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Networking / Re: Netgear Wireless PC Card
« on: October 13, 2017, 07:06:00 pm »
I attach the picture of the card.
I also would like to purchase a new laptop with AMD processor. the laptop I am using is obsolete, from year 2003.
I am waiting for the new version of Arca Os, the one which boots from usb keys.


Just reading more about it:
* PC Card = PCMCIA Card (older name): 16-bit or 32-bit
* PC Card 32-bit version = Cardbus (alternative name)
- Source

I haven't found any references on the Netgear WG511 from the Hardware site.

Warp: Maybe it will be also interesting for you to try to find some other alternatives, like an Ethernet2Wifi adapter until Arca Noae releases newer wireless PCI drivers.


Networking / Netgear Wireless PC Card
« on: October 13, 2017, 02:16:42 pm »
Is it possible to make the PCMCIA Card WG511 working with eCS 2.1? Thank you in advance.

Hardware / Re: New Laptop with AMD Processor
« on: September 16, 2016, 11:13:07 am »
About the video card, 2 months ago on the display I got many times multi color stripes. It was under Win XP.
I did 2 tests with eCS 2.1 and everything was ok.
I tested the video card with the SNAP video driver.

Like you all of our computers have AMD processors from workstations to our servers and we would not change them for intel units even if someone paid us to do so.

Some of our clients have intel powered machines and we do repairs on machines with both types of processors.  All the workstations we build for clients are AMD powered and include AMD/ATI video cards.

Now a question.  When you say the video card is getting broken, what do you mean?  Our experience is that intermittent video is usually caused by damaged cables in the lid hinges with a secondary problem being overheating caused by dust build up on the coolers in the unit.

Hardware / Re: New Laptop with AMD Processor
« on: September 15, 2016, 10:14:19 pm »
Until now, on my computers I had only AMD processors and I never had problems.
I am considering to replace the laptop, because the video card is getting broken.

Sorry Eugene but I have to totally disagree with you.  My company has 8 AMD based laptops (6 15" and 2 17") that are used out on site.  These are 9 years old and have never given any trouble.  Yes, we did have to change the wireless card to one that has OS/2 drivers and yes I am upset that I can't get the the full wide screen resolution out of the Nvidia chipset on the 17" units but other than that they have not given any trouble.

Regarding repairs to laptops.  We do that as well and there is very little money to be made doing so no matter what brand the processor is.  Modern laptops are not designed for repair unless you regard replacing the motherboard a repair.  With a lot of intel based units you can't even replace the processor.

Hardware / Re: New Laptop with AMD Processor
« on: September 14, 2016, 02:02:25 pm »
Let us know how it went.
Thank you.

I have an AMD-based Toshiba notebook.  I'll see if I can get it to boot tonight.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

Hardware / Re: New Laptop with AMD Processor
« on: September 14, 2016, 02:01:05 pm »
Hi Martin,

for BIOS do you mean the traditional BIOS with ACPI. Probably all new computers are equipped with UEFI BIOSES.
All modern AMD processors should have the VT-X or AMD - V extensions.


I don't have a direct latop recommendation but I suggest you to check:
- Check that the BIOS has ACPI legacy mode.
- Is also good that the computer has VT-x or on AMD AMD-v  to run virtual machines.
Wifi is going to be difficult issue until newer drivers are released.


Hardware / New Laptop with AMD Processor
« on: September 13, 2016, 11:04:12 am »
I am considering to replace my Asus laptop, which is almost 13 years old. The video card is getting broken.
Does anybody know a laptop with AMD processor (APU), which will work with eCS?
The biggest questions could be the network drivers, I suppose.
Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

Hello Jim,

what not opening a new discussion in the "Setup and installation area" of the forum?

You can reach it here:,16.0.html

You mentioned eCS 1.0, which has been released in year 2000-2001, I suppose. When did you purchase your laptop?

I am a newbie to this forum, so please forgive my errors. Not a newbie to OS/2, having first started with it with version 2, but haven't used it in a long time.
This observation is very self centered, as it involves what I want to do.
I want to find a laptop that will work with eCs 1.
I do have an old Toshiba (Satellite M35X-S161) but it gets a can't operate this drive which as I remember means I don't have the correct driver. Appreciate any help on this.
As to the question at hand.  It would seem you could get everyone on "O/S2 World" to list what they have and drivers that work.
If they have a Toshiba Satellite XXXX-XXXX state that and what works and what doesn't.
If they have a desktop they same.
If they have a custom desktop. what parts work and what don't.
If they are using a virtual machine then what type and what are the settings.
I know it is a big job if you look at the end of the job it seems gigantic, but if we look at just one at time it will grow.
Last time I looked at the HCL there were only two laptops, I can't believe those are the only ones. I don't know if the HCL is modifiable then it should be. Have someone knowledgeable check them and lock them.
Please excuse me if I stepped on any toes or broke any rules.

Article Discussions / Re: How to improve the installer of OS/2?
« on: May 25, 2015, 08:42:09 pm »
I think its time the people in the community stop having this negative attitude towards YUM.
It makes no sense. Yeh it has issue's but problems can and should be fixed.

We already discussed this subject and I think we already have listed the good and bad about RPM/YUM. While I'm "sucking it up" with RPM/YUM because it is very good to install dependencies, I really hope that the "YUMIE thing" will be a step forward. But from what I had been told having the option to move away the FHS from the root drive is not on their plan.

Neither of us can say what the community should stop taking about, if it is your opinion is good, but it does not mean that we should stop having a positive or negative attitude towards a software on this platform and be silent about it. A community is just a bunch of people that may have different opinions and I want to keep it a free space for people to talk about this platform.


Its a free world. But certain discussions thst just revolve around issue's that in todays small community
are if little use to the community. I have heard sometimes so much bashing to RPM.
While most of gcc work is done by a hand full of people.

I think as having worked on the installer at Mensys and have given so many customers until last year (before i left Mensys). I kind of know where the problems are.

That people do not like yum. Thats fine. But so far i have not heard people that complain, work on an alternative! And maybe some of the developrs working on gcc ports have got a reason to use rpm ? Of which a lot of software is provided free of charge!

And maybe its time to consider the grand picture and not just your private hard disc.
As I said people left os/2 partly because of the application update issue.
I know also normal users are out their still using os/2 and they are not as knowledgable on os/2 as some os2world members.
A yum/rpm with gui would make live easier.

I am an OS/2 user since  Warp 4. I remember the installation procedure of OS/2 4. It wasn't user friendly!
The same with the Fixpacks and the other fixes.

At that time, installing Windows and its Service packs was much easier.

Also having an easier update of the programs would be appreciated.

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS demo CD beta 5
« on: December 12, 2013, 02:52:37 pm »
I am writing this post from the desktop pc with eCS Demo Cd 2.2. As I already said, the system works fine and the ACPI recognized all 4 processors! The 16 Gbyte Corsair USB key has been properly detected.

I have chosen "boot with your own values" and the ALSA driver was already enabled. In spite of that, the sound is still missing. Motherboard ASUS M4A88T-V EVO with AMD 880G / SB 710 chipset.

Audio ALC892 8-channel High Definition Audio Codec

Anyway, a good job!

Most likely the audio driver works when you select it in the pre boot menu (boot with own value's).

What is a real problem is that the mixer with audio chips per mainboard/laptop manufactor are WIRED different.
The result is the audio is played but you don't hear it. We are still looking to fix this. But its not an easy one.
I forgot the technicall details.


Setup & Installation / Re: eCS demo CD beta 5
« on: December 11, 2013, 02:58:27 pm »
I tried the Demo Cd on my desktop pc again. The network chip is a Realtek one and it works well.

About the sound, as I already said, it doesn't work. I attach a picture of the "System sound".

The first impressions about the new Demo Cd are positive ones.

but the sound doesn't work on both of them.

Are you sure that the volume is turned up enough to hear sound? I found that it was turned way down (probably to prevent speaker, and ear, damage).

The ACPI on the desktop shows only one processor, instead of 4.

The DEMO is set to use only one processor (not sure why).

I failed to note, in an earlier post, that the realtek wired NIC, on my Lenovo ThinkPad L530, was properly detected, and worked, as expected.

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS demo CD beta 5
« on: December 10, 2013, 09:46:27 pm »
I tried the new demo CD on my laptop and on my desktop.

It booted well on both computers, but the sound doesn't work on both of them.

About the laptop, the network card doesn't work either. Probably the Genm32 driver (which I installed on eCS 2.1) is not included in the demo CD.

The unpacking procedure of the 3 diskettes is faster on the laptop than on the desktop, which has a 4 core processor!

The ACPI on the desktop shows only one processor, instead of 4.

I would like to promote the Demo CD to people.

Events / Re: OS/2 - eCS User Meeting Cologne 30.11.2013
« on: November 28, 2013, 09:10:16 pm »

as time is getting closer we would like to know if and how many people plan to visit this event. So it would be great to have a noncommittal information from those who plan to come - thank you very much in advance!

What we will have there:

- X200T , X230T and Samung Serie 7 Slate will be shown and can be tested by attendes :-) -> eCS on modern hardware
- a Presentation will be held about Installing eCS via Cloning with DFSEE
- WebCam Support will be shown
- time to meet and greet other OS/2 Users
- fun

Hi Sigurd, I can't partecipate at your great initiative in Cologne. Did you arrange something for the recordings?

Thank you.

Article Discussions / Re: ecs 2.2
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:54:32 pm »
Warp, Ben.

It had been hard to do a full open source clone at one shot, by trying to clone kernel, Loader, GPI, PM, SOM, WPS at the same time. Thats why I had been discussing the idea of an open source OS/2 clone based on the idea of Voyager, but focused as first step only to replace the WPS classes with open source clones.

I really think that if we focus on an open source WPS classes replacement over eComStation and Warp 4.52 we can send a good message to the Internet about we are doing positive steps to have an open source clone of OS/2 and get more help.

I posted the comments on the history of my blog Open Warp.

About OSFree, I like a lot htat project because they have choosen a formal open source license. But sadly there are no resources helping on this project, plus, it is also too big for "one shot", it need to develop littler milestones showing components that can be replaced on the working OS/2.

About OS/4 (russian team). I also wish them good luck, but I what I don't like is that they do not use a formal open source license. It is freeware for individual use, and that blocks anybody that wants to do something deeper with that project. I don't know why the russian team working on that project thinks that open source helps big corporation to make money on they efforts.

I think that they do not understand "CopyLeft" (a concept inside the GNU GPL license) which forces everybody to give out the source code of any improvement they do inside the project. So, it does not matter if a corporation or an individual is doing money with open source as long as they give back the source code of the improvements. In other words it does not matter if you are big or small, the source code is the same for everyone and have the same "technical" conditions.

But what I need is to try to build an open source development team that wants to search only for one goal for the moment "A 100% replacement  of the eCS-Warp 4.5 WPS classes".
- Use an open source license (copyleft) to have the rules clear that the source code will belong to all of us (community).
- It does not matter if they only want to focus on one single class, or if they only have 20 minutes at month to help.
- The idea is to reuse the source code that we have from other projects (Xworkplace, HWman, XShadows, etc)
- The idea is that every little effort sum to have a WPS clone.
- Start with anything, it does not matter if it is WPClock or any other, but have an 100% open source replacement of it.


The Voyager Project seemed to be interesting, but perhaps it was another example of ineffective communication.
I agree that clonig the whole system is too much. Replacing the WPS classes could be a good first step of a successful path!

Article Discussions / Re: ecs 2.2
« on: November 07, 2013, 08:36:29 pm »
Most users currently using eCS do so because they like it.  And we are talking about version 2.1.  Which means most things people need actually work.  Admittedly, there are problems with some modern hardware, but ...

So what is it current users really need? And how to attract new users and hence build a stronger financial platform?  My guesses include:
  • Net access, wired and preferably also wireless.
  • Well working key software in an increasingly connected world = well working web browsers and email clients (which we have, but where the age of the current Gecko platform is starting to show).
  • Working VPN/remote computer access (which we really do not have)
  • With JAVA becoming increasingly important (despite some security issues), an updated JAVA (where work is on the way)
With this perspective it could be that scarce developer resources could be better spent not focusing on the operating system itself (i.e., getting eCS 2.2 up and running in a stable way).  In brief - how often do people use suspend and resume compared to accessing some web page with JAVA or Flash?

Or is my lack of computer knowledge revealed by these questions?  Without an updated (and up to date) platform, the tasks of maintaining and developing what most users really need become too large?  And in that case, the current Mensys focus on the platform is well placed.

Let me change gears and talk about something I know more about than computers: economics and strategy.  For worried  current eCS users and for future users, it would be nice if Mensys could share their current thinking with us.  That would make current and prospective users more informed. Some would decide to end their use of eCS.  Others would gradually start using eCS.  We like open source.  But even more, we like transparent strategies.  So Mensys, please end your silence and invite us on your journey.  Without us, I struggle to find a good future for eCS.


We discussed briefly with an Italian developer and asked him which are the possible steps for a complete rewriting of OS/-eCS. I translated that ideas into English and I would like to share them on this newsgroup. I don't intend to start a war, but I would like to stimulate possible constructive ideas. Probably most of you already know such things.

"The problem is, besides the source code, the big number of components, which are not produced by IBM.

Even if we remove/replace such components, there are many problems.

The most important ones:

- recompiling and updating the kernel to 64 bit with readjustment of all data structures. Theoretically, that shouldn't be too complicated, but many kernel’s parts  have been coded in Assembler x86 and that could be a limitation.

The kernel has about 25 years from the 2.1 version and it didn’t get updated since 2006. In spite of that, it is competitive with the most recent kernels.

Besides that, there are components which are really old and didn’t use the features introduced by the CPUs from 2004 until now.

-The same thing for the whole graphic subsystem.

-A complete elimination of the parts written by Micro$oft and a possible replacement with open source components: DOSBox and Virtualization.

-Drivers: The big, complex chapter. In this area we would need a complete change of model. Perhaps we colud use the Linux or BSD driver model as start, but we would need to convert OS/2 for license reasons.

- PM and WPS: SOM is still very powerful and it could be reproduced. The task would be huge and many expert programmers would be required.
PM now has many limits if compared with the past, but its APIs remain a milestone (I am not joking: for completeness, coherence and quality, they beat the Win64 APIs 6-0 6-0 6-0.

- TCP/IP: Even in that area, there would be a need of many programmers for stack's coding. The stack itself derives completely from BSD.
The solution could be taking the BSD's stack, but changing MPTS with something else. In my opinion, the model itself is not bad, but it needs a complete update and an integration with an updated driver support.

- Many other points. We would a lot of programmers. Mensys doesn't have so many resources."

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