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Applications / Re: VisualAge 2.0 Smalltalk
« on: April 06, 2021, 09:56:30 pm »
If you know it runs on OS/2 4.5 (MCP 1 or MCP 2). Then installing the latest patches will most likely  not fix it to run on ArcaOS.
Rather feels like a shot in the dark.

You might have more luck opening a support ticket at https://mantis.arcanoae.com.
Attach a testlog and describe your issue.
https://www.arcanoae.com/wiki/reporting-problems-best-practices/

Roderick Klein

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I am just about certain that Arca Noae will never include any of these media players in ArcaOS.
When I still worked at Mensys on eComStation the gigantic amount of patent royalties that would need to be paid was to big...
I looked at licensing some of these formats. The amounts you had to pay per audio of video codec sold, could be a few thousands Dollars a year at a minimum per codec.  The issue is that any audio or/media player is covered by software mountains of softeare patent. Very few video codecs are patent free/royalty...

And in the United States I think the patent system in regards to software patents is screwed up beyond repair.
Sadly the EU seems to be following the same stupid strategy to make software easier and easier to patent.

This company is not the only one, a patent on a mobile phone app:
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/can-you-patent-your-mobile-app
Give me a break a patent on a mobile app ?

This website gives a good inside how so many patents are being handed out that are "non obvious to a skilled person in the arts" .
https://www.eff.org/issues/stupid-patent-month

Taking it back to media players if you want to distribite a open source media player with a commercial product like ArcaOS, be prepared to have deep pockets to pay all the license fees...

Roderick

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Web applications / Re: Otter Browser 1.0 [teaser]
« on: March 08, 2021, 05:51:47 pm »
Dimitry,

great to hear about your efforts! Please make a focus to the installation process. Installation of simplebrowser was not funny and failed on my computer after a lot of trials.

That is the intend of the new browser as it will be distributed via RPM.

Note that I think it was pretty obvious the test browser was preview version... The readme I think made that pretty clear...

Roderick

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Article Discussions / Re: OS/2 eZine - Down
« on: March 01, 2021, 12:34:25 pm »
I own the domain name these days. It seems the IP address in the DNS entry is incorrect. I will check when I  get home.

Roderick

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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 25, 2021, 11:11:22 pm »
While its a free world a lot of people in my opinion take the free development of BWW simply for granted.
As I mentioned in my Warpstock US presentation we checked the logs of the Netlabs RPM server.
In about one month (during the summer break). We had about 600 unique IP addresses connect with Arca Noae Package Manager to download updates. Knowing that by far not everybody uses ANPM on a daily basis that gives a much better inside in the private users using OS/2/ArcaOS. Its a bigger number then we thought it is.

Please Roderick, remove this from your speech. It sounds like Microsoft counting the statistics of MS Office piracy and crying out loud they could be making more money.

The RPM server statistics are not potential donators, if you ever think about charging money for the libraries on the netlabs RPM it will backfire. It may get money the first two months and later squeeze more people out of the community. That is called "bread for today, hunger for tomorrow" in simple words. In my experience only desperate salesman uses that strategy to cash their check at the end of the month and burn the customer for any future relationship within the company.

The donations are what they are, and I don't like treating the OS/2 community members as cheapo bastards living at the expense of software developers. It is better to inspire people to support the project by showing how important it is for our community and how much progress had Bitwise showed, instead of insulting the community saying that they haven't given enough.
 
The modern browser is an important project for the community and a lot of people had chipped in knowing that Bitwise can deliver. I can only suggest to change your speech into something more positive and don't get frustrated.

Regards
Martin I was busy at work, that is why I am responding late. I still think a response is proper to give.

From my perspective my speech is and has been positive. I have been writing news letters on articles.os2voice.org about the new browser.
I think I have done everything I can do to inspire people.

What I was trying to make clear is that I have been collecting a large amount of the money needed for the new browser via OS/2 VOICE.
But that OS/2 VOICE has 100 email addresses in our of people that donate/donated. Some donations went via the German
OS/2 community other via the BWW webshop. The biggest part of the donations came via OS/2 VOICE to BWW

Martin wrote:
"The RPM server statistics are not potential donators, if you ever think about charging money for the libraries on the netlabs RPM it will backfire."

Why are people that are using ANPM to download RPM packages from rpm.netlabs.org not potential donors ?
The point is that just about all the DLL files in rpm.netlabs.org are from BWW.

I BTW never mentioned anywhere that the RPM files would go behind locked doors.

Nobody is a salesmen here. In 2019 Silvan put in about 7000 Euro privately to help BWW pay for Dmitry his salary.  OS/2 VOICE board members do not get paid for work, just like board memebers of Warpstock US.

When I see that about 600 people download RPM updates from BWW and over a period of 3 years I get about 100 email addresses....

All I am pointing out is that of the 100 email address we have about 7 to 8 people paid about 70% of what VOICE has sponsored BWW
over the last 2 years... Yes one person donated more then 10.000 Dollars over the last 2 years...

This message is/was an SOS to the OS/2 community again that rpm.netlabs.org needs money to be updated by BWW.
And if people can not give a donation, especially in the corona crisis I can understand that.
I however see how many donations come in...

The new browser can be downloaded free of charge as the current plans are. But it will have screen it you can not remove unless you make a
minimal donation. Also updates and support will only be provided. So basically the idea is the same with the browser.  Sell it as Open Office binaries how they are currently distributed.

Until we reach that point, we need more donations to finish the browser.

Roderick


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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 24, 2021, 06:55:28 pm »
Looking at the problems here it appears that 90% of them would have been solved if someone thought to make available a zip file that included ALL the odd and extraneous DLLs at the beginning.  What we have is a mish mash of real DLLs and experimental ones that are not guaranteed to remain the same in the long term - not a good way to present a new browser for inspection by the public.

I might consider this new browser if it ever gets to prime time and is supplied as an all inclusive package - until then, anytime forefox on OS/2 fails I will use firefox on linux.

First all I think it was pretty obvious from the name and the readme this is preview version nothing of prime time browser.
As for a stand alone ZIP file neither BWW or VOICE has the time todo this.  And while that package was released more DLL's where being updated.
Sorry releasing a ZIP is simply not an option with the extremely limited human resources VOICE and BWW have.

This release was intended show the community something after long delay what we have. The delay I explained already was because a lot of unforseen setbacks.

As for DLL"s remaining the same that is also the case with LIBC RPM updates they also get modified a few times a year the DLL's.
Long term LIBC DLL's that remain the same (if that is what you mean) will not happen. We keep getting more and more needed updates
if we want to port software to OS/2 and ArcaOS.

Roderick

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Applications / Re: [SOLVED] highmem.exe can't load xul.dll
« on: February 17, 2021, 08:46:59 pm »
Not surprised you needed the newer kernel, only a bit surprised about the trap. The kernel internally is DOSCALL0.DLL and is closely matched to DOSCALL1.
Be aware that there are still bugs in that kernel with high memory. The worst is that high memory isn't correctly released when closing the browser, so if you open and close FF repeatedly, things get funky.
You can install one of the mozturbo programs to keep the DLLs loaded or reboot regularly.

I do not know about OS/4 but all other kernels do not have this update the 14.202 kernel has.

I am not aware of more bugs with the high loading of DLL's and unloading. If issue's report how to reproduce or we need a memory dump.

Roderick

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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 14, 2021, 03:56:29 pm »
Based on the amount of email addreses OS/2 VOICE has collected via Paypal for donations I would say maybe between 5 and 10% of the OS/2 community has donated. The rest download free of charge....
Roderick
I don't do Paypal, paid direct, so be careful with your assumptions.

Its not an assumption sadly. Do you know how much money for BWW came in via OS/2 VOICE for the total QT project ?

http://www.os2voice.org/images/Financial_Report_2019.pdf
2019 25.400,00 Euro we sponsored BWW with.

2020 report is still to be published, but we collected 20.600,00 Euro over 2020.

Effectively VOICE is the pushing locomotive behind collecting funding for BWW.
We gladly help BWW!

Roderick

That makes me wonder, Roderick. I hope you do not count the Donations made by all the attendences,Thomas Müller and me during the OS/2 user Meetings, the collections I started on OS2.Org (the german community) and the money I donated myself as "Donated via OS2VOICE". That would not be true.

I would guess this collections here named "from us" should have bring some amount of 10.000 - 13.000 Euro to bww.

You are not the only locomotion that put a lot of efforts in it, and it is some kind of frustrating and demotivating to read this.

The New Browser is NOT an "OS2VOICE ONLY" Project!


Oke I did not mention the efforts via os2.org that is completely true and a valid statement Sigurd, I had forgotten about that writing
late in the night. Sorry about that!  In 2019 (I would need to check our records). OS/2 VOICE funded work on the Firefox 45 brower for 2 or 3 months in 2019. All payments made to BWW are listed in the financial year reports as one number, not split up per project.

What is was trying to make clear is that every bit of spare time I had left I spent on collecting funding for the new browser.
I also initiated the project with BWW in Ocotber 2017. 
http://articles.os2voice.org/category/software/11-sponsorship-needed-for-new-os-2-web-browser.html

At that time it was already clear to me we needed todo something and it was either Pale Moon or QT based web browser.

Joop mentioned that I should be careful with my assumptions. Well I will explain further in my follow up post what my conclusions are based on.
Just to clarify.

Sorry for not mentioning your efforts.

Roderick

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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 14, 2021, 03:34:29 pm »
I would say, I personally donated during the last almost 3 1/2 years a fair amount of money, donated some hardware and collected money with Thomas Müller together during our last User Meetings in Cologne (this is NOT fishing for complements).

I may be one of the minority of users whom still use OS/2 instead of ArcaOS (I would and do advise everyone asking me to use ArcaOS) and what makes me thinking about the browser is this:

It is recommended to use the 14.202 Kernel, this Kernel is (for sure for some good reason) permitted only to use in combination with ArcaOS.

The conclusion as for now is for me: The new Browser will not (reliable if at all) run on OS/2 or eComStation Installations. I wonder if in the future the same will happen to a possible NVMe Driver i.e. ArcaNoae has to decide on its own, while having to follow the contract given/made with IBM.

But, will ArcaOS be the only future for OS/2? I am still very happy to use the AN Software Subscription for Drivers to have an up to date Warp 4.52 without ANPM (this is my special vision of using OS/2).

While testing the new QT based browser an issue was found that the highres timer (while not part of the ACPI specs) the ACPI.PSD provides this functionality. Dmitry had opened a ticket with AN and the latest ACPI a modification was made to the highres worked better (?). I do not know what was modified. As for the kernel the issue is that the if you want to load more programs next to each other with the new browser running you need to run highmem.exe to load the code segments of large programs such as the new browser high. See the readme.txt for details.

Kernel 14.202 has fix that when a DLL is loaded high and its unloaded so the memory is actually released! Other IBM kernels do not have this feature.
So you will run out high memory pretty quickly if you load and unload DLL in high memory....

Roderick


Roderick

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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 14, 2021, 12:51:56 am »
Hi Roderick,

It is not easy to make donation due paypal doesn't provide any option to pay without a paypla account. This is a paypal setting issue. I has this issue with some US shops and after they corrected they setting with paypal assitance, all was made right.
 
Rémy

I missed that posting because of being at work. I working on donation.os2voice.org. Its not finished yet but then you can pay witrh creditcards without a Paypal account. The website is however not live yet!

Roderick

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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 14, 2021, 12:46:43 am »
Based on the amount of email addreses OS/2 VOICE has collected via Paypal for donations I would say maybe between 5 and 10% of the OS/2 community has donated. The rest download free of charge....
Roderick
I don't do Paypal, paid direct, so be careful with your assumptions.

Its not an assumption sadly. Do you know how much money for BWW came in via OS/2 VOICE for the total QT project ?

http://www.os2voice.org/images/Financial_Report_2019.pdf
2019 25.400,00 Euro we sponsored BWW with.

2020 report is still to be published, but we collected 20.600,00 Euro over 2020.

Effectively VOICE is the pushing locomotive behind collecting funding for BWW.
We gladly help BWW!

Roderick



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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 12, 2021, 08:24:37 am »
I will check I thought you could also pay with creditcards with logging in.

You live in France right, when the server is backup, check www.os2voice.org/membership.html. You can also send a donation to our Dutch Bank acocunt.
Please specify with the payment its for QT sponsorship. And while we would like to accept checks, please do not send checks to VOICE.
Its extremely expensive to process a check for small amounts. If you send a check 20 Euro it would most likely cost just about the same amount to process it.

Roderick

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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 12, 2021, 12:14:02 am »
The work on the browser is slower than anticipated. I listened to someone say it would be out in 2017. Now, listening to what is being worked, I wonder if 2021 is realistic goal. Further, how can the project survive financially? I'm crossing my fingers that it will continue, and that the community will contribute enough to keep Bitwise in the OS/2 browser development business.

In any case, anyone who wants to could provide the DLLs needed. This forum accepts attachments up to 25MB.

I use a test system just for this project. It is set up exactly as the readme suggests. I already know a system with .exp could be modified beyond repair.

The new web engine render some web pages a lot faster than Firefox. There are still features missing. Some web pages will not render. While I need access to those pages, I'd rather have Bitwiseworks continue on their current path to provide a browser that works on some web sites. Firefox 45 has some pretty serious flaws.

After the new browser is released, I hope some of the missing pieces can be developed to pick up the rest of my critical websites.

I am getting system traps and process traps. I expect these to become less with more development time.

The IPC (Inter Process Communication is being worked as we speak. After the otter browser will be compiled. So we are not that far off.

As for it taking longer I have said before. Its has taken longer because we have very
few human resources and a large part of the delay has been caused because of things we could not for oversee before the project was started.  See the readme.txt of the QT browser for more details.

Its true we also have had the risk of BWW not receiving funding. I have been working to try and keep it going.

While its a free world a lot of people in my opinion take the free development of BWW simply for granted.
As I mentioned in my Warpstock US presentation we checked the logs of the Netlabs RPM server.
In about one month (during the summer break). We had about 600 unique IP addresses connect with Arca Noae Package Manager to download
updates. Knowing that by far not everybody uses ANPM on a daily basis that gives a much better inside in the private users using
OS/2/ArcaOS. Its a bigger number then we thought it is.

But as always only a small portion contributes financially to BWW.

Based on the amount of email addreses OS/2 VOICE has collected via Paypal for donations I would say maybe between 5 and 10% of the
OS/2 community has donated. The rest download free of charge....

Again donations welcome, they are badly needed:

http://www.os2voice.org/membership.html

Roderick

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Hardware / Re: OS/2 on Virtualbox with 8 COM ports
« on: February 11, 2021, 11:22:43 pm »
Hi Martin,
The tools It’s for semiconductor industries, produced in 90’s by Gasonics.
https://images.app.goo.gl/jqKjd7zR9uZ6Pkst6
It have 3 pc, one cluster and two process chamber.
Unfortunately we don’t have installation floppies or cds od OS/2 so the only solution I have is to clone the HDs and try to run it on new pc.
The VHD clone works very well in Virtualbox, but I cannot test on a tool until I can have 8 COM ports.
Other problem may be the communication between the 3 pc via internal network. I think erhernet...
Regards

If you want to migrate to new hardware it is indeed a good idea to clone the hard disc before the discs fall over.
You can use DFsee for this www.dfsee.com. You can hook up the disc from the OS/2 system with a USB PATA adapter on a Windows machine and clone the disc.

I have seen more people who want to clone an OS/2 to new hardware. But I found it easier simply copying the directories with the application to  new OS/2/ArcaOS system and modidy the config.sys as needed. Takes some trial and, but real cook book how to do it, just try.

Check libpath, path etc and any set statements. Especially check for entries in the config.sys that contain the directory in which the software is installed.

Roderick Klein

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Web applications / Re: QT5 simplebrowser
« on: February 09, 2021, 05:43:39 pm »
FYI: Roderick posted some information of the "Test version of the new QT based browser".  He updated the readme.txt (2021-02-07) to help with some doubts.

Silvan from Bitwise Works corrected on twitter that it is not a test version of the new browser, it is a proof of concept with a very simple browser within qtwebengine.

Anyways, feedback is welcome. I remain myself optimist about this project, we really need a modern browser.

Regards

Well then I did not word it optimal, sorry not intended wrong in any way :-)

What I tried to achieve with the readme is that this is a test browser from the QT framework.
It lacks some of the features of a normal browser. Wha is does show is that this rendering engine is way more spec compliant then Firefox 45 is.

I hope people are willing to make a donation.

Roderick

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