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Brainstorm: What is Next with OS/2 ?
Digi:
--- Quote from: Klafi on March 31, 2025, 11:44:03 am ---How about an OS/2 or ARCOS without Windows and DOS? Wouldn't that be easier?
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I think that DOS (and Win-OS2) should have been thrown out of the system many years ago. :-)
Roderick Klein:
--- Quote from: Eugene Gorbunoff on March 29, 2025, 10:37:15 am ---memory issues:
as I understand, libc uses shared memory.
there were attempts to make it use HighMem.
There were discussions, there were announcements.
there were attempts to patch exe files to use HighMem.
But current situation: you can start Firefox and OpenOffice only 1 time.
if you load this heavy apps then memory is occupied and you should reboot system to use firefox again.
Java VM (I don't remember, does it depend on libc), is consuming low memory too.
Question: what is the current state of libc ? it was modified?
P.S. It's not a claim. I make technical request.
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I think its kernel 14.203 from Arca Noae that resolves this issue. High memory with older kernel (if DLL's are loaded high into memory) and then unloaded the memory is not released.
Using the latest ArcaOS kernel this should work.
Roderick
Roderick Klein:
--- Quote from: Martin Iturbide on March 28, 2025, 01:51:48 pm ---
I still think that we are falling behind in applications. A modern web browser will help on that, since there are a lot of applications that are on the web without the need to install those, and on the other side compiling and porting applications are now starting to get complicated because of the 32bits/Memory limitation.
A Modern Browser and solving the memory limitations are getting more important for new apps.
Regards
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The memory limitation can be solved with magic wand with the current kernel. We might want to wish for this but its not going to happen.
Talk to Steve Levine who helps BWW out with debugging GCC programs. He also helps Paul Smedley to debug programs. But you need to use possibly memory dumps, Thesues and othee tootls to find out WHY a program runs out of memory.
From what I understand from Steve is that for example in the current PHP there is code added to prevent PHP for allocation more memory (Steve if you are reading can you comment please). While not all limitations of 64 bit apps can be resolved some of them can be resolved by digging in the code for example and add checks to prevent it from consuming to much memory. But this is of course time consuming process.
Roderick
Roderick Klein:
--- Quote from: Dave Yeo on March 21, 2025, 04:14:09 pm ---Another up coming problem is IPv6, which luckily for us is taking forever to catch on. Eventually we would need a new network stack.
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Its going to be interesting I would need to have more indications about this. What I see happening i that some modems from ISP have IPv4 emulation and tunnel over IPv6 if I get it correctly.
The company I work still has with 800 people IPv4 internally on the company LAN. I agree a multi protocol stack (Ipv4 and IPv6) might be nice to have but we simply lack the human resources.
From what I understand the old socketsk.sys is 98% recompiled FreeBSD code and 2 is OS/2 specific code. The point being we might be able to port a new stack from FreeBSD.
But this will not be done in month and will require a full time developer.
Roderick
Roderick Klein:
--- Quote from: Martin Iturbide on March 28, 2025, 01:48:44 pm ---Hello
For the moment we have in no specific order:
1) Modern web browser
2) Wifi Driver.
3) Memory issues
4) IPv6.
And side discussion:
1) There is no need to worry because we have virtualization.
2) The dislike of RPM/YUM or FHS.
Regards
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It would be great if Arca Noae can officialy support QEMU as of version 2.92 or 2.94 QEMU now works with ArcaOS. But we would need mouse and clipboard integration.
I think VMworkstation is less attractive with the unknown commercial goals of Broadcom (read VMware). Sorry there ESXi server prices are a pure rip off. Some company customers I know that have seen in 1 year time
the cost of ESXi go up by a factor of 10. I wonder how price competitive VMware (Broadcom products will remain).
Roderick
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