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walking_x:
Martin, where you will find so many volunteers, who can support this project if it will be "opened"? I'm looking around and see no one. :)

And - this is my own opinion, but "open source" now - is only the method of stealing programer`s time and goodwill. Ok, in Linux, were system is "free" for all - it can be used, because it still create a some kind of sum from multiple sources: single authors, companies...

But here? Where everything is payable - even drivers! Opening under "free" licence will make only one thing - a GIFT of complete, workable thing to Mensys. They put own copyright on it and will start to distribute through subscribtion service ;)

And this - after all of this years, when Gorbunov proclaimed OS/4 as "piracy", fight with it everywhere (even with loader, ok - kernel can be questionable).
Do you really think what someone wants to make such gift for such persons?

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Martin Iturbide:
Hi walking_x

Please, look yourself at this platform and community. Do you really see companies/people making millions? Do you see a good supported platform? Do you see a ecosystem of users/developers/companies? Do you see OS2World.com Newsmaster traveling all around the world evangelizing the use of OS/2-eCS and getting a new car?  - I wish :)

No, the reality is that the platform is dying.  How will you solve this?

I personally think that the only way to survive is that everybody put efforts on open source software for this platform, until the day we can have a complete open source replacement for OS/2. At that day we can start creating an ecosystem and people that want to make money with services and software will be able to do so.

Open Source is not stealing programer's time and goodwill. (I disagreed with you on this) If the developer released a software under GNU GPL (copyleft) it forces any other developers to give the source code back. It can help a small software to grow and gain traction.  For example Mensys was forced by license agreement to release the source code of AHCI, XWorkplace updates, MultiMac drivers.  It is not important who sells the binaries, it is important that the source code will be released and anybody can modify it and compile it.

Ex: Mike one day recompiled open source code for Intel network adapters that Mensys ported in Multimac and make the binaries public. Mensys may not liked it, but it was complete legal to do that.  Lesson Learned: It is not a good idea to hide the binaries of open source software.

What you don't want is Mensys to use the OS/4 Loader, that's why OS/4 team don't release it as open source. But Mensys it is not good or bad, it just a player that is selling OS/2 to big customers. It is possible that in 10 or 15 years the companies that buy eCS from Mensys will finally drop OS/2 and selling eCS will no longer be a interesting business. Mensys is a business that wants to sell eCS, but we are a community (OS/2 general community, not only OS2World) that wants to keep using the platform. That is the difference. 

So, what we are going to do? We need to remain as a community, we need to grow and get more users on this community if we ever want to be relevant again (to survive).  The only way for this platform to gain relevance is to became open source, that will finally cut the cord with IBM and as a plus the platform can be free of charge for everybody to use it.  And also turning OS/2 open source in a legal way.

After that a ecosystem can be created when people can start making money with software and services. But only after that.

That's why we need to put efforts today on "Liberating the platform", before everybody here finally drop out.

Let's create a formal and legal open source OS/2 distro that will benefit all of us. Community, OS/4 team, Mensys and  new users.

walking_x:
And what, Eugene? ;)
Can you tell something real instead of robotized reactions? I think, no.
Or I am stole something from you or Mensys? No.
Ok, I am - an author of "QSINIT" - another one kernel loader (NOT OS/4). And I can tell only for myself: this loader was written from scratch (it has completely another structure and features). And I will not publish it under GNU licence :) Though I made this project for fun - it takes 3 years from me - and I won't grant its code to you, especially you.

Martin Iturbide:
Please stop personal attacks.  The discussion between Eugene and OS/4, Sigurd, and everybody else is well know and we are sick of it. 

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