OS/2, eCS & ArcaOS - Technical > Networking
ArcaOS network compatibility with OS/2
Doug Bissett:
--- Quote ---It's not clear, does ArcaOS work with other OS/2 computers in local network?
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Absolutely. It also works with win 10, and *NIX.
--- Quote ---IBMPEERS is absent in ArcaOS. Samba client is installed instead.
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IBMPEERS is not missing, you simply did not select the option, when it was presented, or you chose the easy install, which doesn't always make the best choices, but usually works properly.
--- Quote ---WHY IBMPEERS is disabled by default?
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I don't speak for Arca Noare, but it is simply that SAMBA is far better. Try to copy a 2.5 GB file, or attach to a win 10 network, with IBMPEERS. It isn't going to work. You can still attach to an IBMPEERS network, using the SAMBA client, but you may need to tweak the security stuff (basically turn it off) to be able to do it. It is documented.
--- Quote ---Who made the decision?
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Those who understand what modern networking is all about.
--- Quote ---What to expect in the next version of the OS?
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An even more capable SAMBA, of course. I expect that IBMPEERS will still be there, for those who are stuck in the past..
Use IBMPEERS, if you wish, but I abandoned that a number of years ago. It just isn't capable of handling today's networking requirements. Don't get me wrong, SAMBA does have some problems, but the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages, and it is being developed, while IBMPEERS is not likely to get updated, although there was a fix for something, released not too long ago by Arca Noae. It should be available with an ArcaOS subscription. It is in ArcaOS 5.0.2. It is NOT available for other versions of OS/2 (the contract with IBM forbids it).
Eugene Gorbunoff:
* 80% of people select default options in the installer. So, we can make the conclusion that ArcaOS is installed with Samba client by default, without IBMPEERS.
* I understand that Samba is modern. There is only one question: can you connect to remote OS/2 disk using Samba client?
Doug Bissett:
--- Quote ---* 80% of people select default options in the installer. So, we can make the conclusion that ArcaOS is installed with Samba client by default, without IBMPEERS.
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It is probably less that 40%, if the user has any idea of what they are doing. Yes, it is installed without IBMPEERS. That is something that you need to use the advanced install to select, but why would you want to?
--- Quote ---* I understand that Samba is modern. There is only one question: can you connect to remote OS/2 disk using Samba client?
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Yes. You should also install, and configure, the SAMBA server, so you can present shares to your network. ArcaMapper does share management for remote systems. The client will access IBMPEER networks too, but as I said, you may need to turn off some of the security features. You can run the SAMABA client along side of IBMPEERS, but you can run only one of IBMPEERS and SAMBA server, since they use the same TCP/IP ports. It *may* be possible to run NETBIOS (not NETBIOS over TCPIP) at the same time as SAMBA server, I haven't tried it, and that also has some serious problems, in addition to the file size limit. It won't go through any WiFi, that I have tried.
Roderick Klein:
I will put it more directly and more clear. The peer support in OS/2 is running on its last legs...
While its true it still works with Windows 10 and older versions with Windows. Its going to go away...
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034314/smbv1-is-not-installed-windows-10-and-windows-server-version-1709
The other reason is that the SMB 1 protocol is simply old and insecure. Now on your local LAN at home you will most likely run very little risk. Especially if you run OS/2 the chance of SMB 1 attacks that execute malicious code is small.
Since it would most likely only work on WIndows.
You will be able to use it with eCS and older versions of OS/2 the IBM peer client. But if you are working with multiple OS'es between different computers: SMB 1 is going to fade out. Its most likely easier to getting used to using Samba then that OS/2 users are late at the game (as usual).
So you can still install it but the connectivity problems from Windows to ArcaOS are only going to increase.
Also the amount of devices such NAS'es that used to support SMB 1 will see it being turned off faster and faster.
Hence the reason Samba gets installed by default.
You can BTW use selective install for networking in the install remove folder to install the PEER client.
Neil Waldhauer:
--- Quote from: Doug Bissett on March 08, 2018, 08:20:24 pm ---
--- Quote ---IBMPEERS is absent in ArcaOS. Samba client is installed instead.
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IBMPEERS is not missing, you simply did not select the option, when it was presented, or you chose the easy install, which doesn't always make the best choices, but usually works properly.
--- Quote ---WHY IBMPEERS is disabled by default?
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I don't speak for Arca Noare, but it is simply that SAMBA is far better. Try to copy a 2.5 GB file, or attach to a win 10 network, with IBMPEERS. It isn't going to work. You can still attach to an IBMPEERS network, using the SAMBA client, but you may need to tweak the security stuff (basically turn it off) to be able to do it. It is documented.
--- Quote ---Who made the decision?
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Those who understand what modern networking is all about.
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The original poster asked how to network with eCS 2.2 running IBMPEERS. SAMBA cannot do this. If you try, you'll see a few files, but if the number of files you examine exceeds a couple of hundred, you'll find that SAMBA has failed. Bitwise says SAMBA does not support IBM File and Print Sharing.
OS/2 is not about modern networking. It's about keeping support for a legacy system. If it can also do modern networking, that's a bonus.
I don't think ArcaOS is any different than eCS in supporting the original OS/2 File and Print Client, or IBM Peer Networking.
I welcome SAMBA and will enjoy having the server upgraded to version 4 if that gets done. I think the version 4 client must be good for someone, but most who use multiple Operating Systems on a LAN are going to choose to sit on some other desktop, so the SAMBA Server component is the one that wants upgrading.
As it is, with Samba Server version 3 and Samba Client version 4, there is a little awkwardness in setting up security for a LAN with all ArcaOS computers. IBMPEERS is easier to use and better documented than SAMBA for this case. That said, I use SAMBA for my mixed ArcaOS and eCS LAN.
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