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Title: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Martin Iturbide on November 23, 2016, 10:51:58 pm
Hi

xWorkplace v1.0.11 beta 3 is working fine here.

I'm trying to make xview the default view when I open some folders. I know it can be done with "Open as..." and pressing "Shift" to select the new default.

But I was wondering if there is different way to do the same but from the object properties. Does anybody know if there is other way to do the same?

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Greggory Shaw on November 24, 2016, 02:04:48 am
With Object Desktop 2.0 installed the WPS got caught in a loop after the install the XPS.

After removing OD the install was good, testing now and will try to install OD later.


Looks good so far, thx Rich and all the developers !

Greggory
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: David McKenna on November 24, 2016, 06:09:31 am
 Hi Martin,

  Yes... right click on the folder, then choose 'Properties' then choose the 'Menu' tab, click on 'Open As...' then click the 'Properties' button then in the 'Default Action' drop down menu choose '~XView'.

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Martin Iturbide on November 24, 2016, 02:21:20 pm
Thank for your answers.

I'm going to write it down on the wiki to don't forget about.

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Martin Iturbide on November 24, 2016, 02:55:06 pm
Thanks

I wrote this very quickly to try to don't forget it.

http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Changing_the_Default_View_of_a_Folder (http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Changing_the_Default_View_of_a_Folder)

Let's hope that in a few years I don't forgot where I put it.

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Martin Iturbide on November 24, 2016, 04:00:59 pm
Hi.

I got a different issue.

It seems that the "Big Icon" functionality (I guess it is from Sunny Icons programs) that is included on eCS 2.2 beta is not working with the "xview" view. I can not turn it on and increase the icon size on the xview.

Maybe it will be getting fixed in ArcaOS, but for the moment, with the things that I have, I notice that limitation. 
If someone has the same issue please let me know.

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Rich Walsh on November 25, 2016, 06:59:26 pm
A few comments... but first an apology:

If you tried to installed XWP-Lite, it failed to create any XWP objects. Sorry 'bout that! The problem lies in 'install\instl001.cmd'. The REXX function 'RemoveUnsupportedFeatures' is missing its 'return' statement. Add it, rerun the script, then restart the Desktop.

As to Object Desktop: I have "the good parts" of v1.5 installed but not its folder enhancements. As many times as I've installed XWP on top of it, I've never had any problems. I can only hope that Greggory's problem was a one-time occurrence.

Finally, Sunny Icons... Martin, here are some answers to the questions you emailed me.

My _guess_ is that Sunny Icons just doesn't recognize the files window (on the right) as a WPS folder window, so it doesn't try to draw the icons itself. Xview doesn't get involved in how things are displayed in that window, so it isn't interfering with Sunny Icons.

OTOH, I could see where Sunny Icons might interfere with Xview. The screen shot of its menu shows a lot of options that Xview handles itself _and_ handles in a way that S.I. is unlikely to understand. Even if they work, they probably wouldn't get saved.

I'm sure that Sunny Icons and Xview can be made compatible, but most of the work will have to be done by eCoSoft or whomever maintains it these days.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Martin Iturbide on November 26, 2016, 12:34:51 am
Thanks Rich for the answer. Let's hope that Sunny icons author can fix that to include the xview mode.

For the moment I will dream in technicolor that someday the Sunny Icons author can donate his "big icon" source code to the XWorkplace project :)

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Greggory Shaw on November 26, 2016, 01:16:41 am
As to Object Desktop: I have "the good parts" of v1.5 installed but not its folder enhancements. As many times as I've installed XWP on top of it, I've never had any problems. I can only hope that Greggory's problem was a one-time occurrence.

...

Hi Rich,

Folder enhancement seems to be the problem. I just installed XWP on a new install of eCS 2.2 with Object Desktop 2.0 without folder enhancements and XWP installed without problems.

Could you listed the list good parts of Object Desktop that you recommend and further comment on OD and XWP please !


Greggory
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: David McKenna on November 26, 2016, 03:57:56 pm
 Hi Martin,

  You might want to try the most recent alpha WPSWizard for large icons - it seems to work fine with XView. There is also a gigantic selection of icons to choose for it. A shame it was never fully completed, but it does work reliably...

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Greggory Shaw on November 28, 2016, 08:58:41 am
Think I found a bug with splitview, can someone else try this.

Open up a folder with splitview enabled.

Try to copy/move  anoterh folder, the folder with splitview does not show in the  dialog.


Greggory
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Mo on November 28, 2016, 10:14:37 am
Yes i can confirm. Noticed the same behaviour.

Think I found a bug with splitview, can someone else try this.

Open up a folder with splitview enabled.

Try to copy/move  anoterh folder, the folder with splitview does not show in the  dialog.


Greggory
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Martin Iturbide on November 28, 2016, 04:26:52 pm

You might want to try the most recent alpha WPSWizard for large icons - it seems to work fine with XView. There is also a gigantic selection of icons to choose for it. A shame it was never fully completed, but it does work reliably...

Yes, I will try WPS-Wizard again to see how it works with xWorkplace. I had some issues with WPS-Wizard in the past, I don't know exactly which feature of the program made my WPS unstable. But since this is on my experimental VM I will keep trying.

Drifting away from the topic, I also think that WPS-Wizard had a better idea how to integrate the bigger icons on the WPS compared to "Sunny Icons / PNG Desktop". On WPS-Wizard instead of creating a "Big Icon" property, it override the "Icon" functionality of the WPS, make it more organized on the element properties.

There are also some other simple visual things on "Sunny Icons / PNG Desktop" that can be improved. (Check screenshot)

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Rich Walsh on November 29, 2016, 04:16:51 am
Think I found a bug with splitview, can someone else try this.
Open up a folder with splitview enabled.
Try to copy/move  anoterh folder, the folder with splitview does not show in the  dialog.

From the "OS/2 Developers" mailing list:

On Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:20:25 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote:

>here's a bug in Split View.
>
>Open any folder in split view. Right click on a file and select "Copy".
>The list of folders that pops up does not include the one you're
>copying from.

Deep in the undocumented bowels of the WPS lies code with no
public interface that appears to limit this listing to views it knows
about (icon/tree/details). As such, I'd have to categorize this one
as "can't fix (except by dumb luck)".

Rich Walsh
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on November 29, 2016, 09:35:09 pm
Defining folder in view 1/4 favotite folder, provides a link menu to that folder that fails

The problem is that the favorite-folder, if I select it from the right mouse, displays the contents of the folder, and if it is a program opens it, and if it is another folder shows its contents.
The program would not have to execute anything.

Skip much where it is selected, the menu, according to the corner of the screen, and the contents of the folder.

Saludos
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 01, 2016, 07:31:42 pm
Another problem, I can not copy with drag & drop an icon from one object to another.
saludos
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Oxyd on December 02, 2016, 02:44:29 am
Another problem, I can not copy with drag & drop an icon from one object to another.
saludos
Strange. It works on my system.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Rich Walsh on December 02, 2016, 05:56:58 am
I can not copy with drag & drop an icon from one object to another.

I think I would be the first person to notice if drag & drop didn't work :)  Still, I did a lot of testing after I read this and could not find any problem. When something so basic like this stops working, it may be time to reboot.

Defining folder in view 1/4 favotite folder, provides a link menu to that folder that fails

The problem is that the favorite-folder, if I select it from the right mouse, displays the contents of the folder, and if it is a program opens it, and if it is another folder shows its contents.
The program would not have to execute anything.

Skip much where it is selected, the menu, according to the corner of the screen, and the contents of the folder.

I have spent several days trying to understand your posting - and I still have no idea what is wrong. I even uninstalled XWP-Lite and installed the full version so I could do some testing. Everything worked exactly as I expected.

Are you trying to say that a right-click on the _name_ of the favorite folder doesn't open it? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it is supposed to do that - it is only supposed to show you a menu with the contents of that folder.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 02, 2016, 04:51:52 pm
I think I would be the first person to notice if drag & drop didn't work :)  Still, I did a lot of testing after I read this and could not find any problem. When something so basic like this stops working, it may be time to reboot.
I firts open firefox.exe -properties-icon-
Second open firefox.cmd - properties-icon-
and drag & drop the firts icon over the second icon (I can not made this)

After your comments, I see that I can made drag&drop from the firefox.exe file icon, without open properties, and drop in icon second firefox.cmd without problems.
Saludos


Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 02, 2016, 05:48:54 pm
Quote
I have spent several days trying to understand your posting - and I still have no idea what is wrong.
Sorry, I will try to explain it again
Quote
Are you trying to say that a right-click on the _name_ of the favorite folder doesn't open it?
No, open and make a new click (which I have not clicked)

New explain:
I have the standard Desktop, without any folder or program, all the programs and folders are in NEWDESKTOP folder, inside the desktop.
If I set the desktop folder as my favorite, and the newdesktop folder as my favorite too.
When I frame with the left mouse over the desktop arrow, it shows me -> newdesktop (is ok here), but if I click again over newdesktop ->Three possible things happen, a, b, c
(The correct thing would be to display the content,for a new selection)
a-It shows me the content and the focus is placed on the first ACPI folder, in this case.

b-If when displaying the menu, the mouse is on a folder, it is displayed with its contents. (This is not correct, )
c-If when displaying the menu, the mouse is on a program, it start the program without show the menu of options. (This is not correct)

The three cases are the same problem, when I only do 1 click, the program is as if it interpreted 2 clicks. Or something similar.

Saludos
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on December 02, 2016, 11:42:59 pm
Maybe you are referring to the 'Create another' menu, but I don't understand anything.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: ivan on December 03, 2016, 12:08:02 am
It would help if you gave some screen shots of what you are talking about because I don't understand either.

Yes, the desktop is a folder so where are you hiding this 'newdesktop'?
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 03, 2016, 01:12:29 am
I attach photo.
The green ligth is a folder with tittle NewDesktop, and is mark as favorite folder.
In this case the mouse pointer is over freeMind 08 folder and display the folder files, but this have to be in another click.
The problem is, if I select (rigth mouse click)in another folder (watcom) in other point in the window, and the mouse pointer is over a program Backup-os2ini this program start, and no show me menu. Or show it for a micro second, and open the program that i do not want to open.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 03, 2016, 01:26:33 am
In this other c.jpg photo. I push rigth mouse one click over pmview folder, open the menu, click in point of mouse pointer, and open the program othello.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 03, 2016, 01:37:35 am
If you see the photo b.jpg the program othello in the menu is in the point of the program lbreakout2.exe and the mouse pointer is over lbreakout2.exe
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 03, 2016, 04:51:14 am
In the photo a.jpg. You see the mouse pointer outside the menu, and in this case the focus of the program is in the ACPI folder .. and it is correct.

In the resumen.jpg photo, I put the position of the mouse pointer in the three points A, B, C
If the mouse pointer in B opens another folder that I have not clicked, it is because the program xwps, is entering a click, or an intro, or enter.
In position C, if the xwps, click another click, as it is logical I open the menu that I do not see open, and othello.exe is started.
In position A, nothing happens and everything is fine, because there is no folder or program on which to act, although the xwps, click another intro

The three cases are different, but in my opinion the problem is the same.One click.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 03, 2016, 09:30:18 pm
The solution to this problem is very simple, it is about pressing the mouse and holding it down, and do not release it until you select an option. Then the active opening is the release of the mouse.
It makes me weird that someone has decided to do it this way.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: ivan on December 04, 2016, 01:12:12 am
It sounds as if there is something very strange going on with your mouse rather than xWorkplace.  We don't see what you are seeing on any of our 25 machines.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 04, 2016, 10:47:42 am
No, I do not have any problems with the mouse.
I commented that the problem was two clicks, and indeed it was that. One click when clicking and another click when releasing the mouse.

If you want to repeat the problem in your 25 machines is very easy to see, if you have installed ecenter.
Enlarge the graphics of the processors, in order to move to the right of the screen the SYSTEM SETUP, one click in system setup, and one click in fonts.
And now you repeat it by holding down the second click in fonts.
It's clearly not the same.
In one case you select the font you want to open, and in the other one opens a font to draw.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: ivan on December 04, 2016, 11:41:30 am
Sorry but uou do have a hardware problem with your mouse.  A mouse is not designed to register a click on both button down and button up (OK, there are a few very specialist ones that are hardware settable to change from one to the other).

Try another mouse as a test, or if this is a touch pad try a USB mouse.

I assume ecentre is the eCS equivalent of WarpCentre which we use (WSeB in use here).  Doing what you describe I get what I expect to get when clicking on 'Fonts', a list of the fonts (that is what the arrow at the right edge of the dropdown indicates.  If it had been an arrow in a box I would expect clicking on the name would start the first program or clicking on the arrow in the box would allow the selection of another item in the resulting dropdown. 
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 04, 2016, 02:57:14 pm
This problem only occurs under certain circumstances. And it is when the menu that opens, is mounted above the mouse pointer. And of course I have about 100 fonts. If you are only 20, your menu will be smaller, and you may not see it. In fact if I decreased the size of the graphics bar of processors, I do not have the problem either. But by increasing the size, and moving it to the right the system setup, I am forcing to the fonts menu to be mounted on the mouse pointer.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: ivan on December 04, 2016, 10:37:43 pm
I still can't reproduce what you are seeing and I have 105 fonts on this particular machine that we use for producing technical manuals.

I continus to yhink it is a hardware problem with your mouse.  The mouse should only send one signal to the controller software and that is generally when the button is down.  The button up signal should be suppressed both by the hardware and the controller software.  What you are describing is a button down signal and a button up signal from your mouse which, unless you are using a very expensive industrial programmable unit, only happens when the signal shaping chip in the mouse is faulty.

Have you tried your test with a different mouse yet? 
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 05, 2016, 05:12:11 pm
It seems like an example from the folder fonts, it has not been the best. In my work I have tested with two pcs, and one failed, and the other did not. The one that did not fail had a higher screen resolution. The one that failed, corrected the fault by holding down the mouse.
In my opinion this program is designed to keep the mouse pressed. Among other reasons because it does not fail. It allows you to move at an incredible speed by folders and files, if you hold the mouse, that if the last file or program that you select will be the one that opens, when you up boton.
What is clear is that this failure has nothing to do with the XWP v1.0.11beta3, since in any of the computers where the proved today, had this application installed.

This problem only occurs under certain circumstances. And it is when the menu that opens, is mounted above the mouse pointer.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Oxyd on December 07, 2016, 04:15:17 am
Hi

xWorkplace v1.0.11 beta 3 is working fine here.

I'm trying to make xview the default view when I open some folders. I know it can be done with "Open as..." and pressing "Shift" to select the new default.

But I was wondering if there is different way to do the same but from the object properties. Does anybody know if there is other way to do the same?

Regards
Best way: Open standart XWorkplace object "Workplace Shell" Go to "Folder Views" tab, and set XView as default view of dirs.
See attached pic...
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: Martin Iturbide on December 07, 2016, 05:28:16 pm
Thanks for updating the Wiki article (http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Changing_the_Default_View_of_a_Folder) Vadim.

Regards
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 09, 2016, 08:41:52 pm
It happens to me that I can not dial as default -xview-
It could be that I have the corrupt in inis files.

But I wanted to comment on another problem, which is that after starting the system and with all programs closed. If I execute using the WPS search function (right click on a folder/desktop and choose find)
If I search for a file.txt the name of the file no is important, in 5 partitions less that 30gb no have problems. But in other more big partition that have the unix-root in it. 255gb free 150gb. aproximate.
The graphics of the processors moves to the maximum, if I leave the system ends up hanging, but if I remove the usb-mouse and insert it again continuous. But forcing me to take out and re-enter the usb.
But on another boot partition, without having xwp-v1011 installed, the problem is the same.
Does this happen to anyone else?
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 14, 2016, 10:42:00 pm
But I wanted to comment on another problem, which is that after starting the system and with all programs closed. If I execute using the WPS search function (right click on a folder/desktop and choose find)
If I search for a file.txt the name of the file no is important, in 5 partitions less that 30gb no have problems. But in other more big partition that have the unix-root in it. 255gb free 150gb. aproximate.
The graphics of the processors moves to the maximum, if I leave the system ends up hanging, but if I remove the usb-mouse and insert it again continuous. But forcing me to take out and re-enter the usb.
After deinstall this files the problem is solved
23:06:14.99 Done with package "netlabs.org\Qt4\SysTray\100\1\1\843"
23:06:14.99 Deinstalling package "netlabs.org\Qt4\SysTrayDLL\100\1\1\843"
23:06:15.05     Deleted file "C:\ecs\dll\xsystray.dll"
23:06:15.05     Removed package "netlabs.org\Qt4\SysTrayDLL\100\1\1\843" from the database
23:06:15.05 Done with package "netlabs.org\Qt4\SysTrayDLL\100\1\1\843"
23:06:15.05 WarpIN Database thread is exiting
23:06:38.06 WarpIN Database thread started
23:06:38.06 Deinstalling package "netlabs.org\Qt4\SysTray\100\1\1\843"
23:06:43.93     Deleted file "C:\ECS\SYSTEM\eWPS\plugins\xcenter\xsystray.dll"
23:06:43.93     Removed package "netlabs.org\Qt4\SysTray\100\1\1\843" from the database
Is it possible that as the dlls are duplicated, the error occurs?
In fact I remember that in some searches I showed two file shadows when there was only one.
Title: Re: XWP (xWorkplace) v1.0.11 beta3 Comments
Post by: roberto on December 16, 2016, 10:15:41 am
After locate the problem in same qt programs.
I reinstal the system, xfix the inis and reinstall xwp1011.
And xwp1011 help me for locate the problem in *extended atribb* in error in qt programs and files.
I only detec 2 problems with xwp1011:
1- In restart the system. After install xwp1011, for restart the system I have to take the laptoop off for 10 to 20 minutes minimum before start again or the system hang in the start.
2- I can not select Xview as default. (I install xwp1011 in a clean system and the problem is the same)

Other coment:
The *find* and *save as* hang the system with and without xwp1011
I am run in laptoop with 3 mouse, one track mouse in keyboard,another path mouse, and other usb mouse.
 
And I made a test
Copy multipt.exe multipt-stop.exe
copy helpmsg.exe multipt.exe
and restart
(in this point all run perfect)
kill usbmon.exe

and *find* again with *save as* no fail!!

Conclusion the usbmon.exe have a problems with *find*.