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Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« on: October 01, 2019, 10:56:30 pm »
Here it is an interesting article:

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Today, however, Microsoft announced that it is supporting the addition of exFAT to the Linux kernel and publishing the technical specifications for exFAT.

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In addition to wanting it to become part of the Linux kernel, Microsoft also says that it hopes that the exFAT specs will become part of the Open Invention Network’s  Linux definition.

If this is actually true and not a trick, it may solve our issue on why the FAT32 project got forked by Arca Noae. Since the FAT32 project (Netlabs / Valerius) included exFAT support, AN didn't want any reference to it because of the risk on getting sue by Microsoft.  Now it may change, let's see how things evolve on this subject.

References
- https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/28/microsoft-wants-to-bring-exfat-to-the-linux-kernel/
- https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/28/microsoft-wants-its-exfat-file-system-in-the-linux-kernel/
- https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/exfat-specification

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Re: Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2019, 11:33:45 am »
Should be part of linux kernel 5.4 - due before the end of the year... https://itsfoss.com/linux-kernel-5-4/

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Re: Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2019, 03:07:25 pm »
I can't help wondering if this is the 'extend' phase of Microsoft's takeover strategy that always ends with 'extinguish'.  After all Ms has been very well known for its 'Embrace', 'Extend', 'Extinguish' strategy although the US DoJ called it 'embrace, extend, exterminate'.

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Re: Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2019, 03:31:16 pm »
Here it is an interesting article:

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Today, however, Microsoft announced that it is supporting the addition of exFAT to the Linux kernel and publishing the technical specifications for exFAT.

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In addition to wanting it to become part of the Linux kernel, Microsoft also says that it hopes that the exFAT specs will become part of the Open Invention Network’s  Linux definition.

If this is actually true and not a trick, it may solve our issue on why the FAT32 project got forked by Arca Noae. Since the FAT32 project (Netlabs / Valerius) included exFAT support, AN didn't want any reference to it because of the risk on getting sue by Microsoft.  Now it may change, let's see how things evolve on this subject.

References
- https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/28/microsoft-wants-to-bring-exfat-to-the-linux-kernel/
- https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/28/microsoft-wants-its-exfat-file-system-in-the-linux-kernel/
- https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/exfat-specification

So how is this to be interpreted:
https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/28/microsoft-wants-its-exfat-file-system-in-the-linux-kernel/

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To be clear, Microsoft isn’t open-sourcing exFAT — but it is making sure anyone building with Linux can use it. “It’s important to us that the Linux community can make use of exFAT included in the Linux kernel with confidence.”
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Re: Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2019, 04:32:27 pm »
Hi

I understand that MS can even open source exFAT source code under GNU GPL V2, but can still reserve the right of the patent to sue everyone that uses it. But it will depend on the conditions on how they give away the specification to the Linux community. If the conditions apply to every open source software, it will be good for us.

According to the article post by Lars it only applies to the Linux Kernel, which means BSD, OS/2 and other OSes not based in the Linux kernel may have a risk of getting sue. (and there is always a risk)

Here it is ZDNet article: https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-readies-exfat-patents-for-linux-and-open-source/

I would really like to check the conditions of the "Open Invention Network (OIN)". Maybe if AN will turn a member of the OIN will reduce the risk of getting sue. But I don't like that the OIN page says "OIN's mission is to enable Linux", I would prefer to "enable open source"  ;D

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Re: Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2019, 05:12:04 pm »
From: https://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about-us/fact-sheet/

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MISSION:

We enable freedom of action for Open Invention Network community members and users of Linux/OSS-based technology through our patent non-aggression cross-license in the Linux System, which defines the commitment.

We will continue to grow our worldwide membership and the Linux System over time, thereby strengthening our patent non-aggression coverage through the power of the network effect.

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Re: Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2019, 05:57:57 pm »
It would appear that Ms is trying to take over Linux.  It has started by incorporating part of Linux into Win 10 and once everyone is happy about that the trouble will begin - don't forget that Ms claims that both Linux and Android uses some of its patented material and is extorting $$$ from Android phone manufacturers on the strength of that.

I don't see Microsoft changing its ways any time soon especially when people are turning away from Win 10 in favour of Linux.

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Re: Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2019, 06:48:52 pm »
Hi

On the other side, it seems interesting joining the OIN. (You don't need to have any patents)
https://www.openinventionnetwork.com/joining-oin/

Specially for all the patents that the organization has.

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Re: Microsoft wants its exFAT file system in the Linux kernel
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2019, 09:05:31 am »
This also centers around Linux but nothing else.