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Messages - André Heldoorn

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Internet / Re: Lightning (SM/TB)
« on: November 18, 2017, 03:48:38 am »
It's quite easy different versions of Sm/Tb require specific versions of it's extensions.

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It's not quite easy, because it's still unclear what was (translated DE -> EN:) quick & dirty. The developer's code, what you had to do, and/or the final results.

It's not quite easy, because SM 2.42 was never officially released and apparently has some integrated version. SM 2.35's is 4.0.x, so which version of SM for "OS/2"supports 4.7.x, since you've recommend 4.0.x earlier.

In other words: if I'd want to compile another package for another language, then was there anything special (hidden in the German exchange of answers over here) done by you?

Which version of SM is the target of Lightning 4.7.x?

And, by now, is it useful to consider translating 4.7.x? Or may we as well continue to use (SM 2.35 & 4.0.x) XOR (SM 2.42 & its built-in solution)?

I should have asked it back then, to avoid adding new but rather irrelevant issues by now. For one the question isn't how easy ("quite") it is, according to you or me... :)
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Hardware / Re: Hardware Reports / Reviews - More - MORE !!!!
« on: November 18, 2017, 03:32:15 am »
Just a few random old but useful candidates:

- Toshiba MK2001MPL 2 GiB PC Card hard disk drive.
- All Philips Snow Edition USB 2.0 flash drives, which should support USB 1.x too.
- All Philips Urban Edition USB 2.0 flash drives, which should support USB 1.x too.

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Web applications / Re: Oddities with Youtube.
« on: November 17, 2017, 11:53:03 am »
From what I understand, it was a bad choice on Mozilla's part to use it, even on systems that can read the vsync signal.

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Sure. At least one of the results of the theory of this concept is that several people in our niche market still seem to be using SM 2.35 or FF 38, and have stopped trying to use Mozilla's latest available product for their OS. Scores update: animated dancing bears +1, users -1.
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Article Discussions / Re: Sponsorship needed for new OS/2 web browser
« on: November 17, 2017, 10:44:58 am »
Ignore lists give a great feeling :)

kind regards
Silvan
CTO bww bitwise works GmbH

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No doubt that someone representing an ICT company must have experience with the, according to them, great feeling of ignoring customers in public.
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Internet / Re: Lightning (SM/TB)
« on: November 17, 2017, 10:40:26 am »
I use Seamonkey 2.35 (but not the latest) with Lightning 4.0.x that proved to be the most valuable solution available under OS/2 nowadays.

As time permits I will cook some borscht for Dmitri ;-)

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Same here, but it was unclear why a localized 4.7.x could be better, what you did to localize it, and so on, preferably without having to install and uninstall an EN/US/DE 4.7.x first. SM 2.42 claims to have some integrated Lightning, and apparently upgrading to 4.7.x is not the most valuable solution. I was hoping for some answers and details in the German text, that's all.

I'll refer to os2.russianbrides.com instead, and pretend that a modern OS/2 browser can find this server.
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Internet / Re: Lightning (SM/TB)
« on: November 17, 2017, 10:18:59 am »
But from far behind in my head I remember that you also posted a newer version (4.7.9 ??).

But because you wrote "notdürftig zusammengeschustert" I don't know if it has any advantages about 4.7.8.

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A shared memory. Here the snapshot doesn't link to an expected message, but it was a German discussion @ www.os2world.com/forum. In theory the comments could have been relevant for compilers of other language versions, but "notdürftig zusammengeschustert" is not that clear indeed.
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Web applications / Re: Oddities with Youtube.
« on: November 17, 2017, 10:05:22 am »
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Basicly low frame rate settings of -1, 59, 60, the screen's 75 or 750 (with restarts between attempts) result in not seeing a blinking cursor (URL bar, entry fields of websites) anymore, with an acceptable, normal CPU load. No blinking cursor includes slow screen updates while typing, so "you can type faster than a computer can keep up with".

The default setting of 0 results in a responsive 100% CPU load. I didn't try it that long, but the expected result (if FF45 was anything to go by) is that after a while the system could stop being responsive.

In all cases disabling an add-on (/plug-in / extension / ...) was required to normalize the CPU usage. As such this is acceptable, because here it's Adblock Plus (nice-to-have). I also disbled other add-ons, like ChatZilla.

After the tests I've restored SM 2.35 again, to return to a blinking cursor and a normal, stable CPU load. No blinking cursor is the least worst result of settings <> 0. I only tested the browser component of SM 2.42 R2.
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Article Discussions / Re: Sponsorship needed for new OS/2 web browser
« on: November 17, 2017, 07:54:36 am »
At least we have one "current" compiler for native OS/2: Peter's Iron Spring PL/I compiler. And how about the sleeping beauty of OpenWatcom C/C++?

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And Free Pascal (targets "OS/2 / eComStation" too), recently updated in 2017.
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Internet / Re: Lightning (SM/TB)
« on: November 16, 2017, 04:26:04 pm »
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I do recall an article over here, in German, possibly with an attached German Lightning for SM 2.35/TB 45(?) by Andreas K. ISTR there was some issue, related to an update of SM/TB.

SM 2.42 didn't complain that Lightning 4.0.8 was too old, but what the problem and what was required to create a localized build of a newer Lightning?
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Web applications / Re: Oddities with Youtube.
« on: November 16, 2017, 04:20:05 pm »
Displaying about:addons, with Chatzilla enabled, 90%+ CPU usage. With Chatzilla disabled, 1.2% with the odd peak at 6%. Try it. It does use quite a bit of CPU loading a page but is quite usable.

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No need to upload a i686 copy of FF, because it probably still won't work normally. YMMV, but FF38/SM 2.35 is the last version which works unconditionally.

I've tried SM 2.42 (R2) again. Here the variable magic word isn't ChatZilla. It's Adblock Plus (2.8.2, for FF50-).

The CPU load of a slower Pentium 4 desktop often is less than 1% while browsing about:blank. Unfortunately the bad news is that the next game is guessing a frame rate. Any of 6000, 8000, 10240, 12000 and 14000 results in a hanging session (the C-A-D escape always works), a system which isn't responsive, no cursor, or the extremely slow cursor while typing. As if the CPU load is 100%+, while the system displays a CPU load of 0.4%.

After restoring SM 2.35 and the 2.35 profile its cursor was gone too, so maybe one of the number guessing game rounds failed due to that issue too. With a frame rate setting of 10240 browsing worked fine, but typing didn't.

If VSYNC is the worst of both worlds, by using a slowest rate to obtain a smooth animation, then isn't OS/2 too fast and stable for VSYNC anyway? After all we don't have an OS which halts the browser for several minutes because of some update process, virus scan, unsolicited defrag, and so on. This may be bogus, but I can imagine that VSYNC/2 would execute NOPs like there's no tomorrow, to end up with the worst, but indeed constant, animation speed of both worlds.
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Article Discussions / Re: Sponsorship needed for new OS/2 web browser
« on: November 16, 2017, 01:56:20 pm »
I am advising all my windows using friends to switch off firefox auto update and not touch this with a barge pole.

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Counted blessings of Agile (an extremely bad release is better than no release, while ignoring annoying comments of experts), for people not being management consultants or software engineers paid by the hour: 0 :o

There must be a reason why e.g. ITIL has so define that the customer is satisfied, by definition... :)
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Internet / Re: Torrent - what is actually working???
« on: November 16, 2017, 01:45:11 pm »
I did install CTorrent, but PMFACT will not co-operate with it, it throws a VREXX exception

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Just checking, I'm not using any of the above: with both REXX interpreters?
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Web applications / Re: Oddities with Youtube.
« on: November 16, 2017, 03:53:31 am »
That's weird. Looking at about:buildconfig, they targeted i686 (needed for some atomic instructions, the -march parameter to GCC). Unless you have a different version of mine, an RPM. Check the URL about:buildconfig.

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Well, the name of a *pentium4* file is just a name. A remaining (Pentium 4-) install of the same FF 45.9.0-2, with the same profile, reports: target i386-pc-os2-emx, -march=pentium4.

Illegal instruction, *pentium4* DBG files, -march=pentium4: no typo. Duh...

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As for SeaMonkey, did you try disabling add-ons? Some, especially chatzilla, cause high CPU usage.

It's probably that VSYNC'ish (the worst of both worlds) bug, causes a 100% CPU load while browsing about:blank, becomes a honest ~95% CPU load when a faster T42 is used, and becomes 20%'ish of one of ones multiple cores. So it qualifies as broken.

SM is the most important browser over here. I don't really use FF. The version of FF>=SM. If FF is stable, then I'll upgrade to the matching version of SM too. Normally I would not have downgraded FF and wait for a new version, but installing Pentium 4 OS/2 software has no use at all.

A Pentium III's FF 45.5.0 is not 100% useless. Some add-ons/plug-ins/extensions require such a version. It will take a long while, but after several minutes you should be able to download an on-topicv Youtube video, which wasn't possible with FF38/SM2.35 tools anymore.

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The good news is that dmik is finally getting the tests working and running so hopefully we'll get more stable browser.

Certainly not "we" anymore!

I'm not one of the happy few, which they are targeting by explicit and implicit requirements, based on whatever they are using (including eCS 2.x DE/EN or AOS EN). The bad news is that not everyone shares your standards. They have the freedom of policy to use e.g. -march=pentium4, which is also a great way to reduce the size of the OS/2 community while pretending to write a "FF for OS/2".

There's no need to guess, but maybe a Pentium 4-target was their way to try to solve 0.001% of the "performance issues", which could be the same issue as my 95%-100% CPU load. With such a CPU load no version of FF45 should pass a test.

FWIW, FF 48.0.2 works quite fine with the Pentium III CPU in question. The last non-ESR version of FF which supports a Pentium III. So any performance issue is OS/2 specific. As such the hardware isn't the problem, and OS/2 demands less resources than WinXP.
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Polls / Re: Compatibility with OS/2
« on: November 16, 2017, 01:41:40 am »
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FWIW: DOSBox may seem to be a possible answer to reduce a theoretical workload of 64-bit developers, but it isn't. If you're going to suggest a 64-bit DOSBox to play my collection of legacy DOS games, which may be too slow anyway, then it's very likely that I'll discover a faster 64-bit DOSBox for Windows and never switch to a 64-bit DOSBox for OS/2.

Recently AN did mention adding DOS sound support, which is a better niche market strategy than telling potential new customers that there's such a thing as DOSBox if they want to hear their legacy sounds.

Besides of that, mainly a browser may require a 64-bit environment in the future. Without any 16-bit and 32-bit legacy support I'll have to stop using all of my apps, to browse with a new 64-bit browser, so then I may as well switch to another 64-bit OS and renew all of my apps too.
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Setup & Installation / Re: Spell check in EPM on ArcaOS
« on: November 16, 2017, 01:24:18 am »
I don't know if there is supposed to be the OSLEXAM.DLL (or its equivalent) installed in ArcaOS or not

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Not? I do have a copy of OSLEXAM.DLL too, but not in any eCS 1.2 OS directory. As such it has nothing to do with an OS, EPM is not the editor of e.g. an embedded e-mail client with spell checking, and AN may not want to support all outdated dictionary languages of IBM.

In theory bells and whistles, this ain't a bad one, are candidates for an optional AOS DVD #2. An OS isn't a collection of software, and a default collection of unrelated software can demote competition. Hence the former website BrowserChoice.eu, to make clear that Internet Exploder wasn't the only available webbrowser for Window$. AFAIK there's more than one dictionary solution for OS/2, and IBM Works wasn't installed by default too. IIRC IBM Works was an OS/2 Warp 4 Bonus Pak CD #2 item too.
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