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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #90 on: September 07, 2023, 02:30:53 pm »
Now it's my turn on report on hardware.

I had installed ArcaOS 5.1 (UEFI) with Windows 11 dual boot on the "HP Pavillion x360 m3", it is on the OS2World wiki.
Now I need more than ever the Wifi support   ;D (no Ethernet port on this machine)

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2023, 05:09:00 pm »
I wasn't expecting anything specific, just wondering if there might be some improvement in memory management.

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2023, 07:06:21 pm »
I wasn't expecting anything specific, just wondering if there might be some improvement in memory management.

Nope nothing has been modified that I am aware off.
I think the whole introduction of UEFI and GPT is already a very big upgrade for OS/2.

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2023, 08:49:31 pm »
Now it's my turn on report on hardware.

I had installed ArcaOS 5.1 (UEFI) with Windows 11 dual boot on the "HP Pavillion x360 m3", it is on the OS2World wiki.
Now I need more than ever the Wifi support   ;D (no Ethernet port on this machine)

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Time to get a gl.inet portable router..

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2023, 09:23:07 pm »
Hello

What is the solution for a laptop without ethernet port to get the wireless working?
- USB to ethernet first and later one of this routers or "Ethernet to Wifi" adapter?

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2023, 10:31:22 pm »
Yes, I got a USB to Ethernet, and then the Gl.inet portable router. The believe the chipset for the USB->Ethernet needs to be a MOS.

I ordered a Startech USB2105S for the USB-Ethernet adapter, and then added it as a network adapter under ArcaOS. You can order other brands but the chipset needs to be:

  • USBID 9710:7730 Moschip MCS7730
  • USBID 9710:7830 Moschip MCS7830
  • USBID 9710:7832 Moschip MCS7832
  • USBID 0DF6:0021 SiteCom LN030

The USB2105S adapter has the MosChip MCS7830 chipset. Oh and Dooble works great for accessing the Gl.inet's web interface for configuration.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 10:44:02 pm by christech »

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #96 on: September 08, 2023, 03:29:38 pm »
Hello

What is the solution for a laptop without ethernet port to get the wireless working?
- USB to ethernet first and later one of this routers or "Ethernet to Wifi" adapter?

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If you have USB 12.14 installed, have a look at the USBASIX network driver. It seems to support a lot of modern USB to ethernet adapters, including many that are sold as "Docks".
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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #97 on: September 08, 2023, 03:56:13 pm »
Hello

What is the solution for a laptop without ethernet port to get the wireless working?
- USB to ethernet first and later one of this routers or "Ethernet to Wifi" adapter?

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If you have USB 12.14 installed, have a look at the USBASIX network driver. It seems to support a lot of modern USB to ethernet adapters, including many that are sold as "Docks".

ok...ok... ok... I had been living under a stone.
- https://www.arcanoae.com/wp-content/uploads/wiki/ReadMe-USBASIX.txt

Thanks for letting me know about this Neil.

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #98 on: September 08, 2023, 05:29:13 pm »
Hi All

Regarding whether CSM should be on in the BIOS:

I have just purchased a system with a MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX mainboard and found that I cannot boot from SATA attached DVD unless CSM support is Enabled.

The boot options without CSM enabled includes UEFI CD/DVD

With CSM enabled the boot options include both UEFI CD/DVD and CD/DVD

I wonder how many other mainboards have the same setup? - Guess those who installed from USB stick would not have run into this.


Yes, Martin, once I actually install 5.1 I will submit the PCI report - may not be for a week as awaiting an NVMe drive at the moment  :-)


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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #99 on: September 09, 2023, 02:17:54 am »
Hi All

My new system box has a 128Gb SSD with Windows11 installed.

Being aware that Windows can install files in hidden partitions I booted the system using DFSee - how I discovered that CSM needs to be Enabled to boot from CD/DVD on this system - and found the following partitions:-


/dev/sda                                      GPT disk 1

ID     ux     Dr                       Type, description                                                      Format                          Size (Mb)

01                                         Fsp + GPT             hdr/pta                                      -------------                            1.00

01      1                                 EFI System  (ESP)                                                    FAT32                           100.00

02      2                                 MS Reserved (MSR)                                                                                          16.00

03      3     C:                        Windows Basic Data                                                NTFS                       121375.00

04      4                                 Windows Recovery                                                   NTFS                              611.00

05      5                                 Fsp + GPT              pta/hdr                                      -------------                              1.30



I have a 1Tb NVMe arriving in the near future and plan on removing the 128Gb SSD.

The question is: Do I reinstall Windows11 or copy existing install from the 128Gb SSD using DFSee?

Also, What creates the EFI System partition and the starting and finishing Fsp + GPT partitions - or should I copy those as well as the Windows partitions?


Thanks for any/all advice

Pete

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #100 on: September 09, 2023, 06:31:11 am »
I booted the system using DFSee - how I discovered that CSM needs to be Enabled to boot from CD/DVD on this system

It sounds like you and a bunch of other people are about to run into all sorts of avoidable problems for lack of some basic info.

First... there is no such thing as a "UEFI CD/DVD" or a "[CSM] CD/DVD", there are only UEFI and CSM *bootloaders*. The menu gives you a choice of which one you want to use on the mounted optical disk. If the DFSee disk you burned doesn't include a UEFI bootloader (not your doing), then it won't boot in UEFI mode and you'll be forced to use the CSM bootloader that it does have. Had you tried booting an AOS5.1 DVD, its very likely you wouldn't have encountered this problem since it contains both.

Next... TTBOMK, DFSee has never been updated to fully support ArcaOS's GPT implementation. In its current state, DFSee can read and write the entire disk *except* for the partition tables which it can only _read_. Without additional code that talks to the GPT driver (GPT.FLT) and coordinates its activity with LVM, it can not be used as an OS/2 GPT partition editor. You can still use it's other features such as creating partition images or copying them to a new partition, but in the latter case that new partition will have to be created by MiniLVM.

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Do I reinstall Windows11 or copy existing install from the 128Gb SSD using DFSee?

Good question :)  Do you have a Win11 DVD or is this a preinstalled system? If you have an install disk, then do a new install to the NVME drive, letting Win create the ESP (EFI System partition). After it is up and running, then install 5.1 (it isn't at all fussy, as Martin discovered).

Be aware that the issue of Secure Boot will come up during installation. My impression is that if you decline it, your system will be "disadvantaged" in some way (you'll have to check the MS docs to see if this is really the case). If you opt for it, you'll have to register AN's Secure Boot key with your system for the two to coexist. (Doing so manually is pretty easy on a desktop system and likely impossible on a laptop. There's a yet-to-be-released utility that will make it fairly easy on any type of system.)

OTOH, if you have to copy the partitions to the new drive, you're going to need a lot of in-depth knowledge of how Win navigates a GPT drive and how to use 'bcdedit' (or whatever may have replaced it). I'd suggest an exhaustive search on the topic of moving Win11 from one drive to another (it ain't easy!).

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What creates the EFI System partition and the starting and finishing Fsp + GPT partitions

Typically, the util that lays out the disk creates the partition tables and headers, while the OS installer will create the ESP if needed. In AOS 5.1, use the two options on MiniLVM's 'System' menu to create the ESP. It's very likely that your NVME will come formatted as GPT but probably without an ESP.

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should I copy those as well as the Windows partitions?

God forbid! Happily, no self-respecting tool would let you.

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #101 on: September 09, 2023, 06:45:47 am »
I booted the system using DFSee - how I discovered that CSM needs to be Enabled to boot from CD/DVD on this system

It sounds like you and a bunch of other people are about to run into all sorts of avoidable problems for lack of some basic info.

First... there is no such thing as a "UEFI CD/DVD" or a "[CSM] CD/DVD", there are only UEFI and CSM *bootloaders*. The menu gives you a choice of which one you want to use on the mounted optical disk. If the DFSee disk you burned doesn't include a UEFI bootloader (not your doing), then it won't boot in UEFI mode and you'll be forced to use the CSM bootloader that it does have. Had you tried booting an AOS5.1 DVD, its very likely you wouldn't have encountered this problem since it contains both.

My understanding is that on some systems, in UEFI mode,some hardware is left to the OS to init, unlike CSM mode where the BIOS takes care of initializing the hardware, the CD/DVD in this case and is the reason that leaving CSM enabled is recommended, though it varies on the system.

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #102 on: September 09, 2023, 07:36:07 am »
My understanding is that on some systems, in UEFI mode,some hardware is left to the OS to init, unlike CSM mode where the BIOS takes care of initializing the hardware, the CD/DVD in this case and is the reason that leaving CSM enabled is recommended, though it varies on the system.

Your logic has a big hole in it. How can the machine rely on an OS to initialize the CD/DVD when it needs to use the CD/DVD to boot that OS? What you say may be true for non-boot components (it would be nice to know which and on what machines) but it seems highly unlikely in this case (short of a major bug in the firmware). As I mentioned, Peter can confirm this by booting a DVD known to have a UEFI bootloader.

FWIW... dfsee.com says its bootable CD uses "Free DOS" to boot (clearly CSM based) and makes no mention of UEFI.

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #103 on: September 09, 2023, 04:42:53 pm »
Hi All

My new system box has a 128Gb SSD with Windows11 installed.

Being aware that Windows can install files in hidden partitions I booted the system using DFSee - how I discovered that CSM needs to be Enabled to boot from CD/DVD on this system - and found the following partitions:-


/dev/sda                                      GPT disk 1

ID     ux     Dr                       Type, description                                                      Format                          Size (Mb)

01                                         Fsp + GPT             hdr/pta                                      -------------                            1.00

01      1                                 EFI System  (ESP)                                                    FAT32                           100.00

02      2                                 MS Reserved (MSR)                                                                                          16.00

03      3     C:                        Windows Basic Data                                                NTFS                       121375.00

04      4                                 Windows Recovery                                                   NTFS                              611.00

05      5                                 Fsp + GPT              pta/hdr                                      -------------                              1.30



I have a 1Tb NVMe arriving in the near future and plan on removing the 128Gb SSD.

The question is: Do I reinstall Windows11 or copy existing install from the 128Gb SSD using DFSee?

Also, What creates the EFI System partition and the starting and finishing Fsp + GPT partitions - or should I copy those as well as the Windows partitions?


Thanks for any/all advice

Pete

While you could use Dfsee, if you windows 10/11 install has no data on it you can do two things.
Make the Windows disc smaller:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/disk-management/overview-of-disk-management
With a GPT disc layout a breeze!
Do not use this tool on a MBR disc layout....

To reinstall Windows 10 or 11 recover the Windows registration key.
Forgot about Vendor ISO's. If you want to get all the preload garbage from your PC vendor out.
On www.google.com search for windows 11 media creation tool
This tool also exists  for Windows 10,
You can make an ISO file or a bootable USB stick for Windows 10 or Windows 11.

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Re: ArcaOS 5.1 - First Impressions
« Reply #104 on: September 09, 2023, 11:11:46 pm »
Hi

Thanks to Rich and Roderick for their responses.

I suspected the UEFI CD/DVD boot option would need a UEFI boot related file on the CD/DVD in use.

I'm currently downloading the Win11 ISO to perform new installs of Win11, along with ArcaOS5.1, on the NVMe drive - when it arrives.


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