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Setup & Installation / Re: error installing arcaos 5.0.3
« on: January 16, 2019, 11:19:21 pm »
I had a similar error having the wrong case for the ISO, lower case instead of upper case IIRC. Easy to do if you created your stick on a different OS that uses vfat.

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And wifi is not needed for desktop systems. Except for the few of us who do develop wlan stuff on a desktop system ;). Otherwise no wifi needed (and often not wanted) with desktop systems.

Unluckily, even for desktop systems, WiFi is becoming more important. My Internet hub thingy is really designed for only WiFi access. It has one cable connection that it supports badly but works good enough for my OS/2 box. No port forwarding and such on the wired connection, only on the WiFi connections.
It's crazy, especially in highly populated areas, but it seems how residential internet is going. Generally this won't be a problem for businesses but is a consideration.

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Web applications / Re: Firefox high mem
« on: January 16, 2019, 05:54:32 pm »
[Talking about ram size, I read somewhere that OS2 can work only up to 512 Mb, so more than that is useless.
Thank you

That's not really correct. Traditional OS/2 can only use up to 512 MBs (minus system needs) of address space. it's a multi-tasking system so multiple processes can each use up to 512 MBs of private address space and can share (DLLs and such) 512 MBs (actually more like 300 MBs after loading the system) of shared address space. so even then more real memory is better.
OS/2 Warp server along with the desktop after Warp v4+fp13, which unified the kernel etc with Warp Server, can also use high memory above 1GB. Firefox will allocate memory in the high arena if possible and the highmem package marks the DLLs in such a way that the system will  load the DLLs high.
Firefox itself can easily use over 512 MBs of memory if you open lots of tabs and likely won't even be worth trying to run on older versions of OS/2

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Web applications / Re: Firefox high mem
« on: January 16, 2019, 04:15:39 pm »
It really depends on your usage patterns including what else you run. It'll give you more lower memory for running other stuff but if you only occasionally use Firefox and not much else in OS/2 it might not make much difference.
If you do try it you also should use mozturbo https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mozturbo/downloads/ to keep the DLLs loaded as your kernel doesn't have some of the fixes for unloading the DLLs when loaded high. Mozturbo should speed up loading too.
It might help more to give your virtual machine another 1/2 a GB of memory

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Applications / Re: 3d launch pad
« on: January 16, 2019, 06:55:23 am »
For an unrelated reason, I had to restore from backup. Got the same trp after reinstalling LP but since it has been stable.

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Internet / Re: Unable to download PDF documents with FF 38.8
« on: January 16, 2019, 04:05:19 am »
Hi Ivan.
No, you can not usually use the xqs files from a different build. They basically contain debugging info such as addresses of functions.
The newest should be good enough. The problem probably is not libc.
BTW, you should be zipping up \etc and \var as well as \usr. I'd suggest reinstalling libc and libcx and also installing the dbg packages to make trp files more informative. Please use the ones from the exp repository for now. They should find there way to the release repository eventually.
Then please try this build, https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mozilla-os2/downloads/firefox-45.9.0.en.US.os2.PhenomII.zip, it does have the xqs files. I was to lazy to fight to downgrade libcx here so it does need the ones in exp.
Dariusz, could you also test this build? If it works for you, then I'll delete the other build and eventually move all my other Firefox builds to this repository. At least Bitbucket doesn't bitch about our old browsers and isn't owned by MS.
Martin, perhaps the getting Firefox to run parts of this thread should be in their own thread?

Edit, testing on a new install, it is only libcx that needs installing from the exp repository, otherwise there will be a sys2070 in popuplog.

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Internet / Re: Unable to download PDF documents with FF 38.8
« on: January 15, 2019, 05:37:15 am »
I looked, I did forget to include the xqs files in the build I published on bitbucket :( Which made Ivan's trp report pretty useless. I'll think about refreshing the build and forking the code and automating this stuff.

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OS/2 is older than that, but since ArcaOS is being made available nowadays, I think it's fair that it should current monitors of the day. I don't know how you get to decide what's more important. This is pretty damn important to me.

ArcaNoae isn't a large company and has to decide how to triage needed development. Most important is basic usage on modern computers so USB type-C is pretty well at the top of the list as more and more computers only have this interface for keyboard etc.
Wireless support and UEFI are also high on the list. Support of some modern graphic boards (probably Intel) is also fairly high on the list and probably a requirement for really high resolution monitors which I guess use HDMI for input.
Not speaking for ArcaNoae but above is based on various statements made.

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Hardware / Re: Large mouse pointer for high resolution desktop ?
« on: January 14, 2019, 03:37:10 am »
Didn't support have to be installed? Something like http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/util/mouse/amptr/amptr101.zip Perhaps eCS had this installed by default?
I did install the above, got them to work and then, when mouse overing SeaMonkey, the system froze. On reboot, the desktop was covered with windows of the icon editor with various mouse pointers in them and before I closed them all, the system froze again.
Ended up restoring a backup.

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Applications / Re: 3d launch pad
« on: January 14, 2019, 01:09:33 am »
It did just crash for me, trp report sent. It is nice as long as using png icons, the native ones look like crap blown up.

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Internet / Re: Unable to download PDF documents with FF 38.8
« on: January 14, 2019, 12:07:26 am »
Thanks for that bit of information but how does one patch into the experimental repro with the anpm?

Install the exp-repo package, update libc and libcx and then to be safe, uninstall the exp-repo package after rebooting.
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The attached trp file is what I get when trying to start your FF45.9.

Did I forget to add the xqs files? Unluckily I didn't keep the dist\ directory from the PhenomII build due to lack of room (thought a 100GBs would be enough) so if I forgot, they're gone. For SM and TB, they're automatically packaged, whereas for Firefox, I have to create and add them manually. Going to have to fork Firefox and do a few minor updates such as packaging the XQS files :)
You could also test the Pentium M build, shouldn't have the dependency on the newer libc, if that's the problem, and have xqs files so we can trace the crash. Memory allocation errors for example will show up in libc even though it is Firefox with the bad code.

Edit, that is the netlabs-exp package. Perhaps also add the libc and libcx debug packages.

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Setup & Installation / Re: Delete shadow without deleting the program.
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:36:26 pm »
OS: eComstation 2.1 ( last version from from XEU)
PC: Thinkpad T400 (Penryn/Centrino chipset)
xWorkplace: 1.0.x

I know it is an "RTFM" question, but I don't have an OS/2 manual to read (except for a few books on PC-DOS and the WordStar manual).

I have desktop shadows for MESA 2, WordStar 7A, WSEdit, WDSibyl and OpenWatcom C/C++ and OpenWatcom Tools programs. They take up the entire top row of my Workplace shell I would like to have a cleaner Workplace shell without a lot of shadow shortcuts.

Can I reduce desktop clutter by removing some of these unwanted shadows? Is it possible to delete a desktop shadow without deleting the program? Where does that program reside after deleting the shadow?

Thank you all for any suggestions. I can explain further if you need.

Are you sure they're shadows and not program or folder objects? Here on ArcaOS, a shadow has blue title while original object has white. Right click on the icon, if a shadow, there will be a menu choice, Original with an arrow that if clicked will have 3 choices including Locate, which will locate the original.
If an Object, the properties should show the location under the file tab.
If a shadow, just drag it to the trashcan. If they are actually objects, perhaps drag them into a desktop folder such as Programs-->Development for the OpenWatcom stuff.

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Hardware / Re: Large mouse pointer for high resolution desktop ?
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:18:46 pm »
I use OS/4 on one partition.  I uses their modified dive.dll.  I use comet cursors here also.  Need to see is FF is affected.  Sadly, I have not paid attention.

Note the backwards pref I mentioned. DIVE should help with video playback but IIRC, doesn't work on Mozilla with Panorama.

You can disable the shadow buffer in Panorama, set MOZ_ACCELERATED to 1 or 2 and set the pref which should force DIVE to work. MOZ_ACCELERATED set to 1 hides the pointer, 2 doesn't.
Untested here.
Run Firefox like so, to capture stdout and stderr,
Code: [Select]
firefox.exe 2>&1 | tee firefox.log

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Hardware / Re: Large mouse pointer for high resolution desktop ?
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:39:16 am »
I use OS/4 on one partition.  I uses their modified dive.dll.  I use comet cursors here also.  Need to see is FF is affected.  Sadly, I have not paid attention.

Note the backwards pref I mentioned. DIVE should help with video playback but IIRC, doesn't work on Mozilla with Panorama.

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Snap will only give lots of resolution choices if using a supported chipset whereas Panorama can patch some video BIOS's to add more resolutions. In short don't bother with Snap unless you have a supported chipset (see readme in the Snap directory).
You will probably get better performance with 64K colours, only half the amount of memory involved. I see this on real hardware playing videos in the browser.
VirtualAddressLimit really depends on your hardware as IBM never really added the logic to tell where system memory ends and hardware memory starts. I've successfully used 3072 on various systems, this one got funky until I lowered it to 2560. Generally 2048 should be fine but there is a bug in the kernel where if you load DLLs high, the shared memory doesn't get released, easy to see in Theseus, hard to get more then a few days of uptime if you're opening and closing things like the browser if they're set to load DLLs high. We do only have 512MBs minus system use, so about 300MB, of lower memory.

The hardware is a VM in this case. The 64K colors really does look worse than 16M for photos. Even the default ArcaOS logo looks worse. The gradients don't look good. But there is clearly a problem at 3840x2160x32bpp .

OK, I agree that 16M colours look better. This is my main system and I need to be able to play videos so I compromise.
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On bare metal, I have only nVidia video cards (many different models) and apparently Panorama cannot patch the BIOS on those either, so it is quite limited unfortunately, much more so than what I'm getting in a VM.

It still seems to me that SNAP should be able to use all the resolutions that the VESA VBE BIOS supports, which includes the custom ones for the Virtualbox VM. Somehow, Panorama can do this, and GENGRADD does this (at least on ECS), but SNAP seems to have a hardcoded set of resolutions, and nothing else works, even with GAMON / GACTRL . Anyway, I don't need 3 video drivers to work - just one is fine.

Testing on my T42 (ATI Mobility Radeon 7500), the stock SNAP doesn't give too many choices, but the Arca Noae Snap allows up to 2048x1536x16M with 32 MBs of video ram. Kind of irritating using it with a 1024x768 monitor but it works well. I believe you need a supported chipset to use wide resolutions.
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I don't think the amount of RAM is really in an issue for the OS/2 VM, whether it's 1GB or 3GB. This is a 32-bit OS that used to run just fine with <64MB of RAM. 1GB of RAM really is plenty. Maybe only browsers are pushing the envelope these days. I haven't checked how much Firefox consumes. Is there another lighter weight browser available ?

This is about address space, not amount of ram. At one point I needed the whole 3GBs of address space to link a debug xul.dll and with only 1.5GB of real ram, even found the swapper limit of 2GB. Gave me a swap file full error and crash with lots of room, they should have used a larger type or at least unsigned:)
Firefox can use a lot of ram. It tries to allocate in high memory first. There's also the shared memory issue where loading the DLLs, especially xul.dll, into high memory helps. As mentioned, the kernel has a bug and doesn't release this memory so after a few restarts, the system will go down. I resurrected the old mozturbo for this issue, keeps the DLLs loaded and helps a lot.
There are a couple of QT4 based browsers available, they're old. Look on Netlabs, Qt4 apps.
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What I would really like to get to work is SMP in the guest. It seems some people have succeeded with VMWare. I won't be trying that today, though :)

Also, apparently there is a shared clipboard feature for Virtualbox.

It is referenced here :
https://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/EComStation_2.x_as_a_VirtualBox_5.x_Guest#Shared_Clipboard

Are they talking about the Virtualbox OS/2 guest additions ? If so, which driver ? I believe I have all the additions installed in my ArcaOS VM, but shared clipboard doesn't work.

Edit: yes, it's the guest additions, which I already have. But there is a checkbox in the VM setting also, which I wasn't aware of. It works now.

Or are they referencing something else that's for ECS only ? Either way, I have an ECS 2.0 license and key, and an ECS 2.0 VM too. I haven't tried the additions in that VM yet.

Weirdly, there was 2 guest additions updates at about the same time. the official which I assume you have, were done by Bird (Knut St. Osmunson) who did the OS/2 libc for Mozilla 1.5 and is the vbox build system maintainer at Oracle, and Valery. There's a recent thread (the one you referenced?) here on Valery's additions. They've both got positives and negatives.

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