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Sergey Posokhov:
They don't have access because of some people who rock the boat and shouting about software piracy.
Unite together as soon as possible.
Martin Iturbide:
Hi van Leeuwen
Sadly this is something we can not know. Agreements between Mensys and developers are confidential and it very unlikely that we find the details about it.
But I think that many developer only licensed their work (binaries and source code) to Mensys, so both has the right. On that case it is likely to have a future for that development. Plus many of Mensys software was to put together the open source components that are available for OS/2. It was a hard work to put that together but that can be replicated.
I still think that Mensys "Crown Jewel" was ACPI, which is based on an open source Intel ACPI driver, which allows derivative work to be closed. But I don't know how owns the right of that port.
My suggestions to developers is that do not sign any agreements with "eternal copyrights". The fair way to do it, if there is no choice, is that both maintain the property of the source code, and the company that is paying for it has some "time exclusivity" for some years. But of course it will be 1000 times better to have a project that is open source with all the development in the public.
Remember that on this platform the majority of copyrighted non-open source software is now abandonware.
Regards
Andreas Schnellbacher:
--- Quote from: van Leeuwen on June 04, 2014, 09:05:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Andreas Schnellbacher on May 30, 2014, 12:43:14 am ---> Do you have access to the eCS source files repository? Steven surely has.
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There are more people besides Alex and Stev who has access to the repository.
I just download a complete one.
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Hi Jacques,
I guess you mean the repository to build the DVD of. Note that there exists also another source repository, of which the other one contains just compiled files. Fortunately, the amount of that was shrinked by the active people, but it still exists.
Lewis Rosenthal:
Apologies for the really late follow-up to this thread. It seems that somewhere along the line, my notification settings got messed up, so I was unaware that more follow-up had been posted for me, here.
--- Quote from: Boris on June 02, 2014, 08:28:49 am ---If I convince Phoenix to produce a stable retail kernel release, for example, each 200 SVN revisions, I'll really look forward to see OS/4 included in Lewis's OS/2 build.
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This is highly unlikely.
--- Quote from: van Leeuwen on June 04, 2014, 09:05:47 pm ---Do you have access to the eCS source files repository? Steven surely has.
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Unfortunately, Jacques, I'm not in a position to comment on this at the moment.
--- Quote from: Sergey Posokhov on June 05, 2014, 12:30:26 pm ---They don't have access because of some people who rock the boat and shouting about software piracy.
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Code which is owned by other people is not ours to take, modify, sell, or distribute. I would be one of those people "shouting about software piracy." Our goal is to ensure that proper owners receive proper credit, care, and treatment of their code and of their copyrights. Period. OS/2 is a licensing mess, which has only become more difficult to decipher over time. We need to be mindful of that, which is one of the main reasons why we are not currently considering replacing the OS/2 kernel (patching it in memory is another issue altogether, and well beyond the scope of this discussion).
--- Quote from: Martin Iturbide on June 05, 2014, 04:09:58 pm ---I still think that Mensys "Crown Jewel" was ACPI, which is based on an open source Intel ACPI driver, which allows derivative work to be closed. But I don't know how owns the right of that port.
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Without getting into the current copyright status of ACPI, it is surely quite obvious that ACPI is the key to running OS/2 on modern hardware.
--- Quote from: Martin Iturbide on June 05, 2014, 04:09:58 pm ---My suggestions to developers is that do not sign any agreements with "eternal copyrights". The fair way to do it, if there is no choice, is that both maintain the property of the source code, and the company that is paying for it has some "time exclusivity" for some years. But of course it will be 1000 times better to have a project that is open source with all the development in the public.
Remember that on this platform the majority of copyrighted non-open source software is now abandonware.
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Certain projects lend themselves to being open source, while others do not. Our aim is to open source what we can, and respect the rights of others who have chosen (or have had no choice but) to restrict their code under proprietary licenses.
Cheers
Martin Iturbide:
Thanks Lewis for your reply. I hope you can really move forward with this and define your business, community and platform strategy at "Arca Noae" and share it with us when you are ready.
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