I know long enough and good enough and know how it evolves. So I've a lot of arguments why I know it's crap. At least this days and for serious computer users. But I've already wasted too much time in my life with this OS.

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Re: Mypal68: A possible alternative browser?
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2026, 10:39:26 am »
Maybe I wasn't clear enough, mind English is not my mother tongue, but with crap above I meant windoze. Can't comment on winflector. But the mentioned OS I know long enough and good enough and know how it evolves. So I've a lot of arguments why I know it's crap. At least this days and for serious computer users. But I've already wasted too much time in my life with this OS.

Oh OK I understand you now. I get your feeling but wouldn't it be worth it to use a fraction of Windows if it meant a functional browser?