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Warpstock 2022 - Personal Remarks

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Martin Iturbide:
Hi

I don't want to discuss the performance of Warpstock 2022, ...
(ok, just one little exception, I liked a lot Alex's presentation (High-Resolution OS/2) since it always produces me a lot of illusion any improvements to the OS/2 GUI)
..., but I wanted to discuss a little bit what I talked to other OS/2 users and what was discussed sometimes between presentations.

1) Almost all the OS/2 users there with their laptops had a router plugged to the Ethernet port. A lot of discussion or which is the router they like, models, etc. So, it was obvious that there is a big need for a wifi driver for the platform.

Maybe even some people there would prefer the wifi driver before the UEFI support. Maybe this is a good example of the "Important" vs "Urgent" necessities. UEFI is important and focus on a long term support strategy, and wifi is urgent and what user requires today.  And Wifi seems to be more required for individual non commercial users, while I don't see the need for commercial and industrial OS/2 equipment for wifi at the moment.  Sorry to make the comparison, but now that UEFI support is almost ready on ArcaOS 5.1, the necessity focus on wifi drivers.

2) The GUI and High Resolutions.
- A need that jumped out from this presentation was that we need to make bigger icons for xCenter. The xCenter size can be increased by the icons there remains small. It may not very difficult to make it but we need a developer to tweak the xCenter code and turn it into a reality.
- The need to improve the size of fonts in one shot (a centralized GUI) for high resolutions was covered by Alex on his presentation, and I hope to see a release of his software for it next year.

3) The dream of the 64 bit kernel
It remained as a lunch conversation, but a solution it is always time consuming, hard, and there are so many different ways to theorize the solution, but all are out of reach because of the cost of making a 64bits kernel with full OS/2 compatibility.

4) The New Browser
- The expectation for the new browser is still there. OS/2 user wants to surf the internet and visit modern sites without issues.
- The extra thing on this subject is that there is also a need for "password saving" tool, and good bookmark tool too.


I was not able to talk to everybody at Warpstock, but I just wanted to share some remarks that adds more things to our "Platform Santa's List".

Feel free to comment and add any other remark that I may missed from Warpstock 2022.

Regards

Rich Walsh:

--- Quote from: Martin Iturbide on December 10, 2022, 05:49:15 pm ---2) The GUI and High Resolutions.
- A need that jumped out from this presentation was that we need to make bigger icons for xCenter. The xCenter size can be increased by the icons there remains small. It may not very difficult to make it but we need a developer to tweak the xCenter code and turn it into a reality.

--- End quote ---

Have you considered talking to XWP's current maintainer about it?

As it happens, it's already on my agenda because...


--- Quote ---- The need to improve the size of fonts in one shot (a centralized GUI) for high resolutions was covered by Alex on his presentation, and I hope to see a release of his software for it next year.

--- End quote ---

I'm working with Alex on this because there's more to  getting fonts changed than a centralized GUI (though it's obviously needed). There's the matter of getting stuff to pay attention to those settings - most notably, XWP. That's why I've spent the last week  ensuring that it's next release will be 100% "font-compliant" and will honor those settings rather than always using 9.WarpSans. I've also updated DTProgram and some other WPS add-ons.

Anyway, implementing full-sized icons in XCenter as part of expanded support for higher resolutions is an obvious enhancement that will happen if at all possible. OTOH, PNG support is highly unlikely (would be nice, but...)

Roderick Klein:
While everybody would have wanted new wireless drivers years ago, the wireless driver development has had setbacks not encountered with other drivers.


This whole venture started with Nickk porting the Linux ethernet driver for Nvidia ethernet chipsets to OS/2.
That was a success. Later this work was picked up by Mensys and ported the E1000 driver to OS/2 and Realtek 1 Gigabit chipset driver.
Work was then performed by David to port the first wireless driver from Linux to OS/2. The first issue is that wireless drivers are way, way, way more complicated then ethernet drivers. A library was written to support all the Linux kernel calls. A lot of time invested in this porting venture but was broken by changes in the Linux kernel. I forgot what these changes where. But it resulted in the wireless drivers being ported from Linux to longer be possible. However David got fer far.

As you know AN switched to using FreeBSD sources to compile NIC drivers on OS/2 a few years ago. And work to port FreeBSD wireless drivers went from there.
From what I understood the FreeBSD kernel made kernel changes that made porting the drivers not possible or at least more difficult.  As Lewis mentioned from Arca Noae at Warpstock in Orlando that David is still working on wireless drivers.

The bottom line is yes we all want wifi drivers. But we could have been there already if it was not for the unforseen setbacks.
UEFI support was coming for more then 10 years. And Intel announced that on 1st of January 2020 CSM support would be withdrawn by Intel.
So its all difficult choices to make...

Roderick

Neil Waldhauer:
I wrote about Travel Routers on ArcaOS in 2021.

http://www.blondeguy.com/TravelRouters.html

Since then, GL.iNet software in my preferred routers has worked intermittently due to lack of support for Firefox 45. Current browsers, including dooble, seem to work fine with all versions of GL.iNet. One attendee at Warpstock used his phone to tell the router to provide service to his laptop.

Sigurd Fastenrath:

--- Quote from: Roderick Klein on December 11, 2022, 03:32:10 pm ---
UEFI support was coming for more then 10 years. And Intel announced that on 1st of January 2020 CSM support would be withdrawn by Intel.
So its all difficult choices to make...

Roderick

--- End quote ---

While there is still a very large amount of hardware that allows installation in the CSM, there have been no new OS/2 WLAN drivers for almost exactly 15 years.

As uninteresting as it may be for industrial customers, this has ultimately been the nail in the coffin for many private users for OS/2 use.

Unfortunately, "It's high on our list, but..." or "Priorities have shifted for the umpteenth time..." were also very counterproductive. It's the same as always: there are lengthy explanations but in the end only facts count: no WLAN for 15 years, it's that simple.

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