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#1
Moderator please remove thread.

Thank you.
#2
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Well then you're in agreement with Robert.  If you read Robert's post, he pointed out that OS/2 (and eCS) are more then able to handle the job of running a web site - right now - no need to wait for eCS 2.0 for that.


Godammit "Fahrvenugen", Just when I thought that these may be OS/2 or Windows... this is the response I got.

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Hey.....,

I run Linux on my servers.  CentOS to be exact.

Regards,


Well, having not done much with Linux it looks like it back to the class room/labs....
#3
Hmmmmm...... I found this to have been interesting reading and just in case anyone here is interested in reading it...

Quote[...Application of the term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument fallacy ad hominem.

Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".[11]

Frequently, someone who has been labelled a troll by a group may seek to redeem their reputation by discrediting their opponents, for example by claiming that other members of the group are closed-minded, conspirators, or trolls themselves.

Recently, many websites have openly welcomed and encouraged trolling amongst their members....]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

#4
Hi "Saijin_Naib"; I always liked these spirited "technical" details that yourself, RobertM and others indulge in when it comes to certain topics and I am wondering at this time (while listening in on a TV Program with regards to serious issues affecting some small business here in the USA - going out of business......); and, assuming that applications that are now being talked about in this thread are to be implemented "today" - then, what are some of the other alternative choices to that of the dominant Windows/Internet Explorer one apart from those that can/would be supported by OS/2.

BTW, "Saijin_Naib" - hope that you are not becoming "battle fatigued".  ;D
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[....Besides, your attitude in this post contradicts your more recent post about the viability of choosing a free, open source alternative - which none of the Microsoft endeavors are, or will  be....]


Not really so; and, to the extent that data portability, archiving...are preserved; then, the other over-arching requirements would be for those required for "banking consumption..." and that is basically it.


#6
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QuoteAs for the Lotus stuff, that is more a matter of your own personal choice.  Millions of websites worldwide run just fine without any need for Lotus products.

Otherwise, until something is actually up on the web (aside from in this forum) it is clear that you're talking about vaporware

Well, it just does not make much sense to folks like me if one can get an Office Productivity Suite like IBM's Lotus Symphony for free in these tough economic times

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The New Economy Is Calling

[....First, IT spending in general is likely to come under heavy analysis, which usually happens in any longer-term economic downturn. This directly affects telecom spending across all markets, from large corporations to SMBs. We may see project holds on new deployments of wide-reaching technologies, such as continued TDM-to-IP migrations that haven't already been completed. This Hold/Maintain directive immediately relieves project spending for an indefinite amount of time, and reallocation of those resources can occur.

Second, for projects not already in progress, new deployments are now more likely to move in the direction of open source solutions than ever before. When organizations are faced with a constant demand for technological development, especially in the areas of telecom / convergence, they will want to maximize the feature/cost benefit to the fullest extent. When an equally, if not greater feature set can be delivered for 30% of the investment, it becomes an extremely serious consideration. Remember, organizations struggling financially STILL have to furnish the basic IT needs - these aren't services that can be cut or abstracted away....]

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/34526?netht=rn_102808&nladname=102808dailynewspmal


Then, why spend your scarce IT $$$ on other similar solutions that you have to pay for?

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Quote[....If, like all of their previous offerings, they follow their normal game plan, it will run on IE only, as implied in the portion "will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer" - thus making it a Windows only solution....]

Well, in order to level the playing field (if this is desired to a certain extent)... then, won't the onus be on OS/2 OEMs to get "whatever" they need to get in as must as OS/2 does not have to be exactly like Windows or Linux.... 8)
#8
Hmmm....

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[...Google have embraced Javascript, etc for their online functionality, others have went with the newer version of Java and/or Flash - which are areas which are still lacking under OS/2...]


Now, here comes the hocus pocus...

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Images: Browser-based Office

Microsoft confirmed Tuesday that it will offer new versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint that can run from within a standard Web browser. The browser-based editing capabilities, which the company plans to show off here at the Professional Developers Conference, are being developed in conjunction with the next version of Office, known as Office 14.

This slide shows how the browser-based product, slated to be released next year in a beta version, will let you view a Word document within Internet Explorer. If you want to make changes, open within the Word application itself or click to edit within the browser.

http://news.cnet.com/2300-1012_3-6247288-1.html?tag=mncol


Almost quite sure that this will not run under OS/2.... at least not at this stage of the game perhaps.  8)
#9
And; the anticipation keep building.....  ;)

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Hi,

the latest and full featured version of OpenOffice.org 3.0 is now
available through Ulteo.com using a web browser with a single click of
a mouse. No download or installation process of the productivity suite
is required. This new service by Ulteo offers many benefits for users
of the productivity suite, and is compatible with any operating system
that can run Firefox 2.0+ or Internet Explorer 6.0+.

http://www.ulteo.com/home/ooo

*Instant trial & collaboration*

Introduce OpenOffice.org 3.0 to others via email: invite them from
the Ulteo desktop to discover OpenOffice.org with just one click,on
the "Share" button and can give a personal tour of the program in
realtime. Invitations are sent via email and allow access in either
read only or full edit mode, simply by clicking on a link in the
email.

Using Ulteo's service, users can exploit features of OpenOffice.org
which may be missing from their current desktop software. For example,
OpenOffice.org can read and write Microsoft Office files, and generate
.pdf format files without requiring any additional software.
OpenOffice.org also reads and writes documents in OpenDocument Format,
the ISO-approved standard for office documents, which can only be read
in Microsoft Office after installing a plug-in.

*This new service is provided by Ulteo*

Ulteo powers the online version of OpenOffice.org 3.0:

http://www.ulteo.com/home/ooo

The Ulteo Team. <http://www.ulteo.com/home/ooo>


This development can be awesome; and, as I have never tried to see if it does..... Does (Firefox 3.0.3 (Official) for OS/2) run well on OS/2?

Thanks.
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[.....The initiative was begun after human rights groups and Congress criticized the Internet companies for cooperating with Chinese government censorship and demands for information on dissidents. In addition to laying out the code of conduct, the initiative will provide a nongovernmental forum for the companies and human rights groups to jointly resist demands for censorship....]

http://news.cnet.com/Big-tech-companies-back-global-plan-to-shield-online-speech/2100-1030_3-6247277.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0


What do folks on this forum think about this plan by these tech companies?

Best regards.
#11
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QuoteIf (1) COMFETAR LIVE existed, and (2) Lotus was bought from IBM by Microsoft, then I would see that as possible. But since neither is true, I dont see a relationship. MS's "Cloud Computing" crap (it really is, btw) is simply a method of trying to force people into a subscription model....]

Well, to be honest with you COMFETAR is not directly dependent on either IBM or Microsoft; and, this is so once an FOSS World continue to exist and here we have the OpenOffice and the Linux products at one's disposal. Incidentally, COMFETAR was conceptualize to mimic COMFAR

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COMFAR - the Computer Model for Feasibility Analysis and Reporting

http://www.win2biz.com/comfar/default.htm


with the one of fundamental differences between COMFAR and COMFETAR while being explained/described being "stripped" from this site out of legal concern sometime ago; and, it is questionable how this can be so when no one ought to lay claim to an known "Procedure" and "Formula and Functionality" (ERR) to some.
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Microsoft launches Windows Azure

[......Microsoft first outlined a shift to "Live Services" at an event in San Francisco in 2005. The company has released a few things piecemeal, such as Live Mesh, but Monday's announcement marked the first real discussion of how Microsoft's disparate Internet strategies fit together....]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10076004-75.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0


Well, it looks like this "cloud computing" that Microsoft has been talking about can come in handy for COMFETAR LIVE; and, may be worth giving a try. It will be interesting to know what is the direction of OS/2's-eCS' Development in this "cloud computing" business that companies have been pushing.  8)

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In two days, we handled a third of a million requests (screenshots elsewhere in the forum - on average 90 requests per minute - during busy times, over 200 a minute sustained) with no noticeable CPU usage above the box's normal "do nothing" state. That was on the WSeB box with the quad 550MHz CPUs. Much unlike the quad 2.8GHz Linux machine which constantly complains of going over it's CPU quota (hint, it and it's fan club, iftcommand.com are the only things on the linux box). (saborion2) Please provide a better reason why the website isnt up.


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Hey I'm ...... and I administer .....  I noticed you're looking for help with.....

I just launched ........... and it allows you to setup your own site on my server.  (for free)

Since you already have a domain, you're good to go. 

There's lots of themes to choose from and there's video tutorials to get you familiar with using the stuff.

Here's an example of someone using my server.
...............


Well, from the above you may realize that we may be closer to the date for formal launch that you may want to believe; but, if the server cannot now support IBM's Lotus Notes 8.0, IBM's Lotus Sametime 8.0, Lotus Symphony 1.0 et cetera, et cetera.....and higher then we may not wish to hear anything about it.

In time it will be up. And, we don't think that we necessarily have to wait on eComStation 2.0.

Hence, our desires to play in the most modernized applications' playing fields.
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Thank you very much "kimhav" for that explanation; and, while we are on this subject it will be instructive to know how the questions with regards to

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WHAT IS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY?

(Also)

Why do countries such as the United States, Japan, and The Netherlands protect inventions; literary and artistic works; and symbols, images, names, and designs used in commerce: the information and original expressions of creative individuals known as intellectual property (IP)? They do so because they know safeguarding these property rights fosters economic growth, provides incentives for technological innovation, and attracts investment that will create new jobs and opportunities for all their citizens. The World Bank's Global Economic Prospects Report for 2002 confirmed the growing importance of intellectual property for today's globalized economies, finding that "across the range of income levels, intellectual property rights (IPR) are associated with greater trade and foreign direct investment flows, which in turn translate into faster rates of economic growth."....]

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/intelprp/


along with that of "content ownership" is regarded in Sweden from an international perspective.

Also, for the benefit of the general membership of this forum it will be most interesting to have the views of others from other countries (other than Sweden and the United States of America) and how these issues are regarded it that country.

Thank you.

Kindest regards.
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Intellectual property

[....Intellectual property rights are a bundle of exclusive rights over creations of the mind, both artistic and commercial. The former is covered by copyright laws, which protect creative works, such as books, movies, music, paintings, photographs, and software, and gives the copyright holder exclusive right to control reproduction or adaptation of such works for a certain period of time.....]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property


Does anyone know within what time frame will any rights currently held by Microsoft, IBM et al with regards to "OS/2 4.52 Convenience Pack...." expire; and, to what extent (are there currently); and, will there be "restrictions" (if any) to the OS/2 Developer Communities around the world.

Thank you.