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Storage / Re: About FAT32 and AN
« on: June 10, 2017, 05:42:56 pm »
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Looks like quite a few people are having probs with FAT32 as it comes with AN:

I have had a problem with special characters in the folder, or file, names. They just don't match what the older FAT32 driver , or windows, uses. That can also result in a case where the files "disappear" while copying (they are still there).

Personally, I always turn off EAS. The file system, itself, doesn't support them, and you will have nothing but problems with them, if you try to use that feature (true for older FAT32 versions too).

The easy "fix" is to get FAT32 9.13, from HOBBES, and replace what comes with ArcaOS.. Eventually, somebody will listen to what i tell them, and the problem will be fixed.

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Setup & Installation / Re: Laptop advice please
« on: June 10, 2017, 03:23:35 am »
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My T43P is nearing the end of its life - my it rest in peace.

You can't kill a T43. Only the battery dies.   :-[

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Does the accelerated GRADD for Intel work with the Intel HD4000? (Doug you have an HD3000 - what is your experience?)

Panorama works well, but be sure to get a 1600x900 screen, The 1368x768 screen isn't that great. Acceleration is a moot point, nothing is accelerated any more. Panorama has a buffer that helps, and the machine speed makes up for the rest. SNAP will also work, but it is not accelerated, and doesn't have the buffer.

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Suggestions on which PCIe Mini Card I should get that will work with GenMac?

None of them will work with GENMAC. It is most likely that Intel will be the first to be supported by MultiMac, when it is done (no ETA, yet). MultiMac works well with Intel, and Realtek, wired NICS.

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Any other issues that should steer me to a different machine or I should be aware of?

I am happy with the Lenovo ThinkPad L530 (and my older T510), but it does have problems. Sound sort of woks, but not well (the T510 works with UniAud). Sound is pretty marginal on all laptops, unless you use external speakers anyway. The L530 has a UEFI BIOS, but that hasn't been a problem.

YMMV...

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Applications / Re: Arcaos install
« on: June 06, 2017, 12:17:28 am »
Phil,

I too had issues burning to DVD+R and DVD-R.  After several attempts at creating non-bootable copies, I went to a different machine with a different brand burner and the ISO burned and booted first try.   Strange thing is the first machine burned and even verified the burns using ImgBurn.  Hope you get things worked out.

Speed of burning, and using, or not using, RW media, is pretty much false information. If you have a burner that is working properly, AND you have good media (any type), you should be able to burn a good copy, at full speed, every time. Unfortunately, burners tend to wear out, with use (especially if you use one of those head cleaning things), and media quality has really gone downhill over the past few years. Then there is the problem of dust balls collecting inside the burner. They float around, and get in the road every once in a while. If you can burn, and verify the burn, it should work (but even that is not fool proof). Often, the burner program will verify the burn, as good, as long as it can read it once in a hundred tries. You can hear it doing that, if you listen. Of course, it may not always work when you try to read it again. With audio/video media, it doesn't really matter if there is a glitch. With pure data, it does matter. Slowing down the speed, might prevent dust balls from floating around, but it won't work around a bad drive, or media.

FWIW, I used one DVD-RW for 18 beta versions of ArcaOS, and never had any hint that there was a media problem. One "interesting" thing, that I did see, was that i could see lots of small marks, on the surface, when using a florescent lamp, but I couldn't see any sign of them using a LED lamp.

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Applications / Re: lswitcher
« on: June 05, 2017, 11:43:55 pm »
Its interesting that you were able to install it.   Was that as a widget or its own taskbar?
As a separate taskbar I have seen no corruption on my screen.  I am not sure which version of lswitcher I am using.  But I am using Panorama.

I am using Panorama, and the widget. I have used the widget for some years, and I was having the corruption problem with eCS 2.2b2, but not often. Install has never been a problem.

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Hi Jim. I don't have time to go through this in detail, but i get the impression that your system is similar to my Asus A88XM-A system. Mine works quite well, but I will make a couple of comments.

About using SNAP or Panorama. Panorama is preferred, unless SNAP will run the video in accelerated mode. That probably means video that is 20, or more, years old. SNAP will install to 1024x768, no matter what the video system is capable of., but you can change it using the selections shown, or by using the SNAP tools.

Bottom line: Use Panorama on any modern machine, at least until Arca Noae has a chance to make some serious changes to SNAP.

I also notice that you have an 8 core processor. I am not sure where multiple CPU support stands. I know that 4 cores work, but there have been problems with more than 4. in the past. Try limiting it to 4 cores, until you get it going.

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on-board USB is mostly USB 3, but with USB 2 pass-through ?xUHCD & ?xEHCD

That probably requires a USB 3.x driver, which we do not have, yet. I don't know if disabling USB 3.x actually causes the devices to work in USB 2.0 mode, with a USB 2.0 driver. That doesn't work on my Lenovo ThinkPad L530 (Intel).

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4 port KVM carrying both DVI & VGA, USB keyboard/mouse, 2 switched USB other stuff ports.

I  am not really familiar with KVM switches, but some devices have caused problems for some users, in the past. Try direct connections, until you get it working.

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I am not sure that the MMRE driver is correct for the 8139C, although it *may* be selected by the installer. The MMRE driver is for gigabit NICs, while the 8139 series is 10/100 Mbs. I am pretty sure that the RTSND driver will work with the 8139C. Use NAPS (System Setup-> Network-> adapters and Protocols), to change the driver.

I will remind people, that MMRE is the new, on going, driver for Realtek Gbs NICs. You should NEVER use the ancient R8168 driver, because it can do some nasty tricks, like disable the NIC, until the machine is totally powered down (pull the plug). Even windows, and Linux, failed to turn it back on, for me. I have one realtek NIC that will do some very strange things with the R8169 driver, but all of the Realtek Gbs NICs, that I have, work with the MMRE driver. Strangely, MMRE does claim to support a couple of 8139 10/100 Mbs chips, but I am not so sure that it actually does (I haven't tried it myself).

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It would be interesting to know if the old drivers can be installed in arcaos?

Any driver should work with ArcaOS, if it is designed to work with warp 4. Whether it will work any better than what is supplied with ArcaOS is highly unlikely, but not impossible.

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Applications / Re: lswitcher
« on: June 04, 2017, 02:04:30 am »
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Has anyone else seen this issue?

LSwitcher seems to be the cause of screen corruption, and hangs, on my systems. I tried both the older 2.70 version, and the 2.81 version. No problem installing either one though. I have seen the same problem with the older XCenter, in eCS 2.2b2, but it didn't happen very often. In ArcaOS, it happens far too often, so I quit using it.

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Storage / Re: HPFS and JFS internal definition specifications
« on: June 02, 2017, 05:58:55 pm »
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I contacted Arca Noae about this time last year when I was moving forward toward writing my open source OS/2 kernel replacement.  They were very non-receptive to the idea and it was a difficult email exchange over a week or two.

Well, first off, the kernel is not likely to be a short term project, and AN doesn't have the manpower to manage such a project over the longer term. If you want to do that, and present them with a working kernel, I expect that they would look at it. The main problem being that it would not be certified to the required standards, demanded by many of their customers. I doubt if there are enough OS/2 users left to be able to pull that off. It is also much more important to add things like USB 3.x and WiFi, in the short term, so that people can actually use the product. AN do need to get the basic OS running well enough to keep their customers happy, and that must be done in the short term, with very limited manpower. It must also be done with no possibility that somebody else will claim that their work was copied, or, they need a complete disclaimer that all work is original, and they have full access to whatever is presented to them. They do have contracts with IBM, other software vendors, and customers, that need to be followed. They cannot take any chances on something like a new kernel, that may, or may not, work as expected, in all cases (and they do understand just how difficult that project would be - I wonder if you understand that). It is difficult enough to get enough testing done on things like NIC drivers, to keep customers happy. Writing software is only the beginning of what needs to be done to add parts to a commercial product that may be used in military, and health care, situations, where no failures can be tolerated. Small steps are necessary, to keep OS/2 alive, in the short term, and there aren't enough people to do long term projects, never mind get them certified.

To write a new kernel, you need to start with a description of ALL of the things that you expect it to do. I honestly doubt if anybody on earth could describe all of the things that the OS/2 kernel does. If the new kernel is not 100% compatible, it really cannot be called "OS/2" (in fact, AN uses the name ArcaOS because IBM forbids using "OS/2"). A new kernel that can run OS/2 programs would probably be accepted by a lot of users, but the main, core, customers would not be able to use it until it is properly certified.

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Storage / Re: HPFS and JFS internal definition specifications
« on: June 02, 2017, 04:23:41 pm »
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I'm still waiting to hear back from Martin and the general community on what they think I should pursue.

It may be more useful to discuss the situation with Arca Noae. They are the ones who are driving the platform forward. No point in duplicating what they are doing, and they can use the assistance of a programmer who knows how to do such things.

HPFS and JFS are mature, and working, file systems. FAT32 is never going to work properly, because MS owns it, and won't tell how it actually works. There has been discussion of porting EXT-x file systems (and some others). Whether that would actually be useful, or not, is debatable. Other things are far more important.

IMO, at the moment, USB 3.x might be the best place to go, but Lars Erdmann  is doing most of the USB development, so you may want to talk to him about the possibilities. Arca Noae is doing the "stable" release, mostly based on Lars' work.

The other major need is for WiFi, but I understand that Arca Noae has got that well under way.

Another major project, is to support GUID Partition Table (GPT) disks. I know that Arca Noae has looked at it, but I don't know if any development has been done.

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USB is a complete kludge, and the biggest problem is that nobody ever followed the rules (such as they were). When USB first appeared, IBM went to great pains to follow the hardware, and software, rules, exactly. About 20% of existing USB devices worked with it. After investigating, they found out that Microsoft was writing almost all of the drivers (they also wrote the rules), but they simply opened up the specs to make all devices work (the timing was opened up by about 30% in both hardware, and software).  Even then, not all hardware would work, and Microsoft wouldn't tell anybody else what they did. USB 2.0 showed up, and the rules were rewritten (mostly by Microsoft), and then they again ignored the rules. I have heard that the rules for USB 3.0 were written by Intel, and they are much easier to understand, and follow.

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If an open source USB stack doesn't exist in OS/2 already, I believe I could create one.

The source sort of exists, but it is encumbered by the rules of the IBM drivers. Probably best that you don't get involved with that, if you can make an open source version. I do know that those who are working on USB drivers are tied up in knots, trying to get USB 1.x and 2.0, to work properly. AFAIK, there has been no attempt to make USB 3.x work.

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Networking / Re: Intel 6205 Wireless, GenMAC, GenMU Test, and ArcaOS
« on: June 01, 2017, 08:51:14 pm »
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I see from using wpiview on GenMU_INTEL_WIFI-0-4-6.wpi that the 8086:0891 also uses the netw4x32.reg and netw4x32.sys files.

It actually uses completely different file names in windows. Those files also seem to work, as well as the netw4x32.* files do. the number "4" indicates the version of the windows driver netw5x32.* is newer, but also requires more resources. I have also tried older ones, with the same results, and they are actually more likely to work, until the device needs something that they don't support. Choosing netw4x32.* was a compromise, and some of the packaged (TEST) drivers have multiple copies in them, but only one is configured. They can e selected by editing PROTOCOL.INI.

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GENMAC2.WPI from the eCS2.2beta2 dvd/iso will also need to be installed as v2.20 releases seem to fail to load drivers they do not "know" about.

Not true. The only difference between GENMAC 2.20 and 2.21, is that in 2.21, they left out some of the windows drivers that they couldn't get permission to include. ArcaOS did the same thing, but they also pulled the GENMAC drivers for devices that are now supported by the MultiMac project. Unsupported devices are supported in exactly the same way in both cases. Sometimes they work, and often they don't. System loading seems to have a large effect on whether it works, or not, but that seems to be something in GENMAC, and we don't have the source to be able to fix it. It is known that one of the problems is that the windows driver sometimes overwrites the GENMAC configuration. A couple of people tried to fix that, but it didn't work.

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On my Intel (Dell) 5100 laptop the wireless led comes on just after genmac reports the driver as loaded.

As i said, mine works perfectly, as if there was no cable attached to a wired NIC (I can assign an IP address, and ping it). There is no way to turn on the radio, which effectively attaches the wire. From what I found out, Linux had a program to do that (using ACPI), but it got replaced by something in the Linux kernel, and I can't find the source any more. It is also obvious that windows uses an add on driver to control the radio. About the only thing I didn't try, was to hard wire a switch to the adapter. Since I already had an external WiFi device, that connects to the wired NIC, and AN was working on a proper driver, I didn't bother trying any more.

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Setup & Installation / Re: ArcaOS: Impossible to install!
« on: June 01, 2017, 08:13:11 pm »
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David states that the 2 releases of os2ahci.add v1.32 are identical apart from the bldlevel info

Personally, I believe David.

If I ever knew what motherboard, and processor, that Pete has the problem with, I have forgotten (I see it was posted, after I wrote this). I have also not heard of another user with a problem (or I have forgotten). I use AHCI on multiple AMD processors, and multiple Intel processors, with no problems (with and without UEFI). The most likely source of the problem would be an early BIOS implementation, that was never fixed by the manufacturer (but that doesn't explain the difference that is seen between AHCI 1.32 in eCS b2, and AHCI 1.32, from the AN package). In that case, it would probably be a good idea to switch to IDE mode, and avoid using AHCI.

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That's totally wrong. VirtualBox is quite slow and less acurate compared to other solutions. There is also no integration for OS/2. The guest driver misses all advanced features. The mouse driver integration can only be used in 1 PM session - better not try fullscreen OS/2 or DOS sessions including Win-OS/2-fullscreen.

I did a lot of ArcaOS testing in VBOX under win 10 on my Lenovo ThinkPad T510, using various settings. It works quite well, and performance is only a little slower than in a real machine (in fact, it may be faster in some ways). Not sure what you mean by "less accurate". It either works, or it doesn't. The guest driver doesn't handle shared folders, but network folders work fine. What else is missing? FWIW, I probably didn't try DOS/WIN16 in VBOX.

I do have a problem with VBOX under win 10 on my Lenovo ThinkPad L530, but I am convinced that it is caused by a bad BIOS update. It suddenly broke both ArcaOS and eCS, under VBOX, after the last BIOS update (which I haven't tried to fix, yet).

VBOX under OS/2 has problems, but the new 5.0.6 version works about the same as the old 1.6.1 version, with a winXP guest. Neither one is considered to be more than Alpha code anyway.

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Applications / Re: Firefox 45.5 Install issues
« on: June 01, 2017, 04:28:12 pm »
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This is a WPS bug which can be worked around by using http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/util/wps/movingdesktopobjects100.zip from time to time.

Apparently it is triggered by (but not caused by) using the XCenter Reduce Desktop workarea setting. The movingdesktopobjects thing does "fix" the problem, but that only works when you run it. The trick seems to be to either not use the Reduce Desktop workarea setting, or run movingdesktopobjects at every shutdown. You can do that using the XWorkplace shutdown folder. All it does, is remove the (defective) desktop settings, which are recreated  (correctly) at the next boot. The exposure is that a crash won't run the movingdesktopobjects program, but it also won't save the defective settings.

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Setup & Installation / Re: ArcaOS: Impossible to install!
« on: June 01, 2017, 04:13:09 pm »
I tested ArcaOS on an AMD A6 processor (8 GB, UEFI). AHCI works as it should, and ArcaOS installed with no trouble. I also tested on older quad core, and triple core, AMD processors (2 to 6 GB). AHCI always worked as expected. I do know that you had AHCI problems in the past, and I expect that whatever that was is also causing your problems now. Be sure that you have it set to use AHCI. It may also help if you deselect the Dani driver in the preboot menu, unless you need it for something. If you do need it, driver load order may make a difference (edit CONFIG.SYS, if needed).

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Networking / Re: Intel 6205 Wireless, GenMAC, GenMU Test, and ArcaOS
« on: June 01, 2017, 03:55:15 pm »
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I had a look at the contents of GenMU_INTEL_WIFI-0-4-6.wpi to see

1] If there was any update for my 8086:4232 - I am using a driver from GENMU_TEST-0-2-7.WPI

2] What driver the N6205 uses

I believe the GenMU_INTEL_WIFI-0-4-6.wpi package is newer than the GENMU_TEST-0-2-7.WPI package but the GenMU_INTEL_WIFI-0-4-6.wpi driver listed for the 8086:4232 is older

The TEST packages have been built to properly install the drivers, but nobody has reported that they actually work. The drivers in the other packages have been reported to work, but that doesn't mean that they will work for everybody, under all conditions.

Intel drivers seem to be pretty consistent, but newer drivers are larger, and require more resources, which aren't available in GENMAC. Sometimes, the older drivers will work, while the newer ones won't, even with newer hardware. The ultimate limit seems to have been reached about 4 years ago, and nothing new has been (un)supported since then.

FWIW, I have an Intel WiFi in my Lenovo L530 (8086:0891). I can load the GENMAC driver, and it works exactly like a wired NIC, with no cable attached. The problem that I have with it, is that I can find no way to turn the radio on (which effectively plugs in the wire). I am pretty sure that it would work, if I could get the radio turned on.

Fortunately, I hear that the Arca Noae WiFi driver is in the last stages of development, so support should come alive, in the near future (probably a few months).

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