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Networking / Re: windows 7 does not see os/2 device
« on: August 06, 2015, 05:51:55 pm »
The status bar in your last picture shows the error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED which most likely indicates your Windows client is not properly configured, unless you can access its shares from elsewhere.

Check all those dumb settings (that become more dumb each new Windows version), like "home, corporate or public network", "remote access setup wizards" and so on (I really do not remember, don't want to recall and I'm glad I and don't have to). Just google something like "share access denied windows 7" and you are very likely to get lots of solution articles.

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Programming / Re: libc panic
« on: August 03, 2015, 03:26:58 pm »
I know WatchCat can show semaphores per process.

Can also maybe Theseus 4 be useful?

ftp://ftp.boulder.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4.5warp/theseus4/thes4001.exe

By the way, I sent you a PM some time ago...
PS: If someone wants to test the port, PM me.  I'll send you the binary.

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General Discussion / Re: Windows 10 and privacy
« on: August 02, 2015, 05:00:01 pm »
Hm I thought you cannot anymore install eCS on FAT, can you?

Anyway, that is off-topic.

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General Discussion / Re: Windows 10 and privacy
« on: August 02, 2015, 12:05:27 pm »
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and if running some older kernels
T42p hibernates successfully with 14.104 kernel. Not tried latest 106er. But it takes about 1'25'' to wake up with 1.5GB RAM.

Interesting. What system version do you run?

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Article Discussions / Re: Choice of update channel for eCS / OS2
« on: August 02, 2015, 06:03:52 am »
Quite frankly, your DLL tracker is a great tool...I only wish that it was more prominently "published" and/or showcased as part of releases like Firefox...because it has the potential to help that part of our community who needs it.

It had been announced.

Still its use should be discouraged in favor of RPM as you may face an older version which will cause problems.

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Article Discussions / Re: Choice of update channel for eCS / OS2
« on: August 02, 2015, 05:55:47 am »
Sorry, I'm tired of this meaningless debate.
I'm not going to argue with every single statement (you've just gone crazy at some places), which you really wrote a lot (honestly I even didn't read your post thoroughly).

You are misperceiving me.

My position is very simple and well-justified: as long as a program's misbehavior is not reproduced with Netlabs.org RPM environment, the fault is considered to be located in the user's environment, not in the program or Netlabs.org RPM environment.

If you choose the non-RPM way, that's your choice. I never claimed it is wrong. It is not supported.
This is not done to lock someone into RPM. This is done to save resources. I wholeheartedly agree with this.
Non-RPM most probably will work (worked lots of times in my case), unless you are doing it wrong.
It is not a bug, stop wasting resources. You are doing it wrong (while pretending the other, standardized environment is bad, not faulty yours).

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Article Discussions / Re: Choice of update channel for eCS / OS2
« on: August 02, 2015, 02:48:19 am »
for anyone to be still a part of OS/2 community today means he/she has to be knowledgable enough about the system to be able to troubleshoot, setup, manage, maintain, upgrade their environments as needed

This is highly arguable.

I recall someone sharing a story here on OS2World forums he or she has been facing people at Warpstock who were not even aware of new Firefox ports (AFAIK that was it) and suffering because of new web sites not working with the version that came with their eCS distribution (AFAIK its version was neither cutting-edge).

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Article Discussions / Re: Choice of update channel for eCS / OS2
« on: August 02, 2015, 02:39:49 am »
Dariusz, I have failed to grasp the central point of your post, but here follows some of the misconceptions in it.

My DLL tracker is sometimes useful, but a bad, dirty hack, not a silver bullet.

I was obviously talking about RPM.

My environment is nothing special but currently just an eCS 2.2b2 with RPM/YUM environment of Netlabs.org.
And I have never ever had problems with Firefox caused by environment!
Contrary to those refusing to follow recommendations and failing to get along their own way. (Which is possible and may be justified.)

Dude, do you really even read the issue tickets?

for anyone to be still a part of OS/2 community today means he/she has to be knowledgable enough about the system to be able to troubleshoot, setup, manage, maintain, upgrade their environments as needed

This is highly arguable.

I recall someone sharing a story here on OS2World forums he or she has been facing people at Warpstock who were not even aware of new Firefox ports (AFAIK that was it) and suffering because of new web sites not working with the version that came with their eCS distribution (AFAIK its version neither was not cutting-edge).

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Applications / Re: Firefox 31.8.0 Beta 5 - First Impressions
« on: August 01, 2015, 05:26:51 pm »
This is not an answer on my question, reading seems difficult.

Joop, please try not to spawn more issue tickets at GitHub: there are evidences there is nothing wrong with Firefox port regarding the download problem, but your environment is screwed up.
There is nothing wrong with my setup, there is only evidence that on some OS/2-eCS installations FF runs as thought it should run. Downloading only two files and with the third FF is going down has nothing to do with a setup, you could have a point when this happens with download nr1. But it doesn't. Also all other programs on my system are gladly to work with my setup, according to you wrong, but what the hell, it works. All of them, a couple of hundred programs!  And who the hell are you to forbid me to post on Github?

Sorry, I take my words

I will gladly participate in discussions to help you solve the problem.

back.

Edit: ah, no need to take my words back. It was anticipated:

if you declare your problems in a clear and non-offensive manner

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Programming / Re: New OS/4 kernel :: SVN4227
« on: August 01, 2015, 03:36:46 pm »
It's not open sourced at all is it?  I never can find a SVN server, should I even look?

No, unfortunately, not.

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General Discussion / Re: Windows 10 and privacy
« on: August 01, 2015, 03:34:52 pm »
would hibernate if installed on C:

Only if the system volume is formatted in FAT, and if running some older kernels.

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Applications / Re: Firefox 31.8.0 Beta 5 - First Impressions
« on: August 01, 2015, 03:29:41 pm »
Joop, please try not to spawn more issue tickets at GitHub: there are evidences there is nothing wrong with Firefox port regarding the download problem, but your environment is screwed up.

I want to strongly discourage spending porters' time on solving problems in a user's environment, because this time may be spent... you know... on porting. Which is good for everyone, not just for that one user.

Joop, I highly suggest you to open a new thread on OS2World forums to ask for assistance in maintaining your system.
I suspect, if you declare your problems in a clear and non-offensive manner, there is a high probability of volunteers to come up without closing your issue tickets.
I will gladly participate in discussions to help you solve the problem.



There was a new thread spawned by Eirik Romstad for RPM, dependencies, updates, etc discussions. I suggest everyone to move there for discussions on those subjects to keep this, let me recall, Firefox 31.8.0 Beta 5 - First Impressions thread clean.

Let me also summarize: the port is awesome!
I would like to thank everyone who participates in this awesome work!

There is also an option to donate to bww bitwise works GmbH.
They currently also work on SWT/Eclipse and VirtualBox ports, and they keep the work open!

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Article Discussions / Re: Choice of update channel for eCS / OS2
« on: August 01, 2015, 03:02:20 pm »
I am willing to bet $100 that Boris does not work with sales  :).  While I think it is important to have something substantial to sell, sales should not be disregarded as irrelevant.

Eirik, can you please clarify how do you justify your claim of logical equivalence of the following predicates?
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problems of users failing to comprehend the readme file are irrelevant
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sales are irrelevant

I can come up with an only assumption: you think bww bitwise works GmbH sells the Firefox port.

Otherwise I do not understand how spending dmik's time on solving problems of users which are caused only by their incapability to manage their system environment themselves and their blind refusal to use a tool that does just this for them.

I would bet you'd rather want dmik to work at porting Firefox, not as a first line support engineer.

This causes pain to me. Every time I see somebody searching (in WGet distributions on Hobbes!..) a library or a dependency (I have even made this...), or somebody with a whole shitload of different versions of everything everywhere on their systems... it hurts. And then they post issues at GitHub.



Ivan, I see you blame me in the neighbor thread I ignore your posts, but here is what.
You've also ignored a response to you regarding local repositories, and...

This debates are meaningless and are not making anyone more happy.
I am not going to heavily participate and argue with every statement I don't agree with.

I'll now better continue working on trying to solve this very exact problem.

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General Discussion / Re: Windows 10 and privacy
« on: August 01, 2015, 12:29:16 am »
When talking about ordinary users, GNU/Linux nowadays does not even remotely convey that inconvenience as OS/2 does: unlike OS/2, each and every PC use case of an everyday user is absolutely possible and common with GNU/Linux.
Possible yes, but older hardware is not supported by newer Linux distros as well as OS/2 supports it.  When I say older, think of a T400 thinkpad laptop.  I have one with an ATI video that is not supported via the ATI drivers but runs with VESA on Linux from even a couple of years ago as they dropped the "old" video support (Fedora, Ubuntu anyhow).  Panorama is much faster on it than Linux runs.  Yes, you could run a Linux distro from that time but it is less supported than OS/2 at this point and doesn't allow for newer application installs via the package manager.

Agreed. You've made a point. OS/2 may be a justified choice for old hardware. I wouldn't call T400 "old" though. :)
But now I would really argue old hardware is not compatible with modern everyday users.

My not really very old A31 (now you can estimate what's "old" for me, lol) had been running OS/2 relatively well, but wireless troubles with more than a half of hotspots, one half probability of being stuck at video reinitialization after a resume, bad support of Ultrabay and no support of Dock II are the most vivid and really non-arguable issues (i.e. we're not talking about software absence, etc) with it. I've really tried. My conclusion: no way if you want to make use of all of the coolest hardware features of Thinkpad laptopts (otherwise why Thinkpad then?).

This, in a much lesser essence, but still, does apply to GNU/Linux. It is just too frustrating to have capable hardware you can't use.


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Applications / Re: Firefox 31.8.0 Beta 5 - First Impressions
« on: July 31, 2015, 11:58:30 pm »
And here, kids, is what one is going to get if refuses to use YUM.
P. S. The worst thing is that the very valuable OS/2 developers time is carelessly wasted on solving irrelevant problems of users failing to comprehend the readme file.
Thanks for your kind words. First, YUM doesn't do that good and most of us in Holland do have trouble with that package (don't know if this has to do with the Dutch OS/2 or eCS versions, but I've seen twice total disaster). Some who had installed it are not happy. Second, why do we need to import Linux problems? We have OS/2, write a CLEAR readme and anyone can dump the necessary files in the right directory. Third, my native is not English, so sometimes the readme can not be understood in the right way or the readme just sucks and is too short of information, not seldom seen from developers  point of view who can't imagine that on an other systems or with other users (with an other native) it will fail. Fourth Linux doesn't understand the freedom we have in OS/2, my guess is that not two OS/2-eCS installations are the same. You can't say that from Linux. Fifth, same setup doesn't mean same results. Sixth, everything works fine, except the new just installed program, that also means that if all other things works as it should that not much can be wrong and the problems are with that new program. Seventh, follow the IBM guidelines, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So true...

ob¦scur|ant|ism /ˌɒbskjʊˈrantɪz(ə)m/, noun, uncountable, formal. 1. the practice of deliberately making things more confusing or complicated, so that people do not know the truth.

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