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Public Discussions => General Discussion => Topic started by: Digi on February 03, 2020, 11:20:59 am
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Very strange situation with hobbes.nmsu.edu. No access from Russia and Ukraine. From other countries there is access. Letters are ignored and not even accepted by the server. Does anyone have any info on this?
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I'm opening Hobbes successfully in Linux (Firefox 68 and Falkon browsers), via an american VPN. If I try opening Hobbes from OS/2 in
latest Firefox 45 from my own IP address (russian Tele2 cellular provider), it opens, but I got a SSL error:
Secure Connection Failed
The document contains no data.
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
So, it opens from some places even in Russia, but SSL connection fails. Does it require a too latest SSL version?
Is anybody outside Russia and Ukraine able to open Hobbes from OS/2 browsers?
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From Spain, without problems.
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0 SeaMonkey/2.42.9esr
Saludos
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No access from Russia to hobbes.nmsu.edu.
I've try to send them a email and recieved:
<hobbesarchiver@nmsu.edu>: host mailrelay6.nmsu.edu[128.123.34.142] refused to
talk to me: 554-mailrelay6.nmsu.edu 554 Your access to this mail system has
been rejected due to policy.
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hobbes/incoming opens here in France but there is no information as to what the file might be about so most things being uploaded at the moment are a complete mystery as to what they are.
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Use HobbesIncoming (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/incoming/) to access all files in there.
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Use HobbesIncoming (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/incoming/) to access all files in there.
hobbes.nmsu.edu does not work from Russia and Ukraine at all.
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Do any of the mirros work for you?
http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/hobbes/ (http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/hobbes/)
http://crydee.sai.msu.su/archive/ (http://crydee.sai.msu.su/archive/)
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Hi Everyone,
Curtis, the 'maintainer' of hobbes is busy with another project at present, I've thrown some ideas about how to present the text information description files, and access, to him but I can not see anything happening for a 'while' on that front.
I will let him know about the access issues though I suspect they maybe to do with IP ranges being added to the blacklist for uploading scr, php, ISO and other irrelevant files, I've had similar issues with form and DoS attacks from Russia and Ukraine but now most of my banned ranges are China, VietNam and USA so Curtis maybe amicable to relaxing access blacklists when he has time. Hobbes is on a new server, and I know that Curtis has been looking at different ways to secure the server while still giving access to those who use it.
I'll come back to this thread in a couple of weeks time and gather all the information up and let him know.
For those who would rather not go through me, the new Hobbes Archiver email address on the Hobbes server does work (hobbesarchiver at nmsu dot edu) fine for me from Western Australia, so problems could be due to blacklisting or routing issues. I say routing issues because I've been having intermittent packet problems to Europe for the past 3-4 weeks with no access to China.
As pointed out by Wim, you can access the directory directly via https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/incoming/
or FTP via ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming/ using anonymous, and your email address (fake or real) as the password.
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hobbes/incoming opens here in France but there is no information as to what the file might be about so most things being uploaded at the moment are a complete mystery as to what they are.
The txt files show up at ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming/ (http://ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming/), should be a workaround for the SSL errors too.
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ftp access fails too: "Network access denied (65)". So, they seem to ban us by IP, neither http, or ftp or
mail works.
PS: Mirrors of course are very outdated. E.g., ftp://crydee.sai.msu.su was last mirrored in 2017.
Accessing ftp root from a VPN with nftp or Netdrive gives an empty directory listing. Can anybody tell Hobbes admins
that discrimination by territorial attribute is not good. Nobody yet bans USA from russian ftp's, like ftp.osfree.org or
ftp.os2.snc.ru, if we'll begin, would it be good? This will make an additional fragmentation of community, which is
already very small. Everybody tells about mythical "russian hackers", but I doubt that russian OS/2 users are those,
and even that those mythical hackers are interested in visiting Hobbes. So, ordinary OS/2 users will suffer, as always.
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I confirm that access is closed from the Russian address. We have to select a proxy server.
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming/
The connection was reset
Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0
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What about other parts of NMSU https://nmsu.edu/ (https://nmsu.edu/)?
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testing from Russia:
* hobbes.nmsu.edu - Doesn't work during the last few months.
host hobbes.nmsu.edu
hobbes.nmsu.edu = 128.123.88.139
* https://nmsu.edu/ - works fine
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Like Ian said... most likely geo block on the specific hobbes external IP.
An admin must really be sick of attacks until he's blocking a whole range or even country ranges. Unfortunately this could potentially mean legit connections also cannot pass through anymore.
But as for protecting the service, this is, as a temporary measure, a valid tool to keep the services up for all of us.
Imagine hobbes being unaccessible for everybody without the geo block would be bad...
And even worse, if it becomes too expensive to protect and maintain hobbes.....
So.. as a quick fix, they propably banned whole ranges to quickly get rid of the attackers.
For the hobbes admins, I'd recommend using adaptive firewall config tools like [ Fail 2 Ban (http://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page) ].
With this they can unblock all the ranges again, and instead configure a set of rules to *automatically*...
- block each individual IP that does forbidden things at every third or second attempt
- unblock them again after n hours
Using such an auto config tool, the firewall maintains itself and only the bad guys need to stay outside. : )
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Hi Valery,
Nothing personal against any country in particular but some countries do have a habit of allowing people access to whole 255.255.255.0 ranges or bigger and being very slow to act when those ranges are abused :( as to hackers, Russian or otherwise is irrelevant (real hackers would be using bounce services from Romania, VietNam or other country's anyway - just saying), its the bored kiddie scripter's that do more damage to services like Hobbes especially as it has free access to upload files. ISP's have driven down the price of access that they themselves often are no longer interested in abuse reports unless it affects them, which is why so many people block entire ranges, even the entire ranges of one ISP (OVH France was a regular early 2010's).
Policing the upload directory at Hobbes takes time and is dependent on volunteers as there is only one person at nmsu.edu that looks after it, and it is but one of many things on his plate.
I've blacklisted ranges of IP's in Eastern bloc countries in the past but I have also blacklisted ranges from USA, France, Canada, China, Malaysia, Italy, Germany, Seychelles etc. ISP's with new staff are often either far to 'innocent', or the ISP's are happy to take the money while they can get away with it. USA is the largest representive country in my email RBL's at present as they "do not take heed of spam reports unless they are from customers" Amazon are the worse with moving reporting goalposts, followed by sendgrid.net with allowing spammers easy access and claiming that I need to complain to MY upstream ISP, not to them. Both of those companies use ranges scattered all over the place, and are happy to move customers around. Even Microsoft and Google are now only concerned about abuse if it affects their customers, unless it is something large scale that might attract media attention.
It is the resources needed to police services and maintain adherence to a countries laws that so many different 'free' services have given up as it gives no return on effort. I do not want to see Hobbes go in the same direction.
I will see if it is easy to get an IP banned list from hobbes and what we can do to address any access problems to do with those banned IP's. Not promising anything as I'm not Hobbes but if I offer to do the work for them it maybe more likely to happen. I can see what IP address that you and others are posting from so that gives me something to use in checking if I can get access to the list.
The Hobbes server is a different machine to nmsu.edu.
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Hi Ian
I don't know if you have a direct contact with the hobbes archiver, but I'm experiencing an issues that affects me a little bit on posting the news on OS2World.
1) I usually link hobbes files not directly, but with the search URL. Why? because when I post the news the files are on the incoming directory and later moved to a different location. I prefer to put a link to the search so the link don't get outdated with time.
Now I have the problem that the files inside the hobbes incoming directory does not get indexed for the search as it used to work on the past. The search is no longer working for files on the incoming directory.
2) The search link URL has changed from the old hobbes to the new one.
It used to be something like:
- "https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/h-search.php?key=<NameOfTheFile>"
now it is:
- "https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?&search=<NameOfTheFile>"
I think the new one is better (shorter) but it automatically broke the links of the older news on OS2World.com.
It is not a big deal since I can adopt the new URL without problems (and I prefer the new one), but maybe some "forwarder" can be set for links that goes the old search way.
Regards
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Hi Martin,
Will add it to my list :)
It should be possible to alias h-search.php so both URL's will work, I actually thought that Curtis had already done that but it must have been for only incoming.
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Some differences I notice when searching for dfsee.
Background information: in /pub/incoming is dfsee166.zip (not yet processed), and in
/pub/os2/util/disk is dfsee165.zip (already processed).
https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?search=dfsee
gives 3 search results in /pub (!): dfsee165.zip , dfsee165.txt and hdd_vhd.zip (the last one contains the string "dfsee" in the description field, and is in /pub/os2/util/file).
Note that dfsee166.zip (which is in /pub/incoming) is not returned as a search result.
https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?dir=/pub/incoming&search=dfsee
gives zero search results in /pub/incoming , although that is the current location of dfsee166.zip
Conclusion: /pub/incoming seems to be excluded from the search , even when /pub/incoming is passed as the searchpath.
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Hi Tom,
Conclusion: /pub/incoming seems to be excluded from the search , even when /pub/incoming is passed as the searchpath.
That is correct, with people occasionally uploading php, scr, jpg, iso and other non hobbes related files (sometimes copyright protected programs), incoming is on purpose excluded from hobbes internal and external search results. Incoming content is deemed to be of a transient nature.
The majority of people automatically check the incoming directory for the latest files already so it would have been viewed as very minor not to have the contents indexed in the search database.
My websites /incoming and /new directories are also excluded from search indexing but that is because the directories are automatically cleared at the end of every month so the content is transient and should not be included in search engine index's.
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Hi
I also got the feeling that search inside "Long Description" are also not working (the "Long Description is not getting indexed).
For example I try to search for "aic7870.add" and get no results, while this "Long description (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?detail=%2Fpub%2Fos2%2Fsystem%2Fdrivers%2Fscsi%2FAdaptec_AIC-7870_1-0.zip)" has it.
Regards
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Hi Martin
Try without the ".zip" ie just "aic7870"
I seem to recall that hobbes search does not want the ".ext " bit of a filename - works for me.
Regards
Pete
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I can see what IP address that you and others are posting from so that gives me something to use in checking if I can get access to the list.
Exporting IP address lists from forums like OS/2 world and OS2.org seems to be a good idea.
These who active in the forums could receive full access to Hobbes...
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Try without the ".zip" ie just "aic7870"
I seem to recall that hobbes search does not want the ".ext " bit of a filename - works for me.
Hi Pete. I think that without the ".zip" finds the file because it is on the name of it, not in the "longer description". the idea will be that hobbes can also search inside the "long descriptions" so people can find things easily. On the files I uploaded/reorganized, I also tried to include the file name of the driver (like aic7870.add) on the long description to help people that are looking for that specific file.
Regards
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Hi Martin,
Just an observation but is it wise to post drivers for equipment that is no longer manufactured and, I suspect, no longer working?
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At Warpstock 2019, we gave away 8 well preserved IBM PS/2 Computers. All were running. Hobbyists restoring old computer want OS/2. There are people who stockpile old hardware.
And then there are commercial operations who I cannot name still using PS/2 computers.
Keeping the legacy support files is Hobbes mission, or at least one of their missions
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I was thinking of such things as CD drives that are no longer made and when their drive belts break and stop working because there are no replacement parts.
I am all for trying to restore antique systems but as an engineer I find it sad when some things are no longer repairable and must be scrapped. Maybe there needs to be an historical section on hobbes for the software for such items.
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Just an observation but is it wise to post drivers for equipment that is no longer manufactured and, I suspect, no longer working?
Hi Ivan.
I already talk about it on "Martin: please do not upload outdated drivers to Hobbes (https://www.os2world.com/forum/index.php/topic,2280.msg24217.html#msg24217)" (very direct subject).
Regards
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Hi Martin,
What do you think about my idea of an historical section on hobbes as the repository for such items? That way it would make the older items easier to find.
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What do you think about my idea of an historical section on hobbes as the repository for such items? That way it would make the older items easier to find.
That would have its own set of problems as it would require a lot more manual intervention. In saying that, what I have done with os2site.com is to add a subdirectory for old/replaced files.
The main aim of this post however is to let you know that hobbes is being looked at and changes being made.
A web interface for file uploads but still retaining FTP access for uploads/downloads
Looking at a recycle/replaced files area
Add files from incoming to the main file areas at time of upload, this means the files will be added to the database immediately (for searches etc).
I have also mentioned the banned IP's.
Re hobbes mirrors
http://www.os2site.com/mirrors/hobbes.nmsu.edu/ (http://www.os2site.com/mirrors/hobbes.nmsu.edu/) It does require a valid UA browser string or user access but that will change soon as I'm ready to send off os2site.com contents to somewhere that will not require user authentication to access the website. [added: the hobbes mirror at os2site.com is mirrored whenever hobbes incoming directory is cleared]
os2site's incoming directory which does not require user authentication always mirrors hobbes incoming within the time differences, ie, os2site.com's /incoming contents are moved to /new at the end of every month.
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Hi
It is good to see that the incoming directory is moving, but I found a different issue now.
1) Some files on the incoming directory had been processed and are now on the right place, but the "Replace" part is being ignore and the new and old file and being maintained. Did the "README.TEMPLATE" changed?
2) Also the readme template is missing. The pub/incoming/README.TEMPLATE reference on this page (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/uploadpolicy.html) gives you a dead link.
Regards
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I cannot even properly download 2 files (the binary and the text file). It always fails along the way and I cannot rename or remove the broken files. What a lousy piece of sh*t. Nothing works anymore. And it used to work without a problem.
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Hi Lars
Do you have problems upload or downloading? I notice that you uploaded "usbdrv233.zip" fine, but the .txt is an empty file.
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/incoming/
Don't let the frustration to win over you. Hobbes is under some changes these days as far as I know.
Regards
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Download of usbdrv233.zip from Hobbes incoming (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?path=%2Fpub%2Fincoming&sort=date) works. For a special OS/2 Mozilla version, you have to Ctrl+drag the https link to a local folder. Trying to save it via context menu won't work for the combination Hobbes and that OS/2 Mozilla version.
You can also use this link: Hobbes incoming (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/incoming/).
Then the usbdrv233.txt file gets visible. Download works as well, but it has 0 B.
About the rename option in incoming: That used to work only within a limited time frame, I seem to remember that was a few hours only. Note that the browse, download and upload facilities are currently being worked on, as Martin already wrote. If you have already written an email to the maintainer, that's all you can do for now. He usually answers.
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The failure is intermittent. It would attempt to upload usbdrv223.txt but it failed half way. Likewise it will hang when displaying directory content in a FTP client and eventually get it done. It's completely unstable. I never had these problems in the past and it's not a question of some server script failing.
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Hi
I had noticed that some files that are being asked to be removed (with the upload template), do not get removed from the page, but are marked as 0 bytes (so they can not be download).
For example:
https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?path=%2Fpub%2Fos2%2Fsystem%2Fdrivers%2Fvideo (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?path=%2Fpub%2Fos2%2Fsystem%2Fdrivers%2Fvideo)
"gendac_s3.zip" was replaced by "S3_GenDac_patch_1994-05-10.zip". "gendac_s3.zip" still shows on the page but with "0 bytes".
Regards
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The failure is intermittent. It would attempt to upload usbdrv223.txt but it failed half way. ....
Hi
I think I noticed something similar. On my FTP client when I try to upload two files it says :
- Response: 421 There are too many connections from your internet address.
Maybe the ftp upload and number of connections was tighten on the server.
Regards
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I only see this error if I try to connect from my OS/2 guest and the Windows host at the same time (in an act of desperation,placing the files in a shared folder) which is ok and can be expected. But I have these data transfer problems even with only one FTP client connected.
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Clearly Hobbes is still having problems.
I tried to upload a zip and txt pair (ft2v136). The .txt file uploaded successfully, the .zip aborted and ended up a zero-byte file, which defies all attempts to rename, remove, or replace it.
I guess the new server is not ready for general use yet.
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Yes, I had the very same problem.
Using NFTP in passive mode seems to improve the situation but does not completely rectify it.
Alex, can you try NFTP in passive mode and see if that improves the situation ? I'd be interested in the results.
ftp://ftp.ayukov.com/pub/nftp/nftp-1.72.b4-i386-os2.zip
Lars
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Yes, I had the very same problem.
Using NFTP in passive mode seems to improve the situation but does not completely rectify it.
Alex, can you try NFTP in passive mode and see if that improves the situation ? I'd be interested in the results.
ftp://ftp.ayukov.com/pub/nftp/nftp-1.72.b4-i386-os2.zip
Lars
Site not found. Try
http://www.os2site.com/sw/internet/ftp/client/nftp-1.72.b4-i386-os2.zip
http://www.os2site.com/sw/internet/ftp/client/nftp_register.txt
I used to use Netdrive. However, I have not uploaded in a while to know if it still works.
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ftp://ftp.ayukov.com/pub/nftp/nftp-1.72.b4-i386-os2.zip
Try instead http://www.ayukov.com/ftp/nftp/nftp-1.72.b4-i386-os2.zip
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My upload works on 2020-03-16, but the old file was not deleted (replacement was requested) and the .txt file is broken. Both files (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/apps/editors/epm/nepmd121_eng.wpi) were placed (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?path=%2Fpub%2Fos2%2Fapps%2Feditors%2Fepm) correctly. Seems that I will have to contact Curtis again, but I plan a new release for in about two weeks.
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Hi
It would be desirable for me to have the feature of being able to search on hobbes inside the "long description" too. I'm including the filename of some drivers on the long description, so it would be great for someone to search that.
Regards
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For unknown reason, Hobbes tends to break FTP connection leaving zero length files.
Hope they will fix that.
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Use NFTP. That's the only thing that works.
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JFTP works, for me. https://www.jmethods.com/mvn-repo/com/myjavaworld/jftp/5.0.1/jftp-5.0.1-bin.zip (https://www.jmethods.com/mvn-repo/com/myjavaworld/jftp/5.0.1/jftp-5.0.1-bin.zip)
It is a JAVA program, with all of the problems that go along with that, but it does work. Start with:
java -Xmx512m -Xms32m -jar jftp-5.0.1.jar
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Hobbes works in passive mode.
= PASSIVE FTP MODE =
I hope they will not blame me for some trash in "incoming".
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Yes, "passive mode" is the correct answer. I have that enabled in NFTP. I guess any FTP client that supports passive mode can be used.
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Hobbes works in passive mode.
= PASSIVE FTP MODE =
I hope they will not blame me for some trash in "incoming".
No they won't because I also regularly place trash into the incoming directory :)
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Hi
In my case it seemed that some ftp software tries to do multiple ftp connections and hobbes was rejecting those. I set in my ftp client "Maximun number of connections = 1" and I have no problem uploading. It will depend of the ftp client where is that setting.
Regards
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Bonjour,
Instead of opening a new thread I prefer to dig up this one, since this can also be considered as a strange behaviour of Hobbes web interface.
I wonder if anyone here also noticed that since Hobbes went "SSL", the sort option doesn't seem to work anymore ("search=&stype=any&sort=date&dir=%2F"), especially the "sort by date".
Using ISO date format would be easier for this, but anyway I am sure that a good script can deal with a date string. :P
OK. Some will tell me the date field doesn't mean anything with the All Ye Olde Archives posted recently, but still.
Have a nice day you all !
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Guillaume Gay
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Bonjour,
Instead of opening a new thread I prefer to dig up this one, since this can also be considered as a strange behaviour of Hobbes web interface.
I wonder if anyone here also noticed that since Hobbes went "SSL", the sort option doesn't seem to work anymore ("search=&stype=any&sort=date&dir=%2F"), especially the "sort by date".
Using ISO date format would be easier for this, but anyway I am sure that a good script can deal with a date string. :P
OK. Some will tell me the date field doesn't mean anything with the All Ye Olde Archives posted recently, but still.
Have a nice day you all !
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Guillaume Gay
Hey Guillaume
Does this do what you are wanting?
https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?dir=%2F&stype=all&sort=type_date&search=%2F
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Hey Guillaume
Does this do what you are wanting?
https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?dir=%2F&stype=all&sort=type_date&search=%2F
Hi Andy!
Yes, this works better than what is provided by the available search button but for root only, it seems.
Curiously, this does not work from /pub/incoming, pub/java, pub/java/apps, ...
https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/?dir=%2Fpub%2Fincoming&stype=all&sort=type_date&search=
isn't sorted by date.
Something is apparently broken.
<shameless plug>Of course NDFS FTP plugin can show you the remote directory and allows you to sort it like you want with the available DIR arguments, but still.
Hi to Vitali Pelenyov, BTW.</shameless plug> ;)
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Guillaume GAY