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Applications / Re: Java applications
« on: May 14, 2022, 07:27:03 pm »
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That's it for short. I'm watching these pages in order to find out when there is a new OS/2 (whatever they call it) and then find a system on which it  can run.

Well, ArcaOS 5.1 is well down the road to being released. The testing includes "NLV availability:    EN, CN, DE, ES, FR, IT, JA, KO, NL, TW" (RU is supposed to be there too, but is currently "broken", in more than one way). The Russian situation has caused delays.

I test ArcaOS 5.1 on single processor machines. Even Dooble (with known faults) runs pretty well on a 500 MB machine with single processor (Dell Dimension 4300 series, which is definitely JUNK). Dooble is slow (about the same as Firefox), but it works as well as it does on more capable machines (very limited testing).

ArcaOS is NOT going to work with an ARM processor. It must be x86 capable.

I keep track of when freinds, and relatives, get totally disgusted with windows performance and replace a perfectly good machine (usually less than 5 years old). Most of them can be used for OS/2, and most of the time, they give them to me, just to get rid of them.

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With the latest versions of VirtualBox, the shared clipboard no longer works from the ArcaOS guests. Has anyone else seen this? Since I've started using my own installer for the Guest Additions, I'm wondering if there is some issue there.

I tried with VBox 6.1.34. First, with an older additions (not sure which one), then after installing the matching release. Both work as expected.

Win 10 host, and ArcaOS 5.0.4 guest. In VBox settings General-> Advanced, Shared Clipboard is Bidirectional.

Anything in POPUPLOG.OS2?

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Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: May 11, 2022, 07:43:53 pm »
Dave that is the only thing that resetting the cookies will not work on my system. I can't log in If I wish to post or anything I have to use Firefox (your last build).

You probably also need to use File-> Authentication, which makes the whole thing more difficult. I have just been entering the login information, for OS2world, and it works as well as anything else does.

It is a learning curve, and the rules are not quite the same as what we are used to.

@Dave (or anybody else): You seem to have this figured out. How do you get it to ask for authentication when you log into Dooble? How can you make more than one profile (if you want to)? Is there a way to automatically enter authentication?

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Setup & Installation / Re: VirtualBox and Warpin (wic.exe)
« on: May 11, 2022, 07:27:56 pm »
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May I ask how the VirtualBox Additions WarpIN installer is going?

A few years ago, I buit a WapIN installer for VBox additions. It was easy to do, but totally useless.

There were two major problems:

1) You cannot get the files until after they are released. Meaning you need to watch for an update, extract the files, turn them into a WarpIN installer, within minutes of a new VBox being released.

2) Oracle has no interest in adding anything to their distribution of VBox, so users need to get the WaprIN installer from somewhere else.

A more minor problem, is that installing the addirions is not suited to using a WarpIN installer. It is better done with a REXX script. I have a REXX script that does part of the job (just do what the instructions say to do), but I haven't updated my script to handle the shared folder support.

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I'd probably just use LIBPATH to get the VirtualBox drivers to be used instead of the preinstalled one, and I don't know how supported that actually is (seems to work on OS/2 Warp 4.52, at least).

That is okay, if you always make sure that the code is available, but if the CD (or image) gets unmounted, it could be trouble. Drivers don't follow LIBPATH anyway, so other things need to be done to get all of it done properly. Probably easier to just follow the instructions, and do it properly in the first place.

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I also am unsure of when the libc stuff should be used or not.

LIBC should onlu be handled by RPM/YUM (use ANPM to simplify that). The LIBC stuff, that is in the additions, is usually out of date, and installing that can down level what is already installed. Remember that you are updating stuff in OS/2, not the host, and you need to use OS/2 tools to do it, using the additions (other than LIBC) from the VBox additions CD (or image).

Also remeber, that the OS/2 additions are not necessarilly updated at each VBox relese, even though the version might change. That doesn't really matter, you should still do the update, to be sure that you have the latest stuff.

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Applications / Re: Apache Open Office 4.1.8 Crash
« on: May 09, 2022, 06:57:05 am »
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The ReadMe for 4.1.11 states "Do not install this version over an existing installation."  I do not recall whether the same warning was diaplayed when I installed 4.1.8 - possibly over a previous version.

Did you uninstall or delete your previous version before installing 4.1.11?

The 4.1.8 version did say that. I suspect that it means don't install over a pre 4.x version, but it is painless to follow directions (and less likely that you will be refused help if it doesn't work for some reason). Since you likely installed it using WarpIN, use WarpIN to uninstall it. It is probably a good idea to install all of the requirements, before installing AOO 4.1.11. Leave your data where it is.

I have installed over the older 4.x versions (on a test system), with no troubles, but that isn't what the instructions say.

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Internet / Re: Dooble Browser rendering - missing characters
« on: May 08, 2022, 10:37:52 pm »
I have wondered if it is actually a "picture", but it is not selectable. Note that the logo (in the yellow part), is also missing. I haven't noticed anything else missing. I assume that usable fonts are installed, because Firefox renders it correctly.

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Applications / Re: Apache Open Office 4.1.8 Crash
« on: May 08, 2022, 08:48:53 pm »
I think I would be looking for duplicate copies of DLLs, in places where they shouldn't be.

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Internet / Re: Dooble Browser rendering - missing characters
« on: May 08, 2022, 08:41:11 pm »
I had better results, when I installed the DejaVu fonts before installing Dooble. At least it picked the proper fonts. I still have one web site, that has missing characters (see image). I suspect that the font is downloaded from the web site, and Dooble doesn't render it properly.

One picture shows what Dooble does. The other shows what Firefox does.


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Applications / Re: Apache Open Office 4.1.8 Crash
« on: May 07, 2022, 07:15:03 pm »
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I went down this path, deployed 4.1.11 with all the appropriate pre-requisite RPM package updates....only to find out that 4.1.11 turned out to be abysmally slow openning up any of my spreadsheets, as well as few other documents.

Personally, I think 4.1.11 opens spredsheets (and other things) faster than the older versions. Use Appache OpenOffice Quick Start, with the "-calc" (and others as needed) parameter, in a startup folder, and it will open quickly. AOO 4.1.11 fixed a couple of other problems, for me. It still has some problems because of our antique JAVA, but performance is quite good. You should also use the Extras-> Enable High mem tool, to mark, at least code (I use code&data) to load high. Loading high can have problems unloading if you don't have the ArcaOS fixed kernel (only licensed for use with ArcaOS). Using Quick Start helps to work aeound that problem too, because it keeps the code from unloading.

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Applications / Re: Apache Open Office 4.1.8 Crash
« on: May 06, 2022, 06:53:09 pm »
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Or is there an easier way?

Yeah. Get AOO 4.1.11, and update it properly. If you ever paid for AOO (you must have, since you have 4.1.8), you are entitled to updates. You probably need to rattle BWW's chain to get it though, or be nice, and donate (pay) for it again.

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Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: May 06, 2022, 06:47:28 pm »
Hi Pete,

The big problem is that a blocklist file is static whereas NoScript is dynamic - block or unblock on the fly, sometimes needed to be able to see what is on the site I get to because some of those sites are dynamic as well trying to get some of the junk past static filters.

The biggest problem with NoScript, is that it needs to be maintained.

Check out: https://alternate-dns.com/. I put those DNS servers into my router, and about 80% of ads never appear. When I add a hosts file, from https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm (this hasn't been updated for quite a while, although the web site has been revamped), it gets rid of another 10%, and I don't need to do anything. The remaining ads are usually not the type that jump out and grab you by the throat. Since the DNS reference is in my router, all of my devices are protected, and I don't need to be bothered with it.

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Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: May 04, 2022, 09:03:49 pm »
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My bank simply won't take dooble for login, but says, not very helpfully, that an error occurred.

One of my banks does that (wouldn't want to help the bad guys get logged in, would you?). My other bank quit working with Firefox 45, and seems to be good, with Dooble.

Fixing banks is probably as easy as fixing government logins. They support a few of the more famous spyware browsers, but not something that they don't bother to to look for.

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t's not what I would recommend as a good browsing experience.

I think the jury is still out, on that one. Part of the problem, for me, is that I cannot import bookmarks, and the Favorites things is somewhat foreign to my way of working. It is mostly a learning curve, but some pretty serious failures have been identified, and they need to be fixed.

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Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: May 04, 2022, 07:54:34 pm »
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I run your script but why have you included :
├ Cannot find such files: swresa1.dll
├ Cannot find such files: swscal3.dll

I had these two, on one system. Apparently the package doesn't call for the ffmpeg-legacy-56 package, and it needs it.

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├ Cannot find such files: libvpx4.dll
├ Cannot find such files: libvpx2.dll

These two probably need one, or more, of the libvpx-legacy packages.

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Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: May 03, 2022, 06:33:39 pm »
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Guess this has to be done by people how actually have problems and a solution. Maybe a wiki page? People like me can't contribute much as it simply worked.

Well, most of it works very well. Small annoyances can be easily worked around, pending a proper fix (and those will not need to be documented, once they are fixed). The biggest challenge is to learn how to use Dooble. It is somewhat different than old browsers that we have had. I did install a windows version, and it seems to be much the same (without the bugs).

I have installed to a number of machines now. Some were not completely updated to Pentium4 before installing (they were kept up to date, using ANPM, but not changed to Pentium4), and Dooble works fine. The best install experience was after I installed the DejaVu fonts (from HOBBES). Dooble picked them up automatically.

For those of you who don't want to use ANPM (RPM/YUM), give your head a shake, and learn to use it. If you keep things up to date, you usually don't have problems (it is far from perfect, but YUM is a very complex program, and ANPM makes it a lot easier). Trying to do all of that manually will be a lifetime project, and you will probably miss things (it is a lot more than just DLLs).

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For the ones who would like to keep on using the good old PMMail, it will be quite difficult.

Actually, it is not difficult, at all. You do need two step verification (2SV), or 2 Factor authentication (2FA, but I haven't tried that). That is for access to any Google service, not just e-mail, and it has absolutely nothing, at all, to do with PMMail (or T'Bird). Then, you need to create a "special" password, using the tool in your Google account. The created password replaces the password that you use in PMMail (or T'Bird), and all is well. Nothing else changes.

There is a reasonably good description at: https://tehnoblog.org/google-account-2-step-verification-how-to-enable-access-to-outlook-mozilla-thunderbird-3rd-party-email-apps/


FTR, 2SV doesn't work very well, so be prepared to try alternatives.

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