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Storage / Re: LVM stopped working
« on: February 09, 2023, 08:34:46 pm »
Roderick,

Any chance the LIBPATH stuff got messed up somehow?

What happens if you "cd" to let's say \os2\dll and try to fire it up from there?

lvmgui.cmd is in \os2, and if you start that up it'll look for lvmgui.zip in your CLASSPATH or directly in \os2\javaapps.

Wel what can "wrong with your libpath". The DLL's in in \os2\dll are in that location unless you copy them manually to different places.
That could cause issue's. However I have never seen anybody do that. So what else could "wrong with your libpath".
The error message does not point in that direction.

The issue is that the LVM engine is having an issue. Its a DLL loading issue.

Roderick

If OS2\DLL would not be correctly in the libpath OS/2 would most not even start up...

Roderick

Sure...reasonable conclusion on your part, but did I actually say THAT "OS2\DLL" got removed from LIBPATH???

I think not!

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Storage / Re: LVM stopped working
« on: February 09, 2023, 03:10:12 pm »
Mini-LVM (from the System folder/icon), lvmgui (java based) or lvm??? cli version?
The ones I tried were mini-LVM from system folder icon and lvm on command line (the screenshot). Have not tried the java based. Is there any hope it would work when the others do not?

All not going to help. LVM.DLL can be loaded but for some reason the LVM dll can not access the disc somehow.
Hence wording it failed to open the LVM engine. Its not an issue of not being able to load the DLL.
Minilvm, lvm.exe and the java version all use lvm.dll so they will all have the same resuit.

Hmmm interesting.

Did you update to Virtualbox 7 ?

Roderick

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Storage / Re: LVM stopped working
« on: February 09, 2023, 03:05:21 pm »
Any chance the LIBPATH stuff got messed up somehow?

What happens if you "cd" to let's say \os2\dll and try to fire it up from there?

lvmgui.cmd is in \os2, and if you start that up it'll look for lvmgui.zip in your CLASSPATH or directly in \os2\javaapps.

If OS2\DLL would not be correctly in the libpath OS/2 would most not even start up...

Roderick

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General Discussion / Re: ArcaOS on Youtube @MichaelMJD
« on: February 05, 2023, 01:25:58 am »
Hi Martin,

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.  My question was about running that board in UEFI mode - I have proved it works in compatibility mode.  Yes, we have to wait but nothing appears to be happening after all the hype we were given at Warpstock which is why I said they need someone running their publicity that can report on this forum - they seem to be running everything on a shoestring which is not good for the future.

Do you think it was any different in the Mensys days ? These are 5 people working on ArcaOS at AN.
https://www.arcanoae.com/about/
Nothing new here. Its not a big company with seperate desks for marketing, development, support etc.

Roderick

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Hi Andi,
Sorry to hear of your misfortune but it was rather foolish to let win 10 anywhere near another OS.  I have a lone salvaged PC that has win 7 on it because a data logger I use only has a win interface.  I have been given a couple of laptops one of which had win 10 installed (lenovo ideapad) and the first thing I did was to kill win and install Linux mint.  I am thinking I might install ArcaOS if they ever release the UEFI version.

I have also had several friends bring their laptops with win 10 installed as an update that messed up everything they had there for me to fix.  I am dreading a rush of win 11 machines because I know of several laptops (HONOR MagicBook 16 and others) appeared as Christmas presents.

Plemty of os/2 users i know that run Windows next tot Arcaos without any issue's.

Roderick

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<snipping all the original post>
You know what? What's really ironic is that OS/2 is most probably the first 32-bit operating system which actually came bundled with a virtualization environment - the VDM. One can launch theoretically as many real DOS environments in what looks really close to a sandbox, work in them, erase them if they crash, use different DOS versions (or maybe even CP/M?  ;D) and it was all already included in the system.
This, and the similarities between SOM and the recent incarnations of .NET under Windows and Linux just make me think how advanced OS/2 was at the time of its launch. An incredible feature and skill set wasted by IBM...

Mentore
eComStation and best I can tell ArcaOS have an contract with IBM and the EULA of IBM is leading. The EULA requires you for installation to have a license.
So you can not install ArcaOS from a legal perspective if you buy one license.

Roderick
I remember there was an eCS license which worded something like - you are not allowed to use your license more than once at any given time. But it was allowed f.i. to have it installed on the desktop and when traveling using it on your notebook. All from the top of my head and I may remember wrong as it's so long ago. But it's not worth to dig it out as this is OT here anyway. Or do you think I violate any of my ArcaOS or eCS or Warp licenses? Of course I'm allowed to run my eCS as guest under my ArcaOS host. But it does not make any sense for me anyway. So what's your point?

I was the person who write the eCS license text....

There is statement in there that you are allowed to use upto 3 Perosnal licenses. If you use more then 3 licenses then you need to buy a commercial license.
The issue however its worded INCORRETLY. It reads (because its worded incorrectly) that if one purchase eCS lcense (personal version) entitles you can install a copy on upto 3 devices.

Roderick

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Quote
-  I want access to a modern Firefox, and I don't want to boot into Linux to get it. At the same time, I don't want to lose access to ArcaOS (by booting into Linux).
You would not lose your OS/2 data cause Linux can read your JFS partitions very well.

But he, when I'm on Linux then my FF and Seamonkey (email) profile and all my other data (documents, passwords, program sources) is on Linux host too. There's no sense anymore to store them in a virtualized guest system.

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Follow with me now ...
1. *Boot* one Host-OS, minimally configured ... never touch it again.

The key is the Host-OS. What is your Host-OS? Do you think there is any host OS which your really can 'never touch again'? And when you have a host OS, even a crippled one, then you have to master this host OS. And live with the host OS. Live with the host OSes quirks and problems. Have to keep them running and maybe install security updates there. Have to backup the host OS itself in case of ....

Example - for me the host OS never can be any Win cause I can't trust this OS. So the host have to be some flavor of Linux. FreeBSD, OpenSuse, Manjaro, Ubuntu, ... name it. It does not care. If I have a host OS which I have to know how to save, manage and backup my productive data, there's not much need anymore to produce any new data in a virtualized guest. There are tons of programs running native on Linux which will do my jobs similar or better than I do it on OS/2. But I've to live with the host OS crippled user interface (compared to the WPS) and with all the things you've to configure in some conf files in Linux.

Remember I know the benefits of VMs. But I don't see any advantage on running OS/2 as guest. If I change my main OS to some Linux then there will be no need anymore start OS/2 - ArcaOS. F.i. when I change my current file/mail/svn/web/.... server from OS/2 to Linux then a lot of things probably will work more smoothly as they do now. Given I ever invest the time to learn how to setup all this stuff on Linux.

For what do YOU need ArcaOS running in a VM?

eComStation and best I can tell ArcaOS have an contract with IBM and the EULA of IBM is leading. The EULA requires you for installation to have a license.
So you can not install ArcaOS from a legal perspective if you buy one license.

Roderick

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Hardware / Re: Hardware Compatibility Wishlist for 2023
« on: January 07, 2023, 10:23:46 pm »
I'd like to be able to set display resolution to numbers I like, instead of relying on those few that the VESA interface provides.

Hi Neil.

I didn't get this one, since I only have 1920x1080 monitors or less.
Do you mean that in Panorama there is missing some configuration for higher resolutions? or custom resolutions? Is there any resolution number that is giving you problems?

Regard

I may start a new thread for this, but this is my list of choices for screen resolution

640x480
800x600
1024x768
1280x1024
1600x1200
1920x 1440
3840x2160

Notice that only the last one is a wide-screen.

I think this URL will tell what Panorama will most likely do on equipmetn that is pretty recent.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/test/hlk/testref/6afc8979-df62-4d86-8f6a-99f05bbdc7f3
It could result in a lot of laptops the native resolution of the laptop working in UEFI boot mode.

BIOS boot native resolution is only possible if the BIOS supports this or the BIOS can be patched by Panorama. But this last option does not work
on all systems (patch BIOS with the resolution of the screen).

A lis of resolutions will not be implemented in reality. What is the best we thing we can get is support for "native screen resolution".

Roderick

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Hardware / Re: Hardware Compatibility Wishlist for 2023
« on: January 06, 2023, 07:32:52 pm »
Ethernet 2.5 GB support does not depend onf the network stack. That is more related to getting a driver for such a chipset ported by AN.
The question is if the TCP/IP stack will provide the performance people would be expecting. Based on the 1 GB experience on some systems I do not
think 2.5 GB performance will be achieved on OS/2.

For me at least, the 2.5GB support is so that I can use a specific motherboard with AOS. The 2.5gb ethernet is the only ethernet provided, and it's a mini pc so it's not like I can just throw a NIC into the machine..

Open a ticket to be certain and attach a testlog. A ticket has less change of getting lost... I think David his list of todo items is extremely long...

Roderick

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Applications / Re: Software Wishlist for 2023
« on: January 06, 2023, 06:21:18 pm »
Eventually, we're likely to need ipv6 support. Probably mean a new TCPIP stack, a major job.

Indeed a major rewrite, since the TCP/IP stack available does know nothing about IPv6. Maybe many low level drivers to be rewritten from scratch: I'm afraid of possible problems related to 64-bit needs...

Mentore

About 98% of the code in the TCP/IP stack drivers such as socketsk.sys is recompiled FreeBSD code, It would possibly be easier to dump the old stack on OS/2 that we have and if somebody has the time port combined IPv4 and IPv6 stack. There are light wheight combined stacks for embedded systems that should be able to run on OS/2. Not needing 64 bit support.

How much work this would be. I had a URL to an open source IPV4/IPv6 stack but I lost the link.

Roderick

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Setup & Installation / Re: Virtual memory, a curious phenomenon
« on: January 04, 2023, 09:21:23 pm »
There is a strange result in virtual memory, depending on where the Swapper position is defined in the config.
In my case if I have the config.sys:
SWAPPATH=C:\OS2\SYSTEM 0 4096
after start the system:
[C:\]mem /v

Total physical memory:      3 895 MB
Accessible to system:       2 999 MB
Additional (PAE) memory:      896 MB

Resident memory:              129 MB
Available virtual memory:     514 MB   <------

Available process memory:
  Private low memory:         373 MB
  Private high memory:      2 240 MB
  Shared low memory:          310 MB
  Shared high memory:       2 211 MB

 But if I create a new unit in 512MB memory,with Ramdisk, unit L: \, HPFS type, and define in the config.sys as:
 SWAPPATH=L:\ 0 4096
 [C:\]mem /v

Total physical memory:      3 895 MB
Accessible to system:       2 999 MB
Additional (PAE) memory:      896 MB

Resident memory:              129 MB
Available virtual memory:   3 321 MB  <------

Available process memory:
  Private low memory:         373 MB
  Private high memory:      2 240 MB
  Shared low memory:          310 MB
  Shared high memory:       2 211 MB

It seems that the 512MB is more important, than anything else, so that it occurs, that change.
On the other hand I do not see any change in the rest of the operation of the system, but it took a short time of evidence.

Saludos

Sorry but the location of the swappath in the config.sys has no influence when the swapper gets set up.
This is most likely one of the kernel statements that gets processed very early by the kerne.
DEVICE= statement for example depend on the order in the config which driver is loaded.
I mean the location of the libpath line in the config.sys also does not alter that behaviour.

Roderick

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I seem to remember that starting with Virtual box 7 under a Windows host, you need to explicitly disable the Windows built-in hypervisor (obviously the Vidtualbox hypervisor implementation and the Windows one get in each other's way). As always, you'll need to find out how to do that and on my system it did not work (the Virtualbox Log still complained that the Windows hypervisor was still active).
Working with more than one core in the guest has never worked for me but I am still using eCS. I don't know if ArcaOS would make a difference. The problem is that multiple cores appear to work ok but after a while, the system(guest) gets confused and hangs eventually. That always happened when I was doing a compile with the old MS 16-bit compiler (run from multiple makefiles).

I think you can simply switch hyper-v support in the Windows control panel. I think if both hypervisors are active you can run end up with a bsod.

The ms16 bit compiler might also simply not be SMP safe. Use msrkexe to mark as SMP unsafe.

Roderick

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And the difference between Paul's and Roderick's result is down to Paul using a real OS and Roderick using a pretend OS which gathers personnel information for those that would try and rule the world.

Thanks for the constructive dialog....

Roderick

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Curent Virtualbox 7 is kaput. THe SMP support was broken in Virtualbox switch 7. Switch back to 1 CPU if you are running more then one CPU core.
I seem to recall a ticket was created @virtualbox to look into this.

This is not entirely true. I spun up an AOS 5.07 VM a day or two ago in Vbox 7 under linux, with 4 cores and SMP kernel, and it's running fine....

Not saying there aren't some cases of people having issues, but to say SMP support is broken is false.

Interesting you running 7.04 of Virtyalbix ? Enabling two cores testlog generic command takes 30 seconds in my windows 11 system. Run 1 core 3 seconds. Rich Dunkle with windows as the host is reported omethjng simuliar.

Roderick

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Curent Virtualbox 7 is kaput. THe SMP support was broken in Virtualbox switch 7. Switch back to 1 CPU if you are running more then one CPU core.
I seem to recall a ticket was created @virtualbox to look into this.

Roderick

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