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Applications / Re: 3d launch pad
« on: January 14, 2019, 01:09:33 am »
It did just crash for me, trp report sent. It is nice as long as using png icons, the native ones look like crap blown up.

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Internet / Re: Unable to download PDF documents with FF 38.8
« on: January 14, 2019, 12:07:26 am »
Thanks for that bit of information but how does one patch into the experimental repro with the anpm?

Install the exp-repo package, update libc and libcx and then to be safe, uninstall the exp-repo package after rebooting.
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The attached trp file is what I get when trying to start your FF45.9.

Did I forget to add the xqs files? Unluckily I didn't keep the dist\ directory from the PhenomII build due to lack of room (thought a 100GBs would be enough) so if I forgot, they're gone. For SM and TB, they're automatically packaged, whereas for Firefox, I have to create and add them manually. Going to have to fork Firefox and do a few minor updates such as packaging the XQS files :)
You could also test the Pentium M build, shouldn't have the dependency on the newer libc, if that's the problem, and have xqs files so we can trace the crash. Memory allocation errors for example will show up in libc even though it is Firefox with the bad code.

Edit, that is the netlabs-exp package. Perhaps also add the libc and libcx debug packages.

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Setup & Installation / Re: Delete shadow without deleting the program.
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:36:26 pm »
OS: eComstation 2.1 ( last version from from XEU)
PC: Thinkpad T400 (Penryn/Centrino chipset)
xWorkplace: 1.0.x

I know it is an "RTFM" question, but I don't have an OS/2 manual to read (except for a few books on PC-DOS and the WordStar manual).

I have desktop shadows for MESA 2, WordStar 7A, WSEdit, WDSibyl and OpenWatcom C/C++ and OpenWatcom Tools programs. They take up the entire top row of my Workplace shell I would like to have a cleaner Workplace shell without a lot of shadow shortcuts.

Can I reduce desktop clutter by removing some of these unwanted shadows? Is it possible to delete a desktop shadow without deleting the program? Where does that program reside after deleting the shadow?

Thank you all for any suggestions. I can explain further if you need.

Are you sure they're shadows and not program or folder objects? Here on ArcaOS, a shadow has blue title while original object has white. Right click on the icon, if a shadow, there will be a menu choice, Original with an arrow that if clicked will have 3 choices including Locate, which will locate the original.
If an Object, the properties should show the location under the file tab.
If a shadow, just drag it to the trashcan. If they are actually objects, perhaps drag them into a desktop folder such as Programs-->Development for the OpenWatcom stuff.

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Hardware / Re: Large mouse pointer for high resolution desktop ?
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:18:46 pm »
I use OS/4 on one partition.  I uses their modified dive.dll.  I use comet cursors here also.  Need to see is FF is affected.  Sadly, I have not paid attention.

Note the backwards pref I mentioned. DIVE should help with video playback but IIRC, doesn't work on Mozilla with Panorama.

You can disable the shadow buffer in Panorama, set MOZ_ACCELERATED to 1 or 2 and set the pref which should force DIVE to work. MOZ_ACCELERATED set to 1 hides the pointer, 2 doesn't.
Untested here.
Run Firefox like so, to capture stdout and stderr,
Code: [Select]
firefox.exe 2>&1 | tee firefox.log

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Hardware / Re: Large mouse pointer for high resolution desktop ?
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:39:16 am »
I use OS/4 on one partition.  I uses their modified dive.dll.  I use comet cursors here also.  Need to see is FF is affected.  Sadly, I have not paid attention.

Note the backwards pref I mentioned. DIVE should help with video playback but IIRC, doesn't work on Mozilla with Panorama.

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Snap will only give lots of resolution choices if using a supported chipset whereas Panorama can patch some video BIOS's to add more resolutions. In short don't bother with Snap unless you have a supported chipset (see readme in the Snap directory).
You will probably get better performance with 64K colours, only half the amount of memory involved. I see this on real hardware playing videos in the browser.
VirtualAddressLimit really depends on your hardware as IBM never really added the logic to tell where system memory ends and hardware memory starts. I've successfully used 3072 on various systems, this one got funky until I lowered it to 2560. Generally 2048 should be fine but there is a bug in the kernel where if you load DLLs high, the shared memory doesn't get released, easy to see in Theseus, hard to get more then a few days of uptime if you're opening and closing things like the browser if they're set to load DLLs high. We do only have 512MBs minus system use, so about 300MB, of lower memory.

The hardware is a VM in this case. The 64K colors really does look worse than 16M for photos. Even the default ArcaOS logo looks worse. The gradients don't look good. But there is clearly a problem at 3840x2160x32bpp .

OK, I agree that 16M colours look better. This is my main system and I need to be able to play videos so I compromise.
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On bare metal, I have only nVidia video cards (many different models) and apparently Panorama cannot patch the BIOS on those either, so it is quite limited unfortunately, much more so than what I'm getting in a VM.

It still seems to me that SNAP should be able to use all the resolutions that the VESA VBE BIOS supports, which includes the custom ones for the Virtualbox VM. Somehow, Panorama can do this, and GENGRADD does this (at least on ECS), but SNAP seems to have a hardcoded set of resolutions, and nothing else works, even with GAMON / GACTRL . Anyway, I don't need 3 video drivers to work - just one is fine.

Testing on my T42 (ATI Mobility Radeon 7500), the stock SNAP doesn't give too many choices, but the Arca Noae Snap allows up to 2048x1536x16M with 32 MBs of video ram. Kind of irritating using it with a 1024x768 monitor but it works well. I believe you need a supported chipset to use wide resolutions.
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I don't think the amount of RAM is really in an issue for the OS/2 VM, whether it's 1GB or 3GB. This is a 32-bit OS that used to run just fine with <64MB of RAM. 1GB of RAM really is plenty. Maybe only browsers are pushing the envelope these days. I haven't checked how much Firefox consumes. Is there another lighter weight browser available ?

This is about address space, not amount of ram. At one point I needed the whole 3GBs of address space to link a debug xul.dll and with only 1.5GB of real ram, even found the swapper limit of 2GB. Gave me a swap file full error and crash with lots of room, they should have used a larger type or at least unsigned:)
Firefox can use a lot of ram. It tries to allocate in high memory first. There's also the shared memory issue where loading the DLLs, especially xul.dll, into high memory helps. As mentioned, the kernel has a bug and doesn't release this memory so after a few restarts, the system will go down. I resurrected the old mozturbo for this issue, keeps the DLLs loaded and helps a lot.
There are a couple of QT4 based browsers available, they're old. Look on Netlabs, Qt4 apps.
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What I would really like to get to work is SMP in the guest. It seems some people have succeeded with VMWare. I won't be trying that today, though :)

Also, apparently there is a shared clipboard feature for Virtualbox.

It is referenced here :
https://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/EComStation_2.x_as_a_VirtualBox_5.x_Guest#Shared_Clipboard

Are they talking about the Virtualbox OS/2 guest additions ? If so, which driver ? I believe I have all the additions installed in my ArcaOS VM, but shared clipboard doesn't work.

Edit: yes, it's the guest additions, which I already have. But there is a checkbox in the VM setting also, which I wasn't aware of. It works now.

Or are they referencing something else that's for ECS only ? Either way, I have an ECS 2.0 license and key, and an ECS 2.0 VM too. I haven't tried the additions in that VM yet.

Weirdly, there was 2 guest additions updates at about the same time. the official which I assume you have, were done by Bird (Knut St. Osmunson) who did the OS/2 libc for Mozilla 1.5 and is the vbox build system maintainer at Oracle, and Valery. There's a recent thread (the one you referenced?) here on Valery's additions. They've both got positives and negatives.

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Hardware / Re: Large mouse pointer for high resolution desktop ?
« on: January 13, 2019, 06:58:35 am »
Yes the problems with the comet cursor and Mozilla seem to be gone.

Also tried in my ECS 2.0 VM with an ancient Firefox 4.0.1 . No issue with the comet cursor with GENGRADD at 3840x2160x16bpp in Virtualbox . I guess that's one problem I never saw.

Yes the problems with the comet cursor and Mozilla seem to be gone.

Also tried in my ECS 2.0 VM with an ancient Firefox 4.0.1 . No issue with the comet cursor with GENGRADD at 3840x2160x16bpp in Virtualbox . I guess that's one problem I never saw.

IIRC, it was to do with DIVE and/or hardware cursors and generally DIVE is disabled with current video drivers. Enough people had the problem that it was recommended to not use the comet cursor.
I'll test with a supported chipset (T42) and see if I can reproduce.
Hmm, had a hell of a time getting DIVE working, seems someone has changed the pref, layers.accelerated to be backwards, when at the default of true, stderr outputs that it is set to false and disables DIVE. Setting it to false allows DIVE and the comet cursor didn't seem to hurt. Anyways stupid change, they should have just changed the default if they wanted to disable DIVE due to the comet cursor issue, and I don't know why else to disable video acceleration unless it's a bug. I'll look at the code later.
On eCS 2.2b2 with Firefox 10.12 and the SNAP I downloaded from Lenovo, when the mouse cursor changes, eg to the pointing finger, the whole system blocks for up to a minute, and then comes alive again. Be irritating inputting text.
Also discovered DIVE can only be enabled in FF with 16M colours.

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Hardware / Re: Large mouse pointer for high resolution desktop ?
« on: January 13, 2019, 02:36:48 am »
Yes the problems with the comet cursor and Mozilla seem to be gone.

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Applications / Re: USB pendrive on OS2 4.52 VBox guest
« on: January 13, 2019, 02:34:44 am »
Hi Doug

Presumably "the built in AN Removable Media Monitor (REMM) widget" is something exclusive to ArcaOS?
Is this a widget for the xcenter?

Hi Pete,
It is exclusive to ArcaOS and is an xcenter widget that Rich wrote. Very nice. Handles ISO's too with the ISO mounter that Rich also wrote/fixed and I believe is only available with ArcaOS.

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Internet / Re: Unable to download PDF documents with FF 38.8
« on: January 13, 2019, 02:31:10 am »
Hi Ivan, it likely needs the libc and possibly the libcx from the experimental repository. Sorry, I tried to remember to back level everything before building but likely forgot this.

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I still think a native code benchmark would be preferable to one written in Python.

For testing LAN performance, there is iperf3 on other platforms, but I have not found an OS/2 port.

There is https://88watts.net/download/netio-1.33.zip for testing LAN performance. http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/util/network/netio132.zip has binaries for most other systems.

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Snap will only give lots of resolution choices if using a supported chipset whereas Panorama can patch some video BIOS's to add more resolutions. In short don't bother with Snap unless you have a supported chipset (see readme in the Snap directory).
You will probably get better performance with 64K colours, only half the amount of memory involved. I see this on real hardware playing videos in the browser.
VirtualAddressLimit really depends on your hardware as IBM never really added the logic to tell where system memory ends and hardware memory starts. I've successfully used 3072 on various systems, this one got funky until I lowered it to 2560. Generally 2048 should be fine but there is a bug in the kernel where if you load DLLs high, the shared memory doesn't get released, easy to see in Theseus, hard to get more then a few days of uptime if you're opening and closing things like the browser if they're set to load DLLs high. We do only have 512MBs minus system use, so about 300MB, of lower memory.

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Internet / Re: Unable to download PDF documents with FF 38.8
« on: January 12, 2019, 08:35:18 pm »
The PDF reader was/is an extension that is now integrated into Firefox. https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/. SeaMonkey users still need to manually install it I believe.

Extensions can be hit or miss but with care they add to the functionality of the browser (and email client).
Profile problems, even without any extensions or plugins are very well documented, on all OSes. And a badly timed crash will cause problems.
As for library problems, i had a crash the other day that screwed up my install of NSS, couldn't load pages, couldn't download email, one core at 100%, had to downgrade and ten upgrade NSS to fix it. It's possible to have library problems even if you do everything right. Ivan is (was?) manually installing his dependencies so it is even more likely to be a library problem.

The hosts file works well but I still don't like other peoples code running on my computer if I don't request it, especially with our old, unmaintained browser so I run no-script and have a couple of other add-ons as well. No-script has a high learning curve and isn't for everyone.
One thing the modern browser has done has made malware truly cross platform. At least we're saved by stupid scripts trying to run C:\WINDOWS\CMD.EXE.

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Internet / Re: Unable to download PDF documents with FF 38.8
« on: January 12, 2019, 06:42:31 pm »
I have been following this thread, trying to figure out what the problem is. I can download PDF (and other) files , with no troubles.

I am running ArcaOS 5.0.3, with Firefox 45.9.0. Firefox has ZERO add-ons (which is probably the key to success), and one plugin (Open H264...), that says it "will be installed shortly", but never does. It seems that it isn't needed anyway.
The Open H264 plugin doesn't work on OS/2 due to DLL naming problems. The reason for downloading the rest of it is licensing and it is actually for video chat
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When I click on a PDF file, it opens for read, in a new window in Firefox. At the top of the window, there are buttons, and one of them is Download (sometimes, you need to expand the menu selections, with the far right button, to see the Download button). After it is downloaded, I use Lucide to read/print/edit (when it has edit fields) the PDF file.

Sounds like you have the pdf reader extension installed :)
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You can also RMB on the download link, and select "Save Link As...", without opening it for read (normal download procedure).

Have I missed something? What else do you want to do?

Ivan's problem is in his profile, probably a crash screwed up his contents-prefs.sqlite file, namely leaving a bad filename in there. He's decided to try a new profile.
As for his problems with 45.9, probably a library problem.


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Applications / Re: USB pendrive on OS2 4.52 VBox guest
« on: January 12, 2019, 01:36:44 am »
Hi mauro

"USB stick is already connected when my system boots" - there is the problem. OS/2 systems do not expect usb drives to be attached at boot.

OTOH, I've had broken sticks that were only seen if attached at boot, at least until I did the LVM+formatting.

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