Update, 2 out of the 10 downloaded programs didn't work with Java 6 and needed already Java 7. 1 of the programs was not intended to be used stand alone and through the website and discussions it was used as a plugin for eclips, and we don't have that. 1 program had a corrupt main directory and couldn't be opened "my way". 1 program did install, but after installation complained about Java 6. 4 out of 10 are to stay, added them to the list. 2 out of 10 does do something with pdf, but are something else. One need mysql, we have that, but need to find out more, because this is new and mysql is new. Up to now I always gave Java programs which needed Java and nothing more. If I can get it running, then there are some more Java programs like Squirrel and so on. One copied to a directory, but reading the sh and bat files, it can be done much easier, have to experiment. Not bad for one night.