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Ok, I am - an author of "QSINIT" - another one kernel loader (NOT OS/4). And I can tell only for myself: this loader was written from scratch (it has completely another structure and features). And I will not publish it under GNU licence :) Though I made this project for fun - it takes 3 years from me - and I won't grant its code to you, especially you.

I did test this Loader Yesterday as well. It worked OK but - as with the OS/4 Loader, even worse the eCS OS2LDR - I still have this weird boot hangs, I guess this is an ACPI/Memory/Driver conflict issue. This loader (was not hard to find with using google for QSINIT) reports the right amount of Memory as well, same as the OS/4 where eCS Loader fail. When "Loading" the loader offers a to switch via F9 to a menue but I did not test it.

I did install Suse Linux 12.3 alongside OS/2 and Windows 8 Pro, with AirBootManager I do have a triple boot Tablet yet.

I did look further into the sound problem as well - as the driver allways loads I still have sometimes sound, sometimes not. With the "unimix -list" and "unimix -card" commands I did receive this:
-----------------------------------------------------------
Command line mixer for UNIAUD32. Version 1.0
Detected UNIAUD version 20.20
Control ID: 1
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Speaker Playback Volume]
Index: 0
Element type: integer type
Count of values: 2
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 87, step: 0
value 0: 87
value 1: 87
Control ID: 2
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Speaker Playback Switch]
Index: 0
Element type: boolean type
Count of values: 2
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 1, step: 0
value 0: 1
value 1: 1
Control ID: 3
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Headphone Playback Volume]
Index: 0
Element type: integer type
Count of values: 2
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 87, step: 0
value 0: 80
value 1: 80
Control ID: 4
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Headphone Playback Switch]
Index: 0
Element type: boolean type
Count of values: 2
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 1, step: 0
value 0: 1
value 1: 1
Control ID: 5
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Internal Mic Boost Volume]
Index: 0
Element type: integer type
Count of values: 2
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 3, step: 0
value 0: 0
value 1: 0
Control ID: 6
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Mic Boost Volume]
Index: 0
Element type: integer type
Seite 1
unimix09042013
Count of values: 2
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 3, step: 0
value 0: 0
value 1: 0
Control ID: 7
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Capture Switch]
Index: 0
Element type: boolean type
Count of values: 2
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 1, step: 0
value 0: 0
value 1: 0
Control ID: 8
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Capture Volume]
Index: 0
Element type: integer type
Count of values: 2
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 63, step: 0
value 0: 23
value 1: 23
Control ID: 9
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Master Playback Volume]
Index: 0
Element type: integer type
Count of values: 1
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 87, step: 0
value 0: 87
Control ID: 10
Interface: virtual mixer device
Device(client): 0, subdevice (substream) 0
Name: [Master Playback Switch]
Index: 0
Element type: boolean type
Count of values: 1
Value:
Bounds: min: 0, max: 1, step: 0
value 0: 1
[C:\mmos2]unimix -names
Command line mixer for UNIAUD32. Version 1.0
Detected UNIAUD version 20.20
ID: 1, name: [Speaker Playback Volume]
ID: 2, name: [Speaker Playback Switch]
ID: 3, name: [Headphone Playback Volume]
ID: 4, name: [Headphone Playback Switch]
ID: 5, name: [Internal Mic Boost Volume]
ID: 6, name: [Mic Boost Volume]
ID: 7, name: [Capture Switch]
ID: 8, name: [Capture Volume]
ID: 9, name: [Master Playback Volume]
ID: 10, name: [Master Playback Switch]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------


 so I modified my startup.cmd to this:


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
REM NET START REQ
REM @if errorlevel 2 C:\IBMLAN\NETPROG\lserr.exe
c:\mmos2\unimix -id1 -cnt0 -val87 -cnt1 -val87
c:\mmos2\unimix -id2 -cnt0 -val1 -cnt1 -val1
c:\mmos2\unimix -id3 -cnt0 -val87 -cnt1 -val87
c:\mmos2\unimix -id4 -cnt0 -val1 -cnt1 -val1
c:\mmos2\unimix -id5 -cnt0 -val3 -cnt1 -val3
c:\mmos2\unimix -id6 -cnt0 -val3 -cnt1 -val3
c:\mmos2\unimix -id7 -cnt0 -val1 -cnt1 -val1
c:\mmos2\unimix -id8 -cnt0 -val63 -cnt1 -val63
c:\mmos2\unimix -id9 -cnt0 -val87
c:\mmos2\unimix -id10 -cnt0 -val1
EXIT
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Sometimes the startup.cmd fails to set the values for some IDS, sometimes not, I guess this is where I get sound or not.
The (wihtout a problem) running Linux Installation did show me as well to have two Audio Adapters, The "Intel Display Audio 2805" - that is allways shown by UNIAUD Driver - and the Realtek HD269 - where the Microfone etc. are connected with.
I guess sometimes uniaud is loading both devices (but even while having sound the microfone does not work)  sometimes not.

Is there a way to load the UNIAUD driver twotimes?

And some very good news: Two finger touch is working as well now, thanks to Wim!  :-)

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Apparently, it is not always "huge" blocks, and it can be more than 2-3. It depends on the specific system, and what I/O they have installed.
Yes, but there is no reason to use tiny blocks... Whole list can hold up to 20 entries and most of them - small in size. OS/4 loader just ignore blocks smaller 64k, as I know.
And - OS2LDR still can be rewritten from scratch ;) This is possible if you know how organized kernel loading process.

Hm, I just replaced the eCS 2.2 OS2LDR with the one from the OS4 project

(NO other files replaced, kernel or whatever, version is from the "os2krnlSVN2814_unoff")

 and guess what -

the whole RAM is there (despite the one that is used by the Graphic card)!

No additional problems occur while using this one so far - but testing still pending.
The file size of this OS2LDR is about 49kb compared with the 43kb from eCS.

I wonder - Is there a way to merge the experience of OS4 with the one from ecomstation and David Azariewicz as this seems to may solve more actual eCS problems?!


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First I would like to thank for answering and , to avoid double messages, I would like to point to the similar thread at the yahoo group, for those not already monotoring both forums:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/eComStation/message/88015



If you want to use an UNSUPPORTED wireless LAN device (any of them), you need to patch \IBMCOM\macs\GENM32W.OS2. Apparently, GENMAC does not enable the piece of code that XWLAN needs to interface with the windows driver, if you use UNSUPPORTED mode. See the GENMU_TEST_README.TXT file at ftp://genmac@ftp.os2voice.org/ (use the word "unsupported", lower case, and no quotes, as a password if asked), for more information. Also check that for the presence of an already prepared driver. I don't know what the PCI ID for that device is, and it may already be included. If not, supply the parts, and I will add it to the TEST version. The instructions are in the README. I can't guarantee that it will actually work, but it should get installed properly that way (including the required patch).

Yes, I already used your genmac files from the genmac list  ;). And I already have the XP drivers for the Atheros and I changed the protocol.ini and some more. I will come back to this once Finger support is finished. Wim just handed a one finger driver and this is working great!! He may have the chance not only to support two but also FIVE finger support ;D But we have to see and all credits to Wim!

By the way, for me one can not top using Warp 4 (or ecomstation if you like) with this tablet and finger + stylus support.....

 8)

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Hello eComStation users

The user continues make damage to eComStation (and eComStation.RU)

Here is the description of the conflict:
http://ecomstation.ru/temp/201301/201301-attack.html

Hihi,

the truth is sometimes hard to stand, even in your world. For more information just wait for the next - and final video at youtube  8)

 ;) :'(

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I would like to ask for help to solve the last problems I do have before I would like to freeze my DFSEE Installation Image of the tailored OS/2 Warp 4. Wim Brul is so kind to help me once again to recreate the Finger/Touch Support for the Samsung Serie 7 Slate as it was broken because of a BIOS Update some time ago. I am able to use this Image and install it with DFSEE in about 5 minutes on each and every PC i have, but I am customizing as well one special edition for my Slate.
I already have most things done (Warp 4.52 with FP5, all the free zip things like: Cups, Java, ODIN, QT 473, Samba and so on, a very few parts of eCS like ACPI, AHCI, and Panorama; some more free drivers USB (183),Stylus,WINOS2,; some more programs Injoy+InjoyFirewall,HPFS386, Air Boot Manager 1.08,Freetype, Warpsans, SMPlayer, PM123 and and and) and the Image is now at 1.5GB. This image can be copied to a Partition that could range from 4 to 64 GB as DFSEE is able to "Sync the file to the partition size", and 64GB is the limit for HPFS.

And - very important to me - I do not have one file from ecomstation.ru running, no ecoruntime or usbwidget or or.. - and that makes the installations to become much more stable, especially compared with eCS 2.2 beta. I did not include YUM/RPM as well es it was at least not necessary till now, I was able to install everything with the ZIP files.

In addition I added all the files IBM or Mensys cut off - like Warpguides, OS/2 Warp Tutorial and so on. I extracted the OS2 Warp Logo from the Warp Center and integrated it in xcenter of xworkplace.

At least I would say "my" Warp Clone is up to date with the software and hardwaresupport. And this Image/Clone file is working great in combination with DFSEE. I reinstalled it serveral times.

In some case I would like to say I followed the Path Doug Bisset describes for Beta testing of ecomstation 2.2. I added something new to the clone, if it works I build a new image, if not I just replaced it with the image before and started again. As it takes only a few minutes to image/restore I was able to build the clone in my free time starting from an OS/2 Warp 4 scratch to what I have now in almost three weeks.

And here are the things I would like to fix at least and ask for your help - Thank you very much in advance!

- PEN for OS/2 - does someone know how to change the keyboard layout from US to German? The keyboard is really great, no need for me to use the "Virtualkeyboard" of ecs.ru

- ACPI - I have to use the /VW switch on the Samsung Slate, otherwise the boot process stops with "Can not load OS2AHCI.ADD because IRQ 19 allready claimed" -> so obvious for me tha the handling of hig IRQ is not working as it should as eCS 2.1 with ACPI 3.21.07 does not have this problem (but some more I do not have with Warp 4). I only have the ACPI32107.wpi file installed, no more ACPI related files. Do I need something else to handle the high IRQ in the right way?

- Atheros WLAN - I still try to figure out to run the Atheros WLAN 9285 chipset. I already opened the Slate and could change the MiniPCIE Option GM67 card, and put an Intel inside, but I would loose Bluetooth or 3G,a s there is no Intel chipset Mini PCIE card around with Bluetooth, Wlan and 3G - I do use and need all three for windows. And I am not sure if the WLAN Multimac for Intel will see the light of the day (hopefully it will). Someone posted to me a mail with some hints for this card (I already got the driver loading in UNSUPPORTED mode but the boot process stops - I guess because of netbind.exe or an IRQ conflict) - but unfortunately I lost this mail. May be thsi person is reading here and can send it to me once again?

- Sound - is working with latest UNIAUD with Warp 4 much better then with eCS 2.2 (do not know why exactly, but I have less boots without sound than before) - and strange - I can adjust loudness with the usual thing, the uniaudmixer and with SMPlayer -b ut not with PM123  :o . I am using a startscript in startup.cmd to enable sound at all.

- Memory management - the Installation "only" sees 512MB of the internal 4GB of RAM - according to the xworkplace program "OS/2 kernel" - as it is an Intel Core i5 second generation cpu the same problems occur with eCS 2.2 beta. Is there a program that can show me the amount of space OS/2 "really" uses or sees?

Thanks in Advance and Bye!

Sigurd


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General Discussion / Happy birthday os2world - in motion
« on: March 31, 2013, 09:44:38 am »
And thank you very much, Martin - and all the others involved and working here during those years!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXf_46gJUjc&list=UUcaRwKbzH05DlTZ2iE8sV2A&index=1

Happy Eastern, Tante pasquale, Frohe Ostern + Bye!

Thats what cloning with DFSEE finally leads me to.....

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As for support missing ? What tickets are outstanding in the bugtracker. I have given you access to eCS beta's in the past for testing to see if things where fixed.

Thanks,

Roderick


Just to proof my words:

http://bugs.ecomstation.nl/view.php?id=3006 - No response at all
http://bugs.ecomstation.nl/view.php?id=2785 - Response from other user, No Response from Mensys at all
http://bugs.ecomstation.nl/view.php?id=3007 - Some response, but was more or less adressed as "OS/2 related", but eCS 2.1 failed even worse - No response to eCS
...

Some time I gave up there as a logical result. Main errors like "Destroying Hardware Layout" I did not mention there as I thought that this was so obvious....

I recieved two Betas, one from 5/2012 I would consider it to be an Alpha, one in December (as far as I remember).
I would like to consider all the 2.0 RCs from 2007 to 2010 as betas as well, but there have had some more people access... At least this long period of fails did show that you choose the wrong track, just look at the ACPI development then with ecomstation.ru - I guess the biggest fail in eCS history.



In theory it sounds nice but in practice here are some of the pitfalls of sticking to specific models/brands of computers.

1. Not every hardware vendor has the same model on sale everywhere around the world. I can mention one example we needed an HP workstation for a large customer.
It had different part numbers and different models world wide. Or some PC brands are not even for sale worldwide!

2. Some companies Mensys does business with has a preferred brand they want to use for example Dell. Such a list would then not work.

3. if we focus on a subset of hardware its still not going to safe us. Because how long will hardware be for sale and what happens if the vendor brings out a new BIOS with an ACPI in the BIOS that is suddenly broken. Years back I once had it with a T42 that had APM suspend/resume problems and another T42 did not. Turned out it was a BIOS revision problem...


To answer in short terms: "Using that Theory"  must be the reason why Apple failed during the last years, I guess.....  :o

It is at least a bit easier as you allways try to explain:

You tell yourself that each Brand has a variety of different models with different internas.
I.e. there have been T models from IBM some equipped with Intel WLAN, some with Atheros or something like this.
Why not saying: Yes, we fully support this T Modell, but please do take a look that the Intel card is inside. That is something much easier to follow - as i.e. IBM/Lenovo models are quite well documented, the have differnt model numbers for this.

When some day eCS 2.2 will arrive I will use UPDATECD to update the OS/2 Warp 4 MCP2 with all the new drivers, kernels and stuff and burn a new DVD with this and then one more movie will be made, possibly - "OS/2 in 2013" or something like this.

And finally (if you believe it or not) that was the result of my testing on several modern hardware with eCs from 2. RC up to 2.2 during the last 8 years:

The most stable, fastest and best version was OS/2 Warp 4 MCP2 SMP with AHCI as it is shown during the last minutes of my best video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HhfPhxCGjQ 

Even though, that answer was just to proof my ealier comments and thats it. It is not my intention to pursade you as it was obvious to me that this would not work. I will leave the field of eComStation as stated (and will in addition do not answer emails related to this anymore, especially when other OS/2 useres are considered to tell 'farytailes' of what I can proof that those have been right), and wish all the users luck and success and a good time, most important health! I would like to thank at least all the friendly helpers and developers who have been so kind to help me in the past, especially for their patience!


Auf Wiedersehen!  8)




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The fact that Win7 (and Win8) works for you is no valid reason to mock those making other choices.  People are not stupid -- they make the choices they think serve them best.

Have a thoughtful, yet positive day / Eirik

Hi Eirik,

it is not my intention to mock people using different OS - may be a fault of my bad english - sorry if it sounds like this.
I am happy that your 410 is working for you, as others get the 500, 510 and 520 to run as well. I myself had a X200t really well supported - by trying to support it on my own with a lot of help of some really nice people, but Bugtracker - to be honest - did never help me.

I would not have published videos about eCs if I wanted to distract it.

But: would'nt it be nice to have WLAN and all the other missing things with your 410 supported? Would'nt it have been the much better choice to concentrate on selected hardware and support this (Suggestions about this have been made about a hundred times druing the last 8 years on os2.org, an dnot only there) instead of trying to cover everything?

That's my point: eCS development is still following the wrong path and even worse there seems to be the opinion there the result could compare with Major OS. That is simply not true. It is true for some users with some hardware, but here the attempt is to spread the OS and in that case in my opinion it is worng to tell people it could work out of the box with computer hardware, I guess that is the reason why the review mentioned: "on Legacy hardware".

By the way: My X200t was really well working with OS/2 Warp 4.52 (that I included the newest drivers with) while eCS 2.0 failed to install.

Even though - it is just my opinion. I do know that a lot of people do not like it, that is OK and thats it. I can only tell from my experince I had with "modern" hardware since 2007.

One other major fault in my opinion is the lack of a real Beta Test. You could say "why", my answer is:

- ECS 2.1 failed to copy AHCI driver
- ECS 2.0 failed to install Mousdriver (or it was the other way round)
- ECS RC 4 (or5) destroyed Layout of HDD
- ECS 2.1 German has bugs the English does not have (Peer not working and so on)
- all ECS Versions have been delayed, 2.2 is schedulded for April now, but I guess we have to wait if USB can be fixed till then....
....
I could tell and show you so many "never come true" informations and timetables about eComStation from "informed persons" but that would not change anything.

And I think it is my right to answer to other opinions like "eCS has some shortcomings but Windows is even worse" if my experince is totally different.

But you are right, I will from now on staying outside this discussions, the forums and everything else realted to ecomstation and leave it as it is.
 

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Is that the announced "testing of a 'big' comupter magazine"?

- No WLAN support
No WLAN support? That's interesting. I've seen reports on the newsgroups from people using WLAN.....

-> True for Adapters build up to 2007/2008 - how many are still in use (not by OS/2 users - by 99% of users....)

- No bluetooth support
Indeed. Wonder how many users need it.

-> Scan old (very old) news groups articles.....

- No USB 3.0 support
No, and should be addressed.

- No ivP6 support
Not an issue for me, but that could be a showstopper for some, I think.

- No working suspense/resume support
Not true. It works on some hardware. So, limited support.

-> it is working on some (!) legacy hardware from before 2007 - but there still APM is the better choice (i.e. read Thorolfs experience at OS/2.org and I can show you about 50 messages from Mensys that "it is already close to work" (on legacy harware (!))

- still weak USB 2.0 support
Yes. But there has been a lot of progress.

-> but what does this help when it is not working reliable?


- Panorama is faster than before but still...
.
- it is still better to use APM instead of ACPi on older (legay hardware),
especially on Thinkpads up to "60
So? APM was the de facto standard when that hardware was made.

-> yes, thats what I try to say - since then ACPI is not working the same way on hardware since the "APM" age....

- The new icon set of ecomstation.ru - hopefully this can be changed in the
usual way :-(
Just some cosmetics. I've never cared about that.

-> Yes, useless to debate, but my experience (as like others) with some ecomstation.ru software is very poor and weak - and sometimes really dangerous like USB Widget, failing (like Temp widget) and so on....

This might sound very negative but I think it is better to tell people what is
possible and what not.

The old story: why not writing:

"eComStation works well, but only on selected hardware".

Yes. And most people who buy it know that and select their hardware accordingly

-> but that means to choose 7 to 8 year old Hardware -how long willl this be aorund?

 :-\


:-(

With regards to support, I have had direct support from Mensys, to full satisfaction. I do agree that the response to tickets isn't always what it should be.

-> none of my entries in bugtrakcer over the last years (!) has ever been solved by mensys, most of them did not get even one answer.....

I am still a -lot- happer with ecs then with the win 7 that runs on my notebook. Whenever I need the thing windows will either complain about 'low memory', needing a reboot to prevent the system become unstable or just be incredibly slow because it's doing yet another huge set of updates.


-> well, as I am using modern hardware it is still the other way round for me - I am using my Samsung Tablett with Windows 8 for over one year now (before with Windows 7) and it runs more than perfect. But this is to the personal point of view. But telling eComStation can compete with Windows or Linux is just a bad sad joke.... And for Business things I am using Widnows for more than 30 years now, and never ever (with an own Windows Server Network) get any problems with it, I guess it is just about being lucky....
And for the updates: just disable the automatical update....

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Hi Martin,

My intention is to tell people what is possible and what not. If you use google translater I would like you to follow some discussions at os2.org about the following topics regarding ecomstation I did not mention:

- No response from Mensys if asked for support
- No response for postings at bugtracker

And that leads me to the old, so often (so often that I am tired of writing it but it is sadly proved so often...)written facts:

If there would have been the decission to concentrate on selected hardware (at least since 2006) what have lead to:

- a full supported selected hardware
- less hardware problems
- less questions
- less support needed
- less bugtracker entries
- less frustrated users

........

But -yes - lets be happy for waiting for the new release, but do not let people with no knowledge of this OS to expect that it will run out of the box and could compete with Linux or Windows - this will lead to much more frustrated users and bad press and will loose the last credit of what is left of OS/2............

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Is that the announced "testing of a 'big' comupter magazine"?

I guess the main point might be this one:

Zitat: "To wrap this all up nicely, eComStation is an excellent business
solution for those stuck in legacy land, "

In my opinion:

Ups:
- there is at least one review of ecomstation

Downs:
"it compare well with against (!) Linux and Windows " (must be joking for
someone not familiar with OS) but no mention of:
- No WLAN support
- No bluetooth support
- No USB 3.0 support
- No ivP6 support
- No working suspense/resume support
- still weak USB 2.0 support
- Panorama is faster than before but still....
- it is still better to use APM instead of ACPi on older (legay hardware),
especially on Thinkpads up to "60
- The new icon set of ecomstation.ru - hopefully this can be changed in the
usual way :-(

This might sound very negative but I think it is better to tell people what is
possible and what not.

The old story: why not writing:

"eComStation works well, but only on selected hardware".

 :-\


:-(


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Applications / Re: Whatever happened to...
« on: February 21, 2013, 10:23:54 am »
We have an internal release ready.

We are working on trying to load the DLL's from Open office into the high memory area of OS/2. We are already having some success with Firefox.
By doing this the lower shared memory issue's with OS/2 and the associates hangs of the desktop should going away.

This is a a feature we have been trying to get in previous open office versions as the loading of these large DLL's into lower shared memory reduces the uptime of an OS/2 system.

Roderick Klein
Mensys B.V.

What should I expect with this answer?

- is there an already running Open Office 3.4 or not?
- when will it be public? (next month/year...?)
- loading the dlls in high memory - has open office to be changed for this or eCS?

That is what it makes hard to understand and follow or stay tuned: the (allways) avesive answers and non concrete informations and timetables - why can't there be an answer that is not a mystery/riddle or that is just simple?

 :-\

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Multimedia / Video: eCs on Intel Atom Fanless Mini PC + 46 Zoll TV
« on: February 09, 2013, 08:36:41 pm »
Hi,

unfortunately in german but here it comes:

http://youtu.be/Bw9KveY3KRo

Hope you enjoy it!

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Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: February 02, 2013, 10:47:12 pm »

I thought I answered these about two weeks ago on the eCS mailing list.  However, I'll answer again.


Sorry, but this informations unfortunately never reached me. Thanks though.

And once again - my Intention is not to blame someone or something, it is just that I want to point the developers to - in my opinion - some theoretical but important problems users might have or face while trying to install ecs 2.2.
Theoretical because unfortunately it is not possible to test a beta as it is reschedulded and therefore delayed from month to month.....

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Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: January 30, 2013, 12:37:21 pm »
Although answered numerous times here again what I can say from the top of my head -

3) no, yes
4) no
5) 3 dirs are created at root. AFAIR /usr /etc /var

Quote
Might it be possible to answer this easy question with an easy YES or NO?  - > Thanks in Advance!
No. As you see above I needed a little more for 5)  ;)

I could give here links to the netlabs rpm sites and readmes, but this is would be more than YES or NO too....  :)

Thanks you very much, Andi! I know that I am a bit annoying sometimes  ;)

For 3 your answer is: 3) no, yes

-> that leads me to my initial conclusions:

During install I have two possibilities: install YUM/RPM on bootdrive or on another drive
-> If I want to install it on another Drive this drive has to be already created and formatted before the "real" installation starts, otherwise I will not be able to install ODIN and so on...
-> If the Drive is not present or if I am "Just" a simple user (like me  ::)  ) and I have no deep information about it while installing I will choose the installation drive. In this case I have to have in mind to have more than 2GB at hand, otherwise - as all the executables of future YUM/RPM programs will go into the bootdrive as well - I will soon run out of space.

It is a pitty that I can not use my mother tongue to explain what I want to stress, but this time I will just write a few sentences in German and am sorry for this  8)

-> Ohne entsprechende Hinweise vor oder während der Installation wird Otto Normalverbraucher nicht realisieren können, welch wichtige Entscheidung er zu treffen hat, WO genau YUM/RPM installiert werden soll. Folgt er den Hinweisen von Mensys wonach für die Installation insgesamt 2GB Platz genug wären und ist er sich nicht im klaren, dass bei Installation von YUM/RPM auf dem Bootlaufwerk sein Plattenplatz evtl. zügig zur Neige geht (weil große Teile aller Folgeprogramme ebenfalls dort abgelegt werden), wird er oder sie nicht lange Freude an seiner Installation haben.

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