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Title: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 13, 2016, 01:50:21 pm

I wanted to see what will be the current best laptop for use with win7 and OS2.
Now they are almost all 64 bits, this will be a problem?
Better AMD or Intel?
I remember the last thing I bought was an ASUS has worked very well so far, but I fail some keys now. And I remember that when I bought the laptop take a bootable CD which to my friend Alfredo, and check that it worked with OS2. I only fault the sound that I never worked,in os2.
It could not make a bootable demo ECS22 that start and perform a test before buying equipment to verify correct operation of the parties such as network, sound, wifi, and of course the screen.
I understand that the hard disk will not be problem with the Dfsee.
Saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Martin Iturbide on January 13, 2016, 03:22:25 pm
Hi Roberto.

That the machine/processor is 64bits it is not a problem. A 32bits can run on a 64bits processor, for the majority of PCs I was able to try.

To be honest, I can not know which modern laptop model to recommend, I can only dare to say:
- Check if the BIOS has UEFI legacy mode available. You will need put UEFI on Legacy mode if you want OS/2-eCS to boot.
- I recommend that the machine has V-TX .. or AMD-V, in case you want to run VM's (for example OS/2 as guest on Windows host).

I think you will have  hard time finding a modern Wifi card that is compatible. We really require new drivers about it.
For the moment some idea is to get a laptop that allows you to remove the wifi card and install an older one buying it from ebay. (and that may also be a lottery)

I really hope that this changes in the future with the release of Blue Lion, but that is on 3Q of 2016.

Regards.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Sergey Posokhov on January 13, 2016, 04:30:03 pm
Don't install eCS 2.2, it's better to wait a release from Arca Noae.
I saw, at least:
* memory bugs in Panorama (fixed now),
* more that one JFS partitions decreases performance,
* USB drivers should be updated to the latest version by Lars Erdmann,
* network doesn't compatible with our local provider (so I switched to SafeFire PPP),
etc. etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Pete on January 13, 2016, 04:44:52 pm
Hi Roberto

The only thing I can think of adding to Martins post is to get a laptop with an Intel WiFi card as current Wifi driver development seems to be targeted at Intel.

You may also want to contact Arca Noae - use the contact Form here https://www.arcanoae.com/contact/ - and ask how soon WiFi support is expected to be available and which Intel cards will be supported by the driver. It may take a few days before you get a reply but at least you will then have the information you need.


Regards

Pete
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 13, 2016, 06:46:10 pm
Don't install eCS 2.2, it's better to wait a release from Arca Noae.
I saw, at least:
* memory bugs in Panorama (fixed now),
* more that one JFS partitions decreases performance,
* USB drivers should be updated to the latest version by Lars Erdmann,
* network doesn't compatible with our local provider (so I switched to SafeFire PPP),
etc. etc. etc. etc.
I do not mean that you install the Ecs22-betaxxx. What I mean is that if I take the CD to the store, with ecs22 and bring it into the laptop can try to start an installation. With new ACPI I have more possibilities, with ecs21. (from experience)
But if you would have a cd with ecs22 boot in demo mode, and you can run a test program sound, wifi, etc .. I know before buying if I gain or not.
saludos and thanks by info.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 13, 2016, 07:01:21 pm

1- Check if the BIOS has UEFI legacy mode available. You will need put UEFI on Legacy mode if you want OS/2-eCS to boot.

2- I recommend that the machine has V-TX .. or AMD-V, in case you want to run VM's (for example OS/2 as guest on Windows host).

Point 1 HP specifications watching, I see nothing. So it would have to start the bios to see it.

Point 2, If you mean to run a virtual machine, I prefer to install the airboot and install complete systems.

greetings and thanks for your answer
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: ivan on January 14, 2016, 02:22:03 am
I think the first thing you need to do is define what you are looking for.

Screen size and resolution.
Processor speed and number of cores and manufacturer.
Hard disk size, standard or SSD.
Amount of memory.
Keyboard type, with or without separate numeric keypad.

Once you have a general idea of what you want you then need to look at the price - they range, for a reasonable quality build, from about 600€ to about 2800€ with the top end being classed as 'gaming' units.

To find out details of possible models just download the manufacturers operating manual, it will hopefully give some details of what is there and what the bios does although recent trends tend towards telling how to use windows.

Another thing is to look on the manufacturers site for what drivers are available.  If they supply Linux drivers there is a very good chance that OS/2 will install and work.
 
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Neil Waldhauer on January 14, 2016, 03:06:42 pm
I want to give a different kind of answer, and not totally what the original poster asked.

This is OS/2 World, and so I'm interested in running some kind of OS/2 on a laptop. I am not interested in running Windows, or Mac, or I'd be on a different website. So I'm not really going to install Windows at all.

So, WiFi has to work. These are the newest computers that can run WiFi on OS/2. USB has to work. USB 3.0 is not available, so the computer must have USB 2.0 ports. If you don't want WiFi, then you can use a newer computer.

Here are two computers I use, with commentary on how to buy and install OS/2 on them. I'm an OS/2 consultant, so you can also buy them from me.

http://www.blondeguy.com/computer/hobopeep.html (http://www.blondeguy.com/computer/hobopeep.html)

Hobopeep, a Lenovo W500, is difficult to buy on  eBay. There are four distinct models of W500, and you want the one that has an Intel 5100 WiFi. eBay sellers do not know what chip is in the machine, so you have to buy carefully.

http://www.blondeguy.com/computer/arbopeep.html (http://www.blondeguy.com/computer/arbopeep.html)

Arbopeep, a Lenovo X200, is easy to buy. All X200 have the Intel 5100, and will run WiFi on OS/2.

Once Arca Noae releases a WiFi driver for current laptops, running on a newer machine will be possible. Today, all new Lenovo laptops run the same WiFi chip. This is the chip that Arca Noae is targeting. But, talking to AN, I expect a new driver is a long way off, possibly not in 2016.

I will say from experience that an OS/2 laptop is not 100% great in the real world. WiFi works in airports and cafes for the most part. But WiFi in corporate environments often does not. Corporate WiFi is often a hack job, and works because IT controls all the parts of the solution. Commercial WiFi works because they have to accommodate a wide range of customers.

Tethering works on my tablet, but not on my phone. A fully supported WiFi will improve things a lot.

I'm using eCS 2.2 b 2 and Arca Noae software on both laptops. I do my professional work using the X200 under eCS.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Eugene Gorbunoff on January 14, 2016, 04:15:46 pm
Question to Neil :
* Does X201 work with OS/2?
* Does X200 audio adapter work without problems?
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Vadim Priluzkiy on January 14, 2016, 07:51:27 pm
Lenovo ThinkPad X220i with eCS 2.2 b2
Audio: It works with uniaud.
Video: 1366x768 works with panorama.
ACPI(driver from distributive): All 4 core (2 hardware and 2 hyperthreading) works fine also work speedstep technology. Sleep does not work. :(
Lan: It works with this driver (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/h-viewer.php?dir=/pub/os2/system/drivers/network&file=intel_e1000e_os2_v0-1-6.zip&backto=%2Fh-search.php%3Fkey%3Dintel%2Bgigabit%26pushbutton%3DSearch).
WLAN: Does not work with genmac supported or unsupported mode. :(
Multimedia keys(mute, vol. up/down, mic mute, ThinkVantage): works with win95key, except mic mute and ThinkVantage.
USB: It works fine with default and Lars drivers.
Web camera: Frozen video.
CardBus: Non tested.
UEFI boot: Non tested.
SD/MMC slot: Non tested.

Also this hardware works fine with OS/4 kernels and QS-Init loader. PAE memdisk also work.
Of course security chip, bluetooth and Active Protection System(APS), does not work.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 15, 2016, 12:55:37 am
I have two, no longer "current", but not "old" laptops.

One is a Lenovo ThinkPad T510, with 4 GB memory and 500 GB disk. It works pretty well with eC 2.0 and up (eCS 2.2 b2 is easier to install). Sound works (as well as sound ever works in a laptop). the wired NIC (Intel) works (I am now using the Arca Noae E1000b driver, but the older E1000e driver also works). USB (2.0) works. Panorama works well (I chose the 1600x900 screen, which looks great. 1366x768 is way to small). WiFi (a Realtek chip) doesn't work (I am now using a D-Link DIR-506L for WiFi). AMouse works, and the Trackpoint, the Touchpad, and an external mouse all work. I do turn off the Touchpad in the BIOS.

The second is a Lenovo ThinkPad L530 with 4 GB memory and 500 GB disk. This one is an UEFI BIOS, and it works okay, for what I use it for. I needed eCS 2.2 b2, and DFSEE, to get it to install. I also require the QSINIT loader to get more than 512 meg usable. Sound sort of works, with UniaudUpdate1.09.06-2.02.01.zip, and some messing with UMIX. UniaudUpdate-1.09.06-1.09.26.zip won't even load. The "problem" is that it sounds like there is maximum reverb applied, so it echos on, and on. I haven't spent a lot of time with this, because I don't really care if sound works, or not. There is a USB 3.0 adapter, which doesn't work, of course, but the 2 USB 2.0 adapters work well. The wired NIC (Realtek) works with the Arca Noae MMRE driver, as well as with the older R8169 driver. Panorama works well (again, I chose the 1600x900 screen). WiFi (an Intel chip) works to the point that I can use GENMAC to load a driver, but I can find no way to turn on the radio. It does exactly what a wired NIC will do, when there is no cable attached. Again, I use the D-Link DIR-506L for WiFi access. This one also has a built in camera, which works with WebSee. AMouse works, and the Trackpoint, the Touchpad, and an external mouse all work. I would love to turn off the Touchpad in the BIOS, but there is no setting, so I have had to tape a piece of cardboard over the pad, to keep my hands off of it.

Of course, both machines have features that don't work with eCS, but they are not all that useful with windows either.

The bottom line is that you won't know if a system will work, or not, until you try to make it work. It took me about 6 months to get the T510 to go properly, and it took about the same time to get the L530 to go. Of course, it would be a LOT easier if I just wiped windows, but I didn't want to do that. One of the FIRST things to do, is create the recovery DVDs, so you can get back to the way it was when you started. Don't count on a recovery partition, because that may not work after you start messing around with things. FWIW, the eCS demo CD did work with the T510 (with expected omissions), and it did not work with the L530, at all, so you cannot depend on that as a test.

My first choice, between the two, is the T510, mostly because I can turn off the TouchPad.

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ACPI(driver from distributive): All 4 core (2 hardware and 2 hyperthreading) works fine also work speedstep technology

Actually, I would recommend turning hyperthreading off (you are told to do that in the ACPI docs). I used it for a while, and it seemed to work okay, but I did have a few very strange problems that didn't go away until I turned off hyperthreading. It doesn't really do much for OS/2 anyway, and may actually slow the system.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Sergey Posokhov on January 15, 2016, 01:40:33 am
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I used it for a while, and it seemed to work okay, but I did have a few very strange problems that didn't go away until I turned off hyperthreading.
Previous versions of Panorama (including a driver in eCS 2.2 beta) has some bugs with memory pointers.
Turning OFF hyper-threading can help but it's better to update a driver (alongside with USB drivers).
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 15, 2016, 11:38:45 am

 it seemed to work okay, but I did have a few very strange problems that didn't go away
Check your config.sys, in special path and libpath, atention to  * ; * separator. Is omited in same cases. And this cause starnge erros in with editors and other.
saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Martin Iturbide on January 15, 2016, 01:00:55 pm
Hi

I just updated the OS2World Wiki with the information on this thread:
http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Laptop_Computers (http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Laptop_Computers)

I also tried eComStation on a Thinkpad L420. Compatibility was good, it booted, worked, the strong issues were Wifi and Audio.
Here is what I wrote about it: http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/ThinkPad_L420 (http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/ThinkPad_L420)

I thought that it will be good to also list the "HardwareID" and the driver that works on a table, so the content can also be found when someone looks for the hardwareID of a device and finds out that it works on some computer.

Please remember that everybody can access and edit the wiki (and is also welcome to help) with the same userid and password that is used on OS2world.

Regards
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 15, 2016, 10:13:50 pm

 it seemed to work okay, but I did have a few very strange problems that didn't go away
Check your config.sys, in special path and libpath, atention to  * ; * separator. Is omited in same cases. And this cause starnge erros in with editors and other.
saludos

No, it was hyperthreading. Turn it off, no problem. Turn it back on, and odd things started happening again. It is off, and the problems are gone.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Dave Yeo on January 15, 2016, 10:42:16 pm
The problem is that our scheduler doesn't know about hyper-threading where the threads need to be kept on the same core.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Neil Waldhauer on January 17, 2016, 06:07:07 am
Hi

I just updated the OS2World Wiki with the information on this thread:
http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Laptop_Computers (http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Laptop_Computers)

Please remember that everybody can access and edit the wiki (and is also welcome to help) with the same userid and password that is used on OS2world.

Regards

You got a lot of stuff wrong about the computer, but you misspelled my name too. Fortunately, you are right that we can all edit.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Martin Iturbide on January 17, 2016, 02:30:11 pm
You got a lot of stuff wrong about the computer, but you misspelled my name too. Fortunately, you are right that we can all edit.

Yes, that is the idea of a Wiki, editing it... thanks.

I saw some many people that says "If it is not perfect, I'm not going to publish it". The opposite thing happens on a Wiki, it is content that is going to be improved over time, so the first post does not needs to be perfect.

Regards
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 19, 2016, 11:48:28 pm
Today I received an HP EliteBook 8540w, second-hand, with i7 processor, along with new ACPI Arcanoae. After a few hours of use, it shows me 8 processors, oddball stable. The wifi does not work, the network if it works and does not work HD sound.
saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 23, 2016, 11:48:34 am
Summarizing the first impressions:
The new ACPI ver3.23.01, works perfect, a maximum resolution of 1280x800 monitor with panorama with beta2 ecs22.
Only at first the mouse on the websites, to an annoying flicker that has been removed and not know why.
The wifi I can not start it, although I have seen various web sites
http://ru.ecomstation.ru/projects/genmac/?action=unsupported
and the links on this page. I guess I need a file NETwNs32.reg.
but I am not clear how to create it.
The sound not sounds, but catches my attention that when you start the airboot, a blue light indicating a speaker at startup that light turns orange indicates banned or off, and when I turn off the system, turn it on again and it makes some noises from the speakers, seconds after it is turned off.
saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Martin Iturbide on January 23, 2016, 04:52:19 pm
Hi Roberto.

I just created this pages on the wiki:
http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/EliteBook_8540w

It can be great if you can add more information about the devices that the computer has and the HardwareIDs.

Regards
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 23, 2016, 05:35:17 pm
Thanks Martin, I edit soon with some minor modifications.
But I wanted to report a bug in NAPS.exe, it is the new MPTS, if all network adapters are erased, then you can not add new ones. With an error in protocol.ini
saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 23, 2016, 07:44:58 pm
Modifications
webcam :   do not have
wifi : Is a Intel Centrino N6200 in pci-dock, and N6300 in w7. Do not work by now.
esata :  do not tested
usb 2.0 is ok 3 ports
usb 3.0 not work 2 ports
bluetoth : do not work
network :  Run with E1000 driver in install.
I attach the pci-dock file for full description if any need it.

saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 23, 2016, 11:04:26 pm
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wifi : Is a Intel Centrino N6200 in pci-dock, and N6300 in w7. Do not work by now.

I don't know what the PCI IDs are for those. Run C:\ecs\install\DETECTEI\PCI.EXE and see what it says (or post it). Then, check at ftp://genmac@ftp.os2voice.org/ (ftp://genmac@ftp.os2voice.org/) to see if they are already supported, if not, let me know, and I can build a driver (no guarantees that it will work though). Check GENMU_INTEL_WIFI_README.TXT first, and if it isn't in there, try GENMU_TEST_README.TXT. The difference is that the TEST package has a number of drivers that were built, but nobody reported whether they worked, or not. The third package has drivers that were reported to work, for other manufacturers.

The latest problem (for a few years now) seems to be that the radio is controlled by ACPI, and we have no tool to be able to turn it on.

Hopefully, the WiFi project at Arca Noae will be ready soon, but all I have heard is that they are working on it.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 24, 2016, 02:13:56 am
thanks,
I attach the file.
I can not acces to ftp://genmac@ftp.os2voice.org/ ask me for a password.

Saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 24, 2016, 03:00:01 am
Sorry, i should have told you to use your e-mail address as a password.

That is for another site, Try the password "unsupported". Lower case, and no quotes.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 24, 2016, 04:43:15 am
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thanks,
I attach the file.

Okay, PCI says the 6200 is an 8086:4329. That was not in the available devices, so I took a guess and added it to GenMU_TEST-0-4-5.wpi. Intel seems to be pretty consistent in their drivers, so that will probably work, IF you can get the radio to turn on. I suspect that you won't be able to do that.

You need to install using the WarpIn installer, which makes the proper files available, THEN you need to use (Network) Adapters and Protocols to configure it properly.

I don't see the 6300 in the file...

Good luck...
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Vadim Priluzkiy on January 24, 2016, 04:57:42 am
Hi

I just updated the OS2World Wiki with the information on this thread:
http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Laptop_Computers (http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Laptop_Computers)

I also tried eComStation on a Thinkpad L420. Compatibility was good, it booted, worked, the strong issues were Wifi and Audio.
Here is what I wrote about it: http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/ThinkPad_L420 (http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/ThinkPad_L420)

I thought that it will be good to also list the "HardwareID" and the driver that works on a table, so the content can also be found when someone looks for the hardwareID of a device and finds out that it works on some computer.

Please remember that everybody can access and edit the wiki (and is also welcome to help) with the same userid and password that is used on OS2world.

Regards
Some infos about x220i updated.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 24, 2016, 02:04:38 pm
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thanks,
I attach the file.

Okay, PCI says the 6200 is an 8086:4329. That was not in the available devices, so I took a guess and added it to GenMU_TEST-0-4-5.wpi. Intel seems to be pretty consistent in their drivers, so that will probably work, IF you can get the radio to turn on. I suspect that you won't be able to do that.

You need to install using the WarpIn installer, which makes the proper files available, THEN you need to use (Network) Adapters and Protocols to configure it properly.

I don't see the 6300 in the file...

Good luck...
Bad news, is not working.
In the sample below Genmac boot ... green:
NO VALID HARDWARE-INFO IN PROTOCOL.INI FOR WRND32 $

In lantran.log:
IBM OS/2 LANMSGDD [05/21/04] 6.00 is loaded and operational.
IBM OS/2 TCPBEUI 6.00.0
TCPBEUI: Using a 32-bit data segment.
IBM OS/2 NETBIOS 4.0
Adapter 1 has 223 NCBs, 130 sessions, and 20 names available to NETBIOS applications.
NETBIOS 4.0 is loaded and operational.
IBM LANVDD is loaded and operational.
IBM OS/2 LAN Netbind
PRO0025: An error occurred when the program tried to bind TCPIP_NIF to W8086X4239_nif.
TCPBEUI: Logical adapter 1 is trying to bind to TCP/IP interface lan0.
LT00141: Errors occurred while attempting to initialize TCPBEUI.

In scanx:
[C:\ecs\system\genmac\bin]scanx
DosOpen WRND32$ failed with error 110 at 304
Exiting with rc 110

Modified, the file protocol.ini, debug = ALL.
And create a cmd with type wrnddb$ >genmac.log that include in the startup folder,
but not give me any info.

saludos

I have installed windows 7 32 bits, in the same pc, and I got some information from which the attached file. Here you can see how w7, plays this card as N 6300
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Martin Iturbide on January 24, 2016, 02:27:14 pm
Hi Roberto.

I just did a quick update to the wiki, thanks for the information your shared:
http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/EliteBook_8540w

Please check it out.

Regards
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 24, 2016, 05:30:09 pm
Another problem, I think that this is with ACPI
When i push the button for less volumem in a editor show cccc the 'c'  letter and
with the button for more volumem in a editor, cmd, etc show bbbb the 'b' letter one letter by one click.

saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: ivan on January 24, 2016, 06:23:18 pm
I very much doubt that it has anything to do with ACPI. 

It most probably has everything to do with keyboard scan code mappings.  In which case you need to use win95key to map the scan codes of those buttons to a script that raises or lowers the volume. 

Unfortunately, the service manual for the 8540w does not list the codes for those buttons which I assume are accessed by the HP tools software.  My Logitech keyboard has similar buttons all of which do what is labelled via the use of win95key. 

(win95key_v309.zip from hobbes)
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 24, 2016, 09:15:09 pm
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PRO0025: An error occurred when the program tried to bind TCPIP_NIF to W8086X4239_nif.
TCPBEUI: Logical adapter 1 is trying to bind to TCP/IP interface lan0.
LT00141: Errors occurred while attempting to initialize TCPBEUI.

I think you need to simplify the setup, to make it easier to determine what may be going wrong. Also, post Protocol.INI so we can see what was created.

Use (Network) Adapters and Protocols to remove all adapters, except the WiFi that you want to work with. Use only the TCP/IP protocol, and see what LANTRAN.LOG says, after a boot.

Also make sure that if you are using NAPS, that you have the updated one. The one that is in eCS 2.2 b2 has some problems. Unfortunately, I don't know where you can get that now (it was attached to a bug in the eComStation bug tracker), so you may need to use the old Adapters and Protocols program.

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I have installed windows 7 32 bits, in the same pc, and I got some information from which the attached file. Here you can see how w7, plays this card as N 6300

Interesting. It seems that the 6300 and the 6200 are identical (or I am misinterpreting the windows output, which I always find to be confusing). If one works, the other should too. For now, stay with only one device, and only the TCP/IP protocol, to keep it simple.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 25, 2016, 01:25:49 pm
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Use (Network) Adapters and Protocols to remove all adapters, except the WiFi that you want to work with. Use only the TCP/IP protocol, and see what LANTRAN.LOG says, after a boot.

I can not with ecs22b2 define TCP-IP only because it gives me an error at startup with netwsta.200, I think it's an error in the IBMLAN.INI. Try reinstalling all the full support from the ecs21 networks, but do not let me install it asks me to insert the CD ecs22 and this does not solve the problem.

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Also make sure that if you are using NAPS, that you have the updated one.

The problem is the same with mpts


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Interesting. It seems that the 6300 and the 6200 are identical
yes

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If one works, the other should too.
I hope so

 
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For now, stay with only one device, and only the TCP/IP protocol, to keep it simple.
Yes, you are rigth.

I'm thinking to install the ecs21 update in other laptop and restore in this, and try again.
 
What I can say is that if I increase the memory in me CONFIG.SYS and was perfect with ecs22b2:
set VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=3072
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 25, 2016, 07:31:31 pm
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I can not with ecs22b2 define TCP-IP only because it gives me an error at startup with netwsta.200, I think it's an error in the IBMLAN.INI. Try reinstalling all the full support from the ecs21 networks, but do not let me install it asks me to insert the CD ecs22 and this does not solve the problem.

It has been a long time since I even tried to use NETBIOS, or NETBIOS over TCPIP. SAMBA does the job. I seem to recall that you may need to REM some of the statements in CONFIG.SYS. You cannot use the eCS 2.1 CD to work with an eCS 2.2 b2 system (for many things). It does insist that you use the proper version.

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The problem is the same with mpts

You did reboot, right?

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I'm thinking to install the ecs21 update in other laptop and restore in this, and try again.

ECS 2.1 probably won't make any difference.

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What I can say is that if I increase the memory in me CONFIG.SYS and was perfect with ecs22b2:
set VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=3072

I have found that 1536 is best. I have problems if I make it less, and I have a different set of problems if I make it more. At 1536 I still see both sets of problems, but not as often.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 25, 2016, 09:35:17 pm
I very much doubt that it has anything to do with ACPI. 
Yes is keyboard problem, but are very sensitive only to run his fingers over it and begins to write, or move the volume that does not sound,  :) :) :)
I have not been able to get away, I'll look later.
saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 25, 2016, 10:14:22 pm

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I seem to recall that you may need to REM some of the statements in CONFIG.SYS. You cannot use the eCS 2.1 CD to work with an eCS 2.2 b2 system (for many things). It does insist that you use the proper version.
Yes, i have to begin  to rem many lines.

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You did reboot, right?
In all cases rebot , but i made many combinations, of adapters and protocols, in same cases the condig.sys give me diferent errors in the net.

I have found that 1536 is best. I have problems if I make it less, and I have a different set of problems if I make it more. At 1536 I still see both sets of problems, but not as often.
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Yes, but not in all cases is the same. This works better with more memory.

After several reboots I've only found these lines that may be of interest:
IBM OS/2 TCPBEUI 6.00.0
LT00018: The unrecognized keyword NBAPI was found in PROTOCOL.INI.

Whit this protocol.ini with NBAPI:
IBM OS/2 LAN Netbind
PRO0025: An error occurred when the program tried to bind TCPIP_NIF to W8086x4239_nif.

The protocol.ini not generate the same description in all cases, in fact I can not have it both adapters at the same time in the MPTS, that does not work either. Only one at a time.


protocol.ini
[PROT_MAN]

  DRIVERNAME = PROTMAN$

[IBMLXCFG]

  TCPIP_NIF = tcpip.nif
  tcpbeui_nif = tcpbeui.nif
  W8086x4239_nif = W8086x4239.nif

[NETBIOS]

  DriverName = NETBIOS$
  ADAPTER0 = TCPBEUI$,0

[TCPIP_NIF]

  DriverName = TCPIP$
  Bindings = W8086x4239_nif

[tcpbeui_nif]

  DriverName = TCPBEUI$
  Bindings = W8086X4239_NIF
  NBAPI = "YES"
  NODETYPE = "B-Node"
  OS2TRACEMASK = 0x0
  SESSIONS = 130
  NCBS = 225
  NAMES = 21
  SELECTORS = 15
  USEMAXDATAGRAM = "NO"
  NETBIOSTIMEOUT = 500
  NETBIOSRETRIES = 2
  NAMECACHE = 1000
  PURGECACHE = 0
  PRELOADCACHE = "NO"
  NAMESFILE = 0
  DATAGRAMPACKETS = 20
  PACKETS = 50
  ENABLEDNS = 0
  INTERFACERATE = 2

[W8086x4239_nif]

  DriverName = WRND32$
  VENDOR = 0x8086
  DEVICE = 0x4239
  NDIS_SYS = "netw5x32.sys"
  NDIS_INF = "netw5x32.reg"
  SSID = "WLAN"
  DEBUGLEVEL = "NONE"
  OPTIONS = "NONE"

Saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 26, 2016, 01:32:06 am
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Yes, but not in all cases is the same. This works better with more memory.

I doubt if that  is actually true. You will probably find that some programs will run out of memory because of it.

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Whit this protocol.ini with NBAPI:

I am not sure what that is, but you still have NETBIOS over TCPIP (TCPBEUI) in your configuration. It is confusing things. You should try only the WiFi adapter, with TCP/IP to keep things simple. Your Protocol.ini should look like:
Code: [Select]
protocol.ini
[PROT_MAN]

  DRIVERNAME = PROTMAN$

[IBMLXCFG]

  TCPIP_NIF = tcpip.nif
  W8086x4239_nif = W8086x4239.nif

[TCPIP_NIF]

  DriverName = TCPIP$
  Bindings = W8086x4239_nif

[W8086x4239_nif]

  DriverName = WRND32$
  VENDOR = 0x8086
  DEVICE = 0x4239
  NDIS_SYS = "netw5x32.sys"
  NDIS_INF = "netw5x32.reg"
  SSID = "WLAN"
  DEBUGLEVEL = "NONE"
  OPTIONS = "NONE"

When you get it working that way, then you can add NETBIOS over TCPIP, and it should work.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 26, 2016, 10:07:45 am
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I doubt if that  is actually true. You will probably find that some programs will run out of memory because of it.
You know tell me some program to test?
 I basically just used for this test, the firefox, with more than 20 open windows, and two running youtube videos without any problem.
 I hope you're wrong.
But you tend to be right, particularly with updating the ecs21 and restore this pc.

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Whit this protocol.ini with NBAPI:
I update the E100E multimac from Arcanoae after this error.

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I am not sure what that is, but you still have NETBIOS over TCPIP (TCPBEUI) in your configuration. It is confusing things. You should try only the WiFi adapter, with TCP/IP to keep things simple. Your Protocol.ini should look like:
Yes, but if I get the protocol.ini that you send me only with tcpip, I config.sys errors at startup. I tested all possible starts with one or two adapters and one or two protocols. And even with an adapter before another. And changing the IBMLAN.INI positions 34 and 35 from 0 to 1.Without improving anything . And leaving as before.


Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 26, 2016, 07:01:04 pm
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You know tell me some program to test?
 I basically just used for this test, the firefox, with more than 20 open windows, and two running youtube videos without any problem.
 I hope you're wrong.

It would be nice if I was, but I don't know what causes the problems. I just get popups complaining that I ran out of memory a lot more often when I don't use 1536. 3072 is one extreme of that setting, so something is going to be short of memory.

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I update the E100E multimac from Arcanoae after this error.

I hope you mean E1000E. You should also try the E1000B driver. I find that it works better, and it will be the one that will be developed in the future.

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Yes, but if I get the protocol.ini that you send me only with tcpip, I config.sys errors at startup.

NETBIOS is not supported with that PROTOCOL.INI. You will have errors at boot, if you don't REM the lines for it. However, all you need to do is hit enter to get by them. The objective now is to get the driver for the WiFi to load, with a minimum configuration, to see if it actually loads, or not. If you see green and white information, it probably loads okay. If it doesn't, more information is probably needed to make sure I picked the proper driver (I only guessed). If that part looks okay, you need to try XWLAN to see if it will start the radio (I expect that that part isn't going to work). If that does work, then you can add any other drivers, and put the NETBIOS over TCPIP back in. If it doesn't work, I don't know of any way to get around that, other than to wait for the WiFi driver that Arca Noae is working on.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 26, 2016, 08:29:53 pm


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I hope you mean E1000E. You should also try the E1000B driver. I find that it works better, and it will be the one that will be developed in the future.
Thanks

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NETBIOS is not supported with that PROTOCOL.INI. You will have errors at boot, if you don't REM the lines for it. However, all you need to do is hit enter to get by them. The objective now is to get the driver for the WiFi to load, with a minimum configuration, to see if it actually loads, or not. If you see green and white information, it probably loads okay. If it doesn't, more information is probably needed to make sure I picked the proper driver (I only guessed). If that part looks okay, you need to try XWLAN to see if it will start the radio (I expect that that part isn't going to work). If that does work, then you can add any other drivers, and put the NETBIOS over TCPIP back in. If it doesn't work, I don't know of any way to get around that, other than to wait for the WiFi driver that Arca Noae is working on.


Many thanks again, I need more time. We return later days or weeks, about wifi card.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 26, 2016, 08:52:32 pm
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It would be nice if I was, but I don't know what causes the problems.

IS NICE!!!!!!!
This deserves a comment aside.
Arcanoae and all the developers have done a great job, my most sincere congratulations.
I'm not willing or able to hang.
Today I've put the hard drive from my old asus, with 1TB and many folders, you had to ecs22b2, and the usb not run, boot, but operative. Still I decided to reinstall a clean backup. With the ram to 1536, and have many more folders on the disc you could tell a lot sometimes slowed the opening of folders. But do not hang up. Only it slows down, becoming slower than the Asus.
When I increase the RAM to 3072, the slowness is fixed.

Applications that have tried all work, Dbexpert, openoffice, fc, med, Firefox, Thunderbird, and more ALL run.
I have observed only fault screen in Truespectra, keen4c, pacman, which should be improved, but this is the way.

Saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 27, 2016, 09:28:40 pm
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What I can say is that if I increase the memory in me CONFIG.SYS and was perfect with ecs22b2:
    set VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=3072

I have found that 1536 is best. I have problems if I make it less, and I have a different set of problems if I make it more. At 1536 I still see both sets of problems, but not as often.

Well, after having this discussion, I tried VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=3072. Previously, I had tried 1024 (with one set of problems), and 2048 (with a different set of problems). At 1536 I saw both sets of problems, but not as often. With 3072, I have not (yet - at about 17 hours) seen either set of problems.

I am using the SMP-106 kernel (from eCS 2.2 b2), but I also tried it with the SMP-105 kernel (briefly). I can't say that I have seen a performance change, but I am surprised that it is actually working.

If you try this, be sure that you have an alternate boot system, so you can change it back to what works, for you.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Dave Yeo on January 27, 2016, 10:37:58 pm
I've been running with virtualaddress=3072 for a couple of years as it is required to have enough memory to link the debug xul.dll (almost 800MBs) and with my 2GBs of ram the swap file can grow to about 500MBs)  and haven't noticed any problems.
I think it depends on hardware, eg if you have a graphics card with 1GB of memory, you might have problems, same if you have a large HPFS386 or maybe JFS cache as cache goes into high memory and hardware address space grows down from the top.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Sergey Posokhov on January 27, 2016, 11:31:38 pm
I saw the same problem with JFS on two volumes, but then I switched to HPFS+JFS and slowness has gone.
Many strange problems (including snowflakes on the screen) has gone with new Panorama.
And, thanks to Lars Erdmann, all USB keyboards now works correctly.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 28, 2016, 11:08:39 am
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I am using the SMP-106 kernel (from eCS 2.2 b2), but I also tried it with the SMP-105 kernel (briefly). I can't say that I have seen a performance change, but I am surprised that it is actually working.
Glad you work, but that care. I think many of us have hard disks CORRUPTED.

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If you try this, be sure that you have an alternate boot system, so you can change it back to what works, for you.
That's why I asked for a few days or weeks to partition my hard drive, and test to make lighter and other startups. He did not give me any problems and I have it ready, but for now the wifi is not a priority.
The priority is what happens in the hard drives. I have not the solution, but I think part of the problem can be identified. I will continue in another mail, I would like to explicate well.
saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 28, 2016, 04:19:03 pm
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Glad you work, but that care. I think many of us have hard disks CORRUPTED.

The AHCI, and Dani, drivers in eCS 2.2 b2 are not good (but if they actually work, they probably won't corrupt a disk). JFS also has a nasty bug in it (this one can corrupt a disk, but it is very rare). I highly recommend updating to the versions supplied by Arca Noae.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 28, 2016, 07:52:51 pm
I start from the beginning.
I get a new laptop, dfsee, formatted, install, update the ACPI (nothing more at first, I mean that you did not add any other updates otherwise)

Everything worked perfect, incredibly well, except sometimes to as hopping timeout. And I decided to increase me memory. Greatly improved.
The maximum to try to force him to break, impossible, everything perfect.

Change the physical disk on the other, my old asus. Starts but does not convince me. Just reinstall the system from a backup, the ecs22b2, the same he had used in the tests. (Here it is possible to update the multimac, and then some)

Go fine, but I can think of a folder, right mouse click, a window opens with an option "create another" you click on the arrow and three options appear in my case

default
folders
POSTALES
          DO NOT CLICK !!!

(In ALL of my work computers out many more options or POSTALES)

I focus on postales, postales is a folder on my hard drive, created by me by 2008 aprox..

One first question that makes a folder into a menu in me system, newly installed.

2 question, where is it?

With the C:\OS2\APPS\PMSEEK.EXE the search for POSTALES and if I have Firefox open the system hangs.
Because the system hangs searching for a simple folder ???

Reboot, and without opening the firefox, and searching for second POSTALES.NO EXIXTS on my disk. (Now not hang)
INIS will corrupt? Newly installed.?
At work I have also sought to Sears Plus, and no exixts the folder POSTALES. And the files it contains not exist.


I create a new folder, and from that folder I go to " Create another POSTALES"  (in my case but each will have its mistakes with POSTALES)

And magic, a folder that does not exist, not just a POSTALES folder is created, if you have files in which either exist on the hard disk and makes the system unstable to the point of hanging with pmseek.exe + firefox

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As solve ?, I have no idea. I'm just a power user, but user. But the problem is in the data. Now we have to look for it, and fix it. Because it's like a virus though I do not think so, by now.
But of course nobody wants to erase its data.

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I had already been concerned about time, because the file handle, not going well, and I think I tried them all, filefreedom, filestart, lasercomander, filemanager, fc oldest and the best fc2.4 . But strange things
All fail at the same time?

saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Dave Yeo on January 28, 2016, 09:31:38 pm
Sure sounds like INI corruption. Have you tried cleaning them?
Perhaps could be a longname EA that differs from the real name which might be found by using the WPS search function (right click on a folder/desktop and choose find)
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: ivan on January 28, 2016, 10:48:11 pm
Do you have Xworkplace installed?  If so then run xfix. 

Read the instructions which in simple form are:  select 'find invalid' from the Actions drop down menu. Wait until that finishes and then select 'select all' from the Select drop down and scroll down to find the highlit invalid entries, mouse button two on one if them and select 'delete'.  Then go back to Actions and select 'delete now' from the drop down and finally go to the xfix menu and select 'write back to os2sys.ini...' answer yes to do that in the popup and you should have almost clean ini files.

There are other tools that help with cleaning the ini files which complement xfix.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 28, 2016, 11:39:26 pm
Sure sounds like INI corruption. Have you tried cleaning them?

In the few cases that have recovered my ini files I had to restore it. Besides this rule it out in principle. It is an almost untouched system.

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Perhaps could be a longname EA that differs from the real name which might be found by using the WPS search function (right click on a folder/desktop and choose find)

It seems I go with that utility can find the ghost files, I display them in a window, and when I click on one to view its properties or where it is, the system hangs

If I save results, system hangs.

I attach photo with menu. See postales,

Saludos


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Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 29, 2016, 05:30:37 am
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It is an almost untouched system.

That could be part of your problem.  When I got my newest computer, it was a lot faster than the old ones. I was having problems with INI files, and a couple of other things. Fortunately, I almost never turned the machine off, so it wasn't too  much of a problem. I found that I needed to turn on the shutdown delay setting. It looked like the machine was fast enough to turn the power off, before the disk finished writing data (probably the INI files). Go to the Desktop Properties-> XShutdown (or eShudown). Near the bottom there is a check box for Delay. Turn that on. It makes it pause for 4 seconds before it turns the power off.

If that works, get the latest XWorkplace, and install it. That is supposed to have a fix for that problem (but I am still not convinced that it really is fixed). It should be at: ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/pub/wlan/xwp-3.unofficial-1-0-10.zip (ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/pub/wlan/xwp-3.unofficial-1-0-10.zip). I doubt if that will fix your file problems but it might prevent more file problems.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 29, 2016, 09:30:22 am
I've found the problem, the POSTALES folder
For whatever reason it was created this folder as WPS PEER DIRECTORY CLASS, and is labeled Template, and is on the server and I can access it without problems from other pcs. Not corrupt.
The server is running ecs2.0
But my question is, in a restoration of that folder on the laptop, with ecs22b2, you can make the system hang just with a click over the icon?

There may be other similar objects that interfere with the system and make it unstable.?
Which?
Saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Sergey Posokhov on January 29, 2016, 11:33:31 am
Again,
An average time for eCS 2.2 Beta to work before reboot is approximately 4 hours.
I saw this bug too.

JFS should be updated, USB drivers, and Panorama.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 29, 2016, 04:35:09 pm
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An average time for eCS 2.2 Beta to work before reboot is approximately 4 hours.

After updates, I have had my home made NAS box (using eCS 2.2 b2 with updates) run for 40 days, and the only reason I booted was to get some new updates done. My main system has been running for 1 day, and 16 hours, now, but I usually find some reason (other than failures) to boot every couple of days.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 29, 2016, 04:57:42 pm
Again,
An average time for eCS 2.2 Beta to work before reboot is approximately 4 hours.
I usually always stop them 10-15 seconds. It is an important fact.

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I saw this bug too.
I was 90% sure it was not an issue of INIS.

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Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 30, 2016, 12:48:50 am

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I am not sure what that is, but you still have NETBIOS over TCPIP (TCPBEUI) in your configuration. It is confusing things. You should try only the WiFi adapter, with TCP/IP to keep things simple. Your Protocol.ini should look like:
Code: [Select]
protocol.ini
[PROT_MAN]

  DRIVERNAME = PROTMAN$

[IBMLXCFG]

  TCPIP_NIF = tcpip.nif
  W8086x4239_nif = W8086x4239.nif

[TCPIP_NIF]

  DriverName = TCPIP$
  Bindings = W8086x4239_nif

[W8086x4239_nif]

  DriverName = WRND32$
  VENDOR = 0x8086
  DEVICE = 0x4239
  NDIS_SYS = "netw5x32.sys"
  NDIS_INF = "netw5x32.reg"
  SSID = "WLAN"
  DEBUGLEVEL = "NONE"
  OPTIONS = "NONE"

I wanted to revisit the issue of wifi.
Now I have the adapter, just tcpip.
I genm32w.os2 modify the file and not working.

I modified:
Bidindings = ,W8086x4239_nif

and not work.
Any other options?
Saludos


Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 30, 2016, 01:00:18 am

JFS should be updated, USB drivers, and Panorama.
I've seen this bug corrected. After updates.
Other small bugs:
Turning off the team really does a reboot. Do not off.
In the e.exe editor jumps the cursor, only same times.

Saludos
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 30, 2016, 05:41:11 am
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and not work.
Any other options?

Well, what does it do? What is in LANTRAN.LOG? What is in the GENMAC logs?
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 30, 2016, 11:25:32 am

Lantran.log
IBM OS/2 LANMSGDD [05/21/04] 6.00 is loaded and operational.
IBM OS/2 LAN Netbind
PRO0025: An error occurred when the program tried to bind TCPIP_NIF to W8086x4239_nif.



Wrnd32.log
//------------ Version 2.1 ------------------

Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: Doug Bissett on January 31, 2016, 12:22:15 am
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PRO0025: An error occurred when the program tried to bind TCPIP_NIF to W8086x4239_nif.

That probably means one, of two, things. 1) I guessed wrong about the driver. 2) You are doing something wrong, but I don't know what.

If you want to pursue this further, you will need to find the windows driver (preferably for XP, but whatever you can find - older is better), and send it to me, along with the driver information from the windows registry. Look for a section that is something like what is in netw5x32.reg. My e-mail address is in the documentation for GENMU-TEST.WPI.
Title: Re: Which buy a new laptop? for 2016
Post by: roberto on January 31, 2016, 10:08:15 am
It counts on it. Whenever I can install XP on this laptop.
saludos