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Doug Clark

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Pen for OS/2
« on: April 12, 2019, 03:58:50 pm »
I am trying to get Pen for OS/2 to install. When I run pinstall.exe (the install program) I get an error message saying "There is an active Pen for OS/2 Install program running. This is not supported."

I believe Sigurd Fastenrath has posted videos of a Samsung table running with Pen for OS/2.

Anyone know how to install Pen?

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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2019, 09:08:57 pm »
I have noticed ArcaOS installs the deamon in the config.sys the same eCS does. Its part of minstall from Netlabs that replaces the IBM minstall versions. IBM minstall does a couple of things (I can not remember which), which you do not want running onr your system. The EXE \MMOS2\mmhelpdd.exe runs as deamon that blocks the old minstall so it does not start.

Now as it turns out Pen for OS/2 and Ultimedia installer from IBM use the same kind of minstall. That is why its blocked.
Kill the process with TOP and you should be able to install Pen for OS/2.

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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2019, 10:00:30 pm »
Thanks you Roderick,

That was exactly the problem.

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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2019, 11:14:30 pm »
Hi Doug.

Which "pen software" are you trying to install? and which hardware are you using?

I have tried a Wacom Bamboo Splash some time ago and worked as a mouse and used "USBECD"

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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2019, 04:25:04 pm »
Which "pen software" are you trying to install? and which hardware are you using?

Is this version? I just created this wiki page.

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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2019, 07:16:42 pm »
Martin,

I was trying to install the Pen for OS/2 base that came on Devcon. Then I found an updated package on Hobbes (which I think you posted) for Warp 4 or later. When I tried that I got the (same) error message. Roderick's suggestion fixed the install issue - which I see is now on the Wiki you created. Thank you. I now have Pen installed - I think. (I got a strange message from IBMLANLK about the drive not being large enough to process the locked files. I suspect that is because of the version of IBMLANLK supplied in the Pen install package - but I don't see any files that didn't get installed so....)

I am using an AceCad  AceCat III tablet. The tablet comes with a driver to use with Pen and a driver for use without Pen. I have been using it without Pen and it works great - basically replicating the functions of a mouse.  But the tablet is small - 5 inches by 5 inches - so using in the mode where the tablet represents the entire desktop is difficult with a large desktop. I wanted to install Pen to find out what other tablets Pen supported and to see how Pen worked, and perhaps upgrade to a larger tablet. But probably not a calcomp 9500 - tempting as that is.

 I have since found out there are other tablets that work with OS/2 which do not have drivers bundled with Pen - such as Wacom Bamboo - thanks for the video link. W.M.Brul (http://home.hccnet.nl/w.m.brul) has some drivers for other tablets - including USB tablets.  I thought my choices were limited to older tablets with a serial port interface, but it appears that is not the case.

The AceCat III tablet is a serial port tablet that is powered by a keyboard port. Since my motherboard (ASUS M5A78L-M USB3) has a header on the board for a serial port and a combo PS/2 keyboard/mouse port I can use the tablet.

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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2019, 12:37:07 am »
My experience with Pen for OS/2 so far:yy

The installer for Pen wants to put the old standard mouse driver (mouse.sys) toward the top of the config.sys file. I am running AOS and have AMOUSE.SYS as my mouse driver - what was installed by AOS. On boot up OS/2 loads MOUSE.SYS first, then throws a message when it gets to AMOUSE.SYS saying it can only load one mouse driver.

On my machine Pen is unstable with MOUSE.SYS. I had a couple of crashes in JFS with Pen installed and using MOUSE.SYS.

However Pen is stable when using AMOUSE.SYS, so far.

AceCad supplies two drivers for the AceCat tablet: a driver for Pen (APENOS2.SYS) and a driver for use without Pen (ACECAD.SYS). The driver for Pen does not work - when installed the computer freezes before the desktop appears on boot up, using either MOUSE.SYS or AMOUSE.SYS. I don't know if this is a problem with the AceCad driver or with Pen itself, or both.

The AceCad driver for use without Pen (ACECAD.SYS) makes the tablet appear to the system as a mouse. You can map the tip and two buttons on the pen to mouse actions, but the system cannot distinguish between a mouse pointer in a field and the pen pointer in a field with this driver.

Pen for OS/2 provides a feature for using a mouse as a pen - which in this case means using a tablet acting as a mouse as a pen. The setting appears on page 2 (added by Pen) of the Timing tab on the Mouse Driver object in System Setup.  When "Enable pause time" is checked, Pen for OS/2 will treat the pointer as a pen until the pen is pressed down (or mouse button one held down) for the amount of "pause time" without any movement.  After the pause time is reached the pointer is transformed into a regular mouse pointer. Before the pause time is reached the pointer acts as a pen - meaning you can enter "gestures" or use it for handwriting.




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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2019, 02:21:54 am »
 Hi Doug,

  Haven't used PenOS/2 for a very long time, but if I remember correctly, Pen installs 2 of it's own drivers one of which (can't remember which) is not SMP safe. You might want to try it with ACPI.PSD /MAXCPU=1 (if you have a multiprocessor) and see if that helps.

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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2019, 07:04:32 pm »
Hi

It is also interesting to see the WPS Classes created by Pen for OS/2 once it is installed (It is the first time I install this). I will check that futher to see if something can be documented for the EDM/2 or the OS2World wiki.

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Re: Pen for OS/2
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2019, 12:25:56 am »
David,

The two drivers are EMI.SYS and EIQOS2.SYS

I just had opening Firefox for a second time in a session crash the system - black screen, no details, rebooted on its own. Never had that happen before. I've had Firefox disappear - which almost always appears to be related to something getting messed up in the profile - but never has FF taken anything else with it. So it looks like you are correct, and I just hadn't hit the issue yet.

So I will REM out those two drivers, leave the rest of Pen installed, and see what happens for a while. The popup keyboard, for example, still works without the drivers. Then I will try each driver one by one and see how that affects different Pen functions.  I will also try the maxcpu=1 just for educational purposes.

Now that I have had Pen installed for a day or so and looked at its features, its value really is for a tablet PC, or perhaps for a convertable tablet/laptop used in tablet mode. For a digitizing tablet with its own driver hooked to a desktop or laptop that has a keyboard, not so much.