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Setup & Installation / Re: UEFI Boot Manager for 5.1
« on: May 18, 2022, 08:29:39 am »
Hi

I have a related doubt here. From what I understand on GPT partitioned HDD, AiR-BOOT will no longer work. AiR-BOOT is only for MBR, right? or did I get it wrong?

Regards
AIRBoot also depends on the BIOS (CSM) to be present on an MBR boot with UEFI airboot will also not work. I am also not certain how well MBR/UEFI boot is supported by other operating systems.

Roderick

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Setup & Installation / Re: UEFI Boot Manager for 5.1
« on: May 17, 2022, 09:44:44 am »
Is AN going to provide a UEFI capable boot manager with the upcoming 5.1 release?  While one of my ArcaOS/Linux computers will continue using GRUB 2, I have another computer where I would like to boot into two different GUID ArcaOS system partitions.

Being on the testteam of Arca Noae for ArcaOS 5.1. and seen Alex Taylor his presentation off ArcOS 5.1. I can say the following.
You can install ArcaOS on an MBR disk layout with UEFI boot. But this is approach has a lot technicall drawbacks. MBR I consider dead with all the limitations. It has GPT support and any dual boot with Windows 10/11 will require GPT support because WIndows 10, when installed on system booted in UEFI mode, Windows will only accept GPT disc layout.  If you have a current installation with Windows 10/7 with an MBR disc layout that can remain in that way.

With the arrival of GPT support a lot of old problems are wiped out for OS/2 users finally. And one of them is that you can basically use any disc editor on hard drive or any boot manager. And a bootmanager on UEFI is nothing special. Its  a menu that tells which OS you want to start. This means that old issue's with bootmanager no longer apply. No more primary partition needed and Airboot is also gone.

On a GPT hard drive you have a so called ESP partition. Every partition has its on so called GUID ID, which means that each partition has its own type. The ESP partition is a special type and ArcaOS or Windows puts its EFI file on this partition.  And via a UEFI bootmanager you select simply which EFI file gets loaded.  The AN bootmanager is called AN launcher.

Roderick

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Applications / Re: Old problem.. any known solution ?
« on: May 15, 2022, 12:36:29 pm »
If you have such an issue I think its best if you open a ticket at Arca Noae on mantis.arcanoae.com. This will require you to upload a testlog. Do not backlevel pmmerge.dll to an older version as that will introduce other issue's.

If you are lucky then based on the popuplog.os2 entry and with the SYM file of pmmerge.dll somebody might be able to determine what function it crashes it. That might give a hint. But this trick does not always work.

Roderick Klein

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Applications / Re: Dooble: Websites / WebApps Testing
« on: April 25, 2022, 02:53:50 pm »
Note possibly later today it might moved from experimental to stable repository!

Roderick

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Internet / Re: New Browser Delay Discussion
« on: April 25, 2022, 12:20:25 am »
The Dooble RPM file has been released. This is preview. It in rpm.netlabs.org when I write this and it will be moved from th EXP repo to the normal user repo Stable repo. This is what is normally active in ANPM (Arca Noae Package Manager).

Readme is attached for some more information.

Roderick

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Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: April 24, 2022, 11:16:45 pm »
Hey guys,

I'm many have read posts of a build of dooble existing and is waiting on an rpm.

I couldn't understand why a zip wasn't being provided, so I spent a little bit of time this morning building it myself, the result is https://smedley.id.au/tmp/dooble-2022.04.04-os2-20220424.zip

Note I've had the browser close on me a few times, no idea yet if these are dooble or Qt5 related. There is nothing in popuplog.os2  not in the exceptq folder

I have exceptq logs in \var\log\app\

Roderick

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Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: April 24, 2022, 10:48:31 pm »
Hey guys,

I'm many have read posts of a build of dooble existing and is waiting on an rpm.

I couldn't understand why a zip wasn't being provided, so I spent a little bit of time this morning building it myself, the result is https://smedley.id.au/tmp/dooble-2022.04.04-os2-20220424.zip

Note I've had the browser close on me a few times, no idea yet if these are dooble or Qt5 related. There is nothing in popuplog.os2  not in the exceptq folder

edit: I would like to add that this wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for the work that Dmitry has put into the port of Qt5.

Enjoy!

Cheers,

Paul

The rpm for dooble is now on rpm. Netlabs. Org exp and will be moved to
production as we speak.

The rpm was created so all depencies are done correctly.

Roderick

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Internet / Re: New Browser Delay Discussion
« on: April 17, 2022, 09:28:47 am »
Hi Dmitry,

Glad to hear you made it  out of Russia and that you're safe.

I appreciate your post  and update. My comment about 'doesn't smell right' was specifically in relation to Roderick's last update, where he implies that 'others' were behind the switch to Dooble -  you now seems to have confirmed that you/bww chose  to switch to Dooble.  I'm not sure why Roderick was so unclear. Or perhapsI misread and the development is done by bww and the rpm  by  volunteers?

In relation to "updates having «little to do with the browser»."  I'm clearly not talking about toolchain updates - there have been plenty of non-toolchain updates in recent bww updates (libusb, libuvc as examples  from the most recent bww update).

The fundamental issue is the lack of transparency.  Why not be clear  where things stand? If you read Roderick's post, the browser has been coming in a few weeks for what seems like years  now.  Your post actually sets out some of the technical limitations blocking progress.

Cheers,

Paul

A lot of the reasons for the delay and some of these technicall blocking limitations where described in the browser updates on https://articles.os2voice.org did you read these over time ?

The Dooble browser was compiled by Elbert Pol orginally. After Dmitry had to get out of Russia I talked to Dmitry via Telegram app to consider doing a RPM file for the Dooble Browser. Gregg Young started working on the RPM package. The text of the last posting I send out was not clear., but the Dooble RPM was discussed with Dmitry. At the time the message was send out it was unclear WHEN Dmitry would be able to do ANY work on Otter or OS/2 even...

He is currently (as time permits) working on the Dooble RPM package. As everbody now understands he a lot of stuff to deal with after he left Russia.

Roderick


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Internet / Re: New Browser Delay Discussion
« on: April 17, 2022, 09:12:21 am »
Hey Roderick,

I did send out a news message via OS/2 VOICE why the browser was delayed. Its because of the events surrounding Ukraine. Dmitry has not been able to work on the browser for close to 6 weeks.

With the greatest  of respect  - if this latest  delay was the first that had been seen,  I don't think anyone would be complaining.

Remember that in November *2020* we heard  that builds were in the hands of beta testers -  yet almost 18 months later there seems to have been little progress beyond this; let alone the original roadmap from April *2018* (4 years ago) that documented an 18 month road  map.

Cheers,

Paul

Well I provide the newsletter updates on https://articles.os2voice.org where Dmitry and I explained why the project was delayed.
All the newsletters where written by me and reviewed by Dmitry.  With the help of Martin these updates where also refered to on the main page os2world.com.

Roderick

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Internet / Re: New Browser Delay Discussion
« on: April 15, 2022, 03:29:48 pm »
Isn't Dimitry located in Russia? I always assumed so but don't actually know, but if so, there's a war along with all kinds of sanctions making doing any kind of business between Russia and the west much harder.
As for the browser, it always seemed pretty ambitious but there are very few choices left and all the choices are now becoming 64 bit, besides being fast moving targets and as Martin mentioned, we have a shortage of knowledgeable developers.
As mentioned, QT5 seems almost dead, though there is https://invent.kde.org/qt/qt consisting of backported patches from QT6 as it seems QT6 is no where near ready.
QT5 itself seems barely buildable on OS/2, here the OS crashes when trying to link I think, somewhat surprising as previous experience shows lack of memory causing wlink to die with a lack of spill memory error.
As the browsers that have been tried have not been broadly released nor their source, it is hard to say what the problems are. I have the Simplebrowser running somewhat stably here. Dooble itself seems to have died and been resurrected. It targets QT6 but does seem like it also supports QT 5.12 or newer. I tried building it, the build dies instantly as our build system doesn't understand the versionAtleast function/macro and other then the readme, no work has been done on the github code. Quite likely that there are private source trees where work is happening.
It's all opaque with most of the recent work being done by Silvan on a volunteer basis and others working on USB stuff like Joystick and camera support. Meanwhile we have fewer and fewer users, especially users on bare metal.
As for projects, wasn't OpenOffice others besides dmik? Though that's getting on the old side now.

Yes Dmitry was located in Russia, until recently. But he has moved out recently...
I know 2 people that next to Dmitry can work with QT 5.12 and can compile it on there system.
So if you have an issue then describe how it fails ? Elbert Pole I think can compile QT 5.12 and possibly also Gregg Young.

I understood it correctly from Dmitry updates of QT 5.X is still supported another for QT webkit updates. Or maybe longer.

Roderick

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Internet / Re: New Browser Delay Discussion
« on: April 15, 2022, 11:28:23 am »
I did send out a news message via OS/2 VOICE why the browser was delayed. Its because of the events surrounding Ukraine. Dmitry has not been able to work on the browser for close to 6 weeks. Another team of volunteers has worked on an RPM package that contains the Dooble browser.
This will use the latest port of the QT to OS/2. That RPM package is being build right now. That should be released this week or beginning next week in rpm.netlabs.org. A news item will be send out when its ready.

Best regards,

Roderick Klein
OS/2 VOICE

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Internet / Re: Dooble works fine but does have some flaws
« on: April 05, 2022, 11:01:59 am »
As I stated a new RPM is being worked on by 2 people to be released via rpm.netlab.org which will be based on the new QT webkit engine...
Its taking somewhat longer to finish the RPM file and the SPEC file.


Roderick

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Off Topic discussions / Re: Russia attacked Ukraine
« on: February 24, 2022, 11:14:45 pm »
See what the spokesman in the UN said from Kenia in 2 1/2 minutes video, its spot on:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fyOpp-rVv6A

Its good to look at the past and learn from it. But how long can be continue to hang onto the past ?
The human race has plenty of global challanges where we need to work toghether.

Roderick

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Hi Roderick,
By the XUL browsers, they're mostly forks of Firefox, PaleMoon and friends that use the Goanna (forked Gecko from 52ESR) engine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goanna_%28software%29 and of course SeaMonkey, and you're right, they have very little user base, probably less then 1%.
It's a crappy situation with Google controlling the standards it seems now, the only saving grace is Safari as Apple, especially their small devices is a market that can't be ignored.
As for the funding, the subscription model should work as long as the QT folks support the QT5 Web stuff, afterwards, who knows.

There is rough estimate how long it would take to port QT 6 to OS/2. The big chunk of work was going from 4.68 QT to the 5.12 version.
Why can QT6 not be ported to OS/2 ?

Roderick Klein

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Two Dutch OS/2 users reported recently that https://mijn.ing.nl/login/ no longer works.
Make that three. It happened in december last year and I had to make up my mind on what to do. Must I buy a smartphone, laptop, desktop and learn how to operate that? Which one? What operating system? All my systems are OS/2 based. It is all I know. No linux, Mac, Windows. Bills and taxes had to be paid! So after searching the internet and making up my mind I ended up buying a windows 11 laptop at the local computer shop.       

Open a ticket at AN.

Roderick Klein

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