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Networking / Re: OS/2, Realtek and NIC drivers
« on: October 10, 2013, 09:01:49 pm »

Two things of note.

ARP -a or netstat -arp in the above posting is reporting the hardware address of a NIC on another machine. This other machine is connected to this one. But there is nothing else given by ARP -a or netstat -arp. I have no idea why this is so, but I'm sure that someone in the OS/2 community does.

Secondly, W7 was able to successfully produce my Adapter Address.

I entered it into the Network Adapter Address entry field for the Mensys RTL driver, (via "Adapters and Protocols"), and rebooted. This time the TCP/IP works... but the Netbios still does not.

Thanks, Neil, it was a good idea, but has not been effective. However, the Physical Address of my onboard NIC is now properly displayed in "netstat -n"... which is something.

Now I have to find that GenMAC RTL driver and see if that works.


But before I do that, there is one more thing of note:

When I first tried the onboard NIC using the rtgnda13 driver that was already installed, (I moved my hardrive from my previous machine to this one), Netbios did not work.

However, when I disabled the onboard NIC and installed my previous NIC in a PCI slot and rebooted, everything worked fine. But I needed that NIC for another machine. I reactivated the onboard NIC and installed the Mensys RTL driver.

Since then, Netbios will not work with either of these NICs; I keep getting that Mugwepop.exe popup when I try to logon the network.

I suspect that installing the Mensys driver altered something else that is not being updated... what that can be I yet, have no idea; time will tell.

Networking / Re: OS/2, Realtek and NIC drivers
« on: October 10, 2013, 08:28:13 pm »
Using "netstat -arp" or "arp -a" yields the following information:

          ARP table contents:

interface     hardware address         IP address   minutes since last use
  lan0       0 :18:e7:18:36:89            2

Note that there seems to be a digit missing; a space between the first zero and the first colon.

I filled this in with another zero, (in the NIC configuration settings in Adapters and Protocols). This caused the TCP/IP and the LAN services, (in this case Netbios), to stop working; before this change, (no entry in the "Network Adapter Address"), TCP/IP worked fine.

Removing the 12 digit hex number brought back the TCP/IP connection... and I am using it to type this message.

At this point I suspect that Neil is on the right track, (at least it is something tangible to work with), but something seems wrong with the adapter address that arp is giving me. I have never seen one with a blank space before.

Of course, I cannot cut and paste the address for the entry field will not accept blanks or colons. It only accepted 0018e7183689... which as I said, doesn't work.

WRT r8169-0.3.1.wpi, I say this; Installation of all drivers went without incident. "Did not work" means everything installed fine and without error, but nothing worked; For the extent of this thread that means no TCP/IP and no Netbios.

I am only interested in those two protocols; the rest are of no value to me.

WRT "bug reports" I have wasted far too much time on that topic.

WRT the "NAPS Tool" I am assuming that you mean the little popup window that prompts the user to select from a choice of available LANs; Lan0 or Lan1, etc.

That pops up and I use it, but if it is broken I have no way of testing it.

I do not have *nix installed; I do have W7 on this same machine.

WRT to this being a report, it is not. It is a troubleshooting and diagnoses session. I would have thought that would have been obvious... to everyone... since this is a Forum and not a Technical Bug Reporting site.

People making bug reports are not programmers, nor do they have ESP. If a programmer wants specific information then use the damn machine that he is trying to work with and send a simple E-mail... or can he only communicate with jargon?

Better yet, make widely available everything that he needs to know and not keep it in his head to make him feel falsely superior as a soothing mechanism for his personal insecurities and inadequacies.

Stop browbeating the user who can only learn things through reading and successful communication and not merely by strong desires that the user become knowledgeable through deep wishes and empty words that communicate nothing of value, but serve to clutter the Internet and to simulate a DoS attack.

Now... back to the topic of importance and relevance.

I will boot to W7 and see if it can give me a better Adapter Address than ARP does.

Networking / Re: OS/2, Realtek and NIC drivers
« on: October 10, 2013, 05:43:10 pm »
Well, what does it mean to say

neither TCP/IP nor MPTN worked


I made no additional adjustments other than adding a "6" to the TCP/IP protocol in the MPTN config to denote "Ethernet".

For me, that has always been enough to get networking cards to work.

Many times with the Realtek drivers, and I mean all of them, I had to specify the Network Address in the driver parameters. Then it worked fine. If this has happened to you, you'd install, get no error messages, and things in general won't work.

More important, if you try netstat -n, you'll discover that the physical address of the network adapter is 0. If you correct this with the Network Address parameter, networking will work well.

OK. I'll give that a go.

One more thing that I thought I had put up here, but haven't;

After my initial replacement of the rtgnd13 driver with the Mensys  one, I started getting a popup window stating;

"UPM0004C:The program failed to start. The Exit code returned from the program is :17"

The above is from the Mugwepop.exe program when startup2.cmd is auto-executed in an XWorkplace Startup Folder.

This has never gone away since the initial driver change post hardware upgrade.

Initially, I took a completely working and configured OS/2 hard drive and moved it directly into this new board... which is an ASUS P5G4IT-M LX Series motherboard.

For those who have been following this, I have reattempted to install the rtgnda13 driver and then the Mensys one, both have yielded the exact same results; TCP/IP works, no MPTN.

I have not yet tried the GenMAC driver; that one is next.

Neil, I just did a "netstat -n" as you suggested and the physical address is indeed set to a whole bunch of zeros!

Now, the question is, how do I find out the physical address, (MAC address), of my card? I have always used "netstat -n" to get it.

Networking / Re: OS/2, Realtek and NIC drivers
« on: October 10, 2013, 01:50:10 am »
By r8169-0.3.1.wpi not working I meant that while it installed without error, with everything in place and as expected, neither TCP/IP nor MPTN worked.

No errors showed up... at least during the install. If there are logs to look at, I know not of them.

Tomorrow I have made time to give this another go.

I will remove all other NICs, (re)activate the onboard chip set and try the three drivers individually. I will jot down any peculiarities and note what works and doesn't work, after setup is complete, and I will post the findings in more detail... hoping to find something to add.

With respect to posting a bug report I say again that after having posted many bug reports, (many of them repeated), over the years, virtually every single, one of them has been a complete waste of time.

IIRC, only one, single, thing that I have ever reported was addressed... and that took many years and five or six bug reports/personal E-mails to the programmer(s). I simply do not have that kind of time to waste. It is a more efficient use of my time to simply go buy new hardware for drivers that I know work.

The obvious and frequent response to that question is that "if you do not report the bugs then don't expect them to get fixed", but like I said, bugs getting fixed by bug reports submitted happens only in dreams; whether I report them or whether I do not, there is no resulting difference! It is like buying a lottery ticket; you are buying "hope"... with no chance to win!.. only an illusion.

While others may have a higher success rate than I have, many, many OS/2 users here and elsewhere, have reported similar in the past.

In fact, I would not at all be surprised if others came out to report similar, and to support my statement via reply to this thread... though I am not encouraging it, because there is no need for redundancy or corroboration; it is common knowledge.

Programmers complain that users do not post bug reports and people who post bug reports stop making them because it is useless.

It is a circle jerk.

I could give many examples with copies of reports and E-mails but, why? It would serve no purpose whatsoever other than to cascade a series of meaningless typing.

Having said that, I most certainly do appreciate every and all minutes anyone has ever spent helping out the OS/2 community whether for pay or for spiritual growth... whatever your definition of that term defines.

And I mean what I say... unlike most people... both the good and the bad. So, now a nit has been picked, and a tick-comb has been used. 8)


Tomorrow I will post my findings... maybe something new will turn up, or a non-obvious, flaky, install will be supplanted by a true one and I will have good news to post. If not... then there is always the "drop test"... but that is a story for another day... and if someone wants to hear it, then they will have to ask! But if you know what the "flotation test" is, then you already know the story... (and you don't). ;)

General Discussion / Re: The Mascot
« on: October 10, 2013, 12:35:54 am »
I remember something vaguely about this elephant and why it came into being.

I believe it was included in the first version of OS/2. It was something like a "nose thumbing" to someone who mocked the developers and said something like, (and I paraphrase), 'OS/2 would happen when elephants learned to dance'.

Thus, it was included in the first editions of OS/2.

That isn't exactly right, but it's something close to it. I'm sure someone else here can make adjustments... if the results warrant the effort.

I also find your mascot name interesting... about as interesting as Rat Ronch... which, (some of you may have noticed), is an anagram for "Art Chron". 8)

It is also mildly interesting that your mascot is a descendant of a mastodon...

All that is left for you to do is to put an "ascot" on it and you'll have a;

"mastadon mascot in an ascot ". 8)

Alright... that's my fun for today. I'm going now...

Networking / Re: OS/2, Realtek and NIC drivers
« on: October 08, 2013, 07:30:12 pm »
You need the RtlChipId.exe program, which is found along side of the "working" driver, in the betazone. Without that information, everybody is guessing about what chip you have. There is a clue, that you have something different, because of the "/8411" entry.


Here it is:

"Found Realtek NIC at bus 3:1:0: 10EC:8169 version 3 (RTL8169sb/8110sb)"

Quote from:  Ben Dragon
At any rate, I'll see how that GenMAC driver does now...

I couldn't get that one to work with the 10EC:8168 version 33 (RTL8168evl/8111evl) device. It did work with the 10EC:8169 version 3 (RTL8169sb/8111sb) device, but only at 100 Mbs. When I tried it at 1000 Mbs, it would trap in GENMAC. You could try updating to the windows driver that comes with it, but that may not work at all. GENMAC is definitely limited, and most newer windows drivers won't work.

I have not had the time yet to test my version on the new machine. All that I can say it that it worked so well these long years that it has been in that I forget it was in there; totally transparent.

Samba won't install under Ubuntu and needs to be beat over the head a few times. I will post the results of the GenMac RTL driver when I have them.

Networking / Re: Remote file browsing and management OS/2 -> Linux
« on: October 07, 2013, 10:27:47 am »
I use rSync successfully for the transfer of numerous, small files and FTP for the large ones; that works well; easy and requires little to no user participation once setup.

I only need something for single file retrieval and basic, simple administration.

I did not know that the SAMBA client will work alongside the OS/2 MPTN servies; I'll give that a try for it sounds like it has potential.

Will post results.

Networking / Re: OS/2, Realtek and NIC drivers
« on: October 07, 2013, 10:19:28 am »

Here is what I got that I can add:

According to PCI.exe I have the following;

Vendor 10ECh Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
Device 8168h RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Command 0007h (I/O Access, Memory Access, BusMaster)
Status 0010h (Has Capabilities List, Fast Timing)
Revision 06h, Header Type 00h, Bus Latency Timer 00h
Self test 00h (Self test not supported)
Cache line size 32 Bytes (8 DWords)
PCI Class Network, type Ethernet
Subsystem ID 84321043h P8P67 and other motherboards
Subsystem Vendor 1043h ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
Address 0 is an I/O Port : D800h
Address 1 is not present or not configured!
Address 2 is a Memory Address (64-bit, Prefetchable) : F8FFF000h
Address 4 is a Memory Address (64-bit, Prefetchable) : F8FF8000h
System IRQ 5, INT# A

The driver I downloaded from the BetaZone is this;


Which doesn't work.

According to the change log in the included readme it is;

v.0.3.1 16-May-2013 - David Azarewicz

Which would indicate that it is the same as your version, Doug, less one day...

Alex, I do believe that I have a copy of the GenMAC driver here running on one of the machines, with an RTL 8169 chipset, (I have had great success with that chip), working without problem. I haven't tried it on this new one, (RTL8111E), so I'll give that a go now, and see how that works.

Doug, I do not have access to Subscription Services though I have in the past; I do not consider it to be a valid expenditure... though I am sure that there are others who will disagree. Also, I do not believe that I should pay to beta test, anything(rather, I should be paid), though I do understand the reasons why Mensys handles it that way.

With regard to reporting software bugs, if I get the time I will do it, but I have found that in the past it produced results about 1 time in 5. Ergo: time wasted. It could have been inadequate reporting, but I have not once been asked for anything additional so...

At any rate, I'll see how that GenMAC driver does now...

Networking / Re: Remote file browsing and management OS/2 -> Linux
« on: October 07, 2013, 02:39:22 am »
Interesting information Dave, thanks for adding it.

My File Server has been up and running for a few weeks now and I had no choice but, to format the drives with ext4 using gpart in order to recognize the full drive; 4Tb.

But EAs aren't the problem for this setup, rather some means of being able to remotely browse deep layers of sub-directories with HUGE numbers of files. I am simply not willing to utilize Samba to solve this problem, because of the LAN-wide new problems I'd have with EAs on OS/2 machines.

Networking / Re: OS/2, Realtek and NIC drivers
« on: October 07, 2013, 12:08:19 am »
Like I said in the above post RTL 8111E. 8) I guess you posted your reply before I updated the post. No matter.

I have since found the driver I heard rumours of, it is the Mensys MultiMac and it lists my NIC. 8)

And strangely enough, I found it on the eComstation BetaZone! a site I had long given up for dead. 8)

Anyway, it works even worse than the Realtek 8169 driver which at least gave me TCP/IP.

Oh, well, unless someone is aware of another driver then I'm dead in the water with respect to that chipset.

Networking / OS/2, Realtek and NIC drivers
« on: October 06, 2013, 11:32:51 pm »
I recently upgraded some of my hardware and my new motherboard has a built-in Realtek PCIe Gigabit NIC.

The RTGNDA13, (version 2.01),  drivers work fine for TCP/IP, however MPTN will not work with it.

I searched online, but could not find a thing.

I heard about some new NIC drivers being developed by Mensys, but I could not find a list.

Has anyone here had any success getting this NIC to work with eCS?


I could not find a better name for the NIC than that, neither in the manual, nor listed in Windows 7 Device Manager, but the board shows a chip labeled "RTL 8111E".

Networking / Re: Remote file browsing and management OS/2 -> Linux
« on: October 06, 2013, 11:23:30 pm »
If I had only one eCS machine on one end and a Linux machine on the other, EAs would be of little import.

However, most of my machines are OS/2 in some variation, (where EAs are important), and you cannot run LAN Services and Samba at the same time; it is one or the other. Switching would simply cause too many problems.

I used Samba for years; I just had to give up on it. EAs, (especially with images), became just too big a problem. The last time I communicated with the authors of the OS/2 port, they were not working on that problem and had no plans to do so.

To do the switch is a lot of screwing around with a lot of machines with little hope of improvement, solving one thing at the cost of another.

It would seem to me that there might be a better way, but a solution is necessary... it is just a matter of what it is going to be.

Maybe trying PureFTP on might work. I mean, if FTPd under OS/2 can do it, surely something is available in Linux... unless whatever is causing my problem is at the core of what makes Linux, Linux.

Really, it is just a matter of me finding the time and dredging up a solution.

I was just hoping that someone else had done the grunt work and thus, could save me the time.

Utilities / Re: PMVNC & Linux?
« on: October 06, 2013, 12:20:54 am »
That's funny... when installed and ran PMVNC 1.04ow it lists itself as being PMVNC 1.03ow.

When I looked the file sizes between the two different versions, they were the same as well as  the dates.

It appears that when the last changes were made, the version number was not incremented... meaning I was using version 1.04ow all along with no indicator that it was otherwise.

Networking / Remote file browsing and management OS/2 -> Linux
« on: October 05, 2013, 11:19:37 pm »
I recently setup Ubuntu as a File Server and for backup purposes. (Major home system revamp.)

So far, so good. I have two 4Tb drives in with one for storage and one for backups.

I can send and backup to the FS using rSync for the numerous small files and FTP/d for the larger files.

VINO/Desktop Sharing/PM VNC takes care of the remote desktop handling, (soon the FS will have no keyboard/monitor).

Now I just have a problem browsing/retrieving/handling/sending individual files while sitting at my main eCS desktop.

For the rest of my network, (all eCS), I have been using File Manager/2 along with NetDrive with the ftp option.

That works GREAT using Peter Moylen's FTPd, but using Ubuntu with vsFTPd or ProFTP, it is an abysmal failure!


Well, it works fine when you are only browsing the first two or three subdirectories; I have only to wait seconds. But, once I hit the next level, it ties up my desktop and I have to wait 20-30 minutes, for it to stop scanning; obviously, that makes it unusable.

I have many, many, files. It isn't a problem on the OS/2 side, because the setup works so well when connecting to an OS/2 machine.

Has anyone seen this problem before and if so, have you found a solution?

Samba is not really an option because my home LAN uses LAN Services a fair bit. It could be replaced with Samba again, (I tried it once before), but Samba has a problem in dealing the EAs; I had to dump it a couple of years back; I won't try again.


Utilities / Re: PMVNC & Linux?
« on: October 05, 2013, 10:56:25 pm »
VINO was already installed on Ubuntu under the same name as with your copy of Mint, Doug: Desktop Sharing.

Works with PM VNC under OS/2 no problem.

Thanks, you saved me some time... which is something I have very little of these days.

I haven't looked into the JAVA equivalents and from what has been said here in this thread, I don't think I'll bother... unless VINO ends up having some hidden faults.

Ian; what's the difference between PM VNC 1.03 and 1.04?

I vaguely remember it being a non step forward or contained some trivial change. Do you, (or anyone), recall if there is any point in "upgrading"?

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