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Comments, Suggestions & Questions / Re: ArcaOS 5.0 on xxxxxx.com
« on: January 19, 2023, 08:09:10 am »
Hi Mentore.

Since Lewis (from Arca Noae) replied and is now aware of the issue, I prefered to censor the name of the website.

Regards

Thanks Martin, I agree with you.
Mentore

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Comments, Suggestions & Questions / ArcaOS 5.0 on xxxxxx.com
« on: January 17, 2023, 07:59:13 am »
Hello all, and most notably @Roderick Klein and all the people directly involved in ArcaNoae.

I just checked xxxxxx.com, which is a site containing "abandonware" software, constantly growing. I don't have trouble with abandonware software, but I'm seeing listed ArcaOS 5.0.

Which is DEFINITELY NOT ABANDONWARE.

I'm trying to warn the site and ask them to remove every copy of ArcaOS from their system. I'm asking all you os2world people to do the same.

Thanks all
Mentore

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Applications / Re: Porting question
« on: January 17, 2023, 07:53:57 am »
Ahh ok...  Yes, makes sense you'd have to keep up ODIN with new libraries. 

Wish I was a programmer so I could help with porting......    Anything a non-programmer can do to help?

Thanks!

-m

Actually I think one of the biggest issues with Microsoft products is that most Windows programs are written in .NET.

.NET shares many similarities with the OS/2 SOM, from what I remember of the latter, but they have different dialects. What's worse is that .NET has become a full interface to the entire system, so porting an application would mean first of all porting all .NET to OS/2: and here comes the problem, since .NET is open source (and Linux has got it) but so big that we would require huge manpower to try and port it - then again, .NET is 64-bit aware, while OS/2 Kernel is not. This is just a quick handful of problems.

Mentore

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You know what? What's really ironic is that OS/2 is most probably the first 32-bit operating system which actually came bundled with a virtualization environment - the VDM. One can launch theoretically as many real DOS environments in what looks really close to a sandbox, work in them, erase them if they crash, use different DOS versions (or maybe even CP/M?  ;D) and it was all already included in the system.
This, and the similarities between SOM and the recent incarnations of .NET under Windows and Linux just make me think how advanced OS/2 was at the time of its launch. An incredible feature and skill set wasted by IBM...

Mentore

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Applications / Re: Software Wishlist for 2023
« on: January 06, 2023, 05:19:16 pm »
Eventually, we're likely to need ipv6 support. Probably mean a new TCPIP stack, a major job.

Indeed a major rewrite, since the TCP/IP stack available does know nothing about IPv6. Maybe many low level drivers to be rewritten from scratch: I'm afraid of possible problems related to 64-bit needs...

Mentore

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Programming / Re: Qt6
« on: November 11, 2022, 08:41:21 am »
Seems one of the problems was LTS versions of QT5 (excepting the web engine) were only available commercially, KDE kept its own repository of patches for that and also some modules such as the charting one are only available under a commercial license.
Wouldn't be surprised that they floated the idea of only commercial licensing and got so much push back that they caved. It happened before.

I recently installed Qt6 on the Windows machine I work with and yes, there is an open source solution which I think Paul will find useful.
Paul, I cannot praise you enough for your incredible work on porting software for OS/2. And even if this should not bring anywhere, it will however have some impact on OS/2 software development.

Mentore

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Programming / Re: Building Qt5
« on: November 04, 2022, 09:38:06 am »
Sure, see I used the system pcre and also I only built a release build as previously I had problems building both. Also I have -no-dbus on my configure line.

I think I give up.... I'm still getting this error ever after getting a config.summary almost identical to yours....

It's weird, I had the problem with not detecting libvpx, which only went away when I moved to a different install. I really can't see why it was failing, the headers are identical and Mozilla built fine using the system libvpx.
Guess you could nuke your Unixroot tree and start over.
I still have to test a debug build and a both build, just reluctant as it takes 12 hours+ and can't do anything else on the machine due to memory shortage.

@Dave, @Paul, hope you'll give another try. I'm pretty much absent from the scene due to zero spare time, but still I'm keeping a close eye on what's happening to OS/2. Willing to work again on it ASAP, so I'll check on your progress. Keep up!

Mentore

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Multimedia / Re: Mic/Line in with UniAud (3.0.1)
« on: September 27, 2022, 06:02:31 pm »
and the laptop with debug build

I now tried the "Direct Audio" in "IBM Developer's Toolkit version 4.5" subfolder "Multimedia Sample Programs" and
played REC said bla bla bla, stopped it and played it back... with a lot of noise, but I could hear my own bla bla bla.
So can it use the internal mic perhaps?
"Audio Recorder" in the same "Multimedia Sample Programs" refuse however to work.

IIRC Audio Recorder is an MMPM/2 software. This should mean it needs a Media Control Interface to work, which most probably isn't available with Uniaud.

DART, instead, seems working, albeit "with a lot of noise" as you say. My experiences in recording audio with OS/2 are terribly old so I don't remember if I used Uniaud or the old (but good) Soundblaster Live! drivers (or the horrible AWE64 drivers). You may find useful also PlayRec, a command-line utility which is also able to display the input level during recording.

Mentore

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Applications / Re: VisualAge for C Modern Installer
« on: September 21, 2022, 08:16:46 am »
Yes, it would be nice, but QtCreator is not a generic IDE. It's tailored to Qt development.

Thanks Joche, I guess you are right. I download it and I don't see any generic Non Qt project on the list.

I guess if we are dreaming we should aim for the Eclipse IDE and/or Apache Netbeans, right?

Regards

Well, from a non-commercial POV this is probably the best solution one can seek imho. On the "abandonware" side the best editors for OS/2 are the VAC 4 IDE and (AFAIK) Visual SlickEdit, together with I seem to remember VisualAge for SmallTalk.

There was some talk about how to retrieve at least Visual SlickEdit, but nothing more.
Mentore

Talking about VAC.. is there any way to convert Feature Installer based installers to something more modern, so programs like VAC could be installed without having to use Netscape ?..

That's pretty interesting. One could unpack the FI install method and convert it in WarpIN. Just a hint, though.
I still don't have time to work on OS/2 or ArcaOS, even in VM, due to too many things to do (and a 6 months old child!!!), but willing to take action again ASAP. I'll have a look on this if I can.

Mentore

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Applications / Re: OpenSource WishList
« on: September 20, 2022, 08:19:22 am »
Yes, it would be nice, but QtCreator is not a generic IDE. It's tailored to Qt development.

Thanks Joche, I guess you are right. I download it and I don't see any generic Non Qt project on the list.

I guess if we are dreaming we should aim for the Eclipse IDE and/or Apache Netbeans, right?

Regards

Well, from a non-commercial POV this is probably the best solution one can seek imho. On the "abandonware" side the best editors for OS/2 are the VAC 4 IDE and (AFAIK) Visual SlickEdit, together with I seem to remember VisualAge for SmallTalk.

There was some talk about how to retrieve at least Visual SlickEdit, but nothing more.
Mentore

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Applications / Re: Installing programs
« on: September 09, 2022, 08:01:47 am »
I use Linux some but it is a mess.  Unreliable and unnecessarily fussy.
It appears that Arce Noe is nothing but unix or linux with a glued on desktop I am not going to bother with something that is one large Kludge and a deliberately over complicated.  It may be good as a server but a PITA as a desktop device.

Well, indeed Arca Noae is pretty much different from Linux. Based on OS/2 Warp 4.52 with the latest fixes, both its kernel (which is still incredibly robust) and its GUI are something that Linux never had (and never will, imho).
I found its interface pretty user friendly and somehow find myself more "at home" than with any other OS I used, from Mac to Windows (all flavors).

If you're not interested in the linux ported software, simply don't use it. You may find yourself a little short of options, but still.
Mentore

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There is indeed a very very long list of reasons.

OS/4 mentions not a decent Office Package. Warp 3 came with IBM works, it was a hell of lot more then Wordpad. I mean at the OS front OS/2 was hit by Microsoft. But look wat happened to Lotus 1-2-3-> Excel. Wordperfect which was well the defacto DOS word processor. Word and Excel pushed these guys out of the market as well.

IBM did pay vendors to publish games for OS/2. Such as Maxis that published Simcity 2000 for OS/2 and some other game vendors.  But indeed this was to little at to late.

With people getting Windows 95 at home according to one analysis I read a few years ago. People at large companies started to complain why they should use OS/2 at work if they had Windows at home...

As for the driver support that is true. What I think what has also not helped is that CD drives had different standards. Not all CD ROM's where supported by OS/2. With Windows 95 you could load a DOS device driver. Making it easier....

Roderick

Another issue pointed in the article finds me on the same track; the ISV / IBM relationship.
As I read before, IBM at the time was relying on the old principe "Build it and they will come" - we all saw that until Warp 3 the ISV contribution was minimal. This is also because OS/2 2.1 was so good at running DOS and Win 3 software that many users didn't really feel the need to jump on the WPS paradigm, but this also delayed the birth of horizontal OS/2 native applications IMHO.

When Warp 3 was born, IBM started to hear users complaining about games and more native software, and that was good, but a little too late I'm afraid. The Microsoft win32 wagon was about to crash the market (pretty much playing dirty) and IBM started porting Warp 3 on PPC - this also contributed to our problems. Still, OS/2 got some fairly good vertical application, from Eagle (CAD / CAE) to games like simcity 2000 and office apps like Staroffice, but alas, yes - a little too late.

Mentore

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Comments, Suggestions & Questions / Re: Hobbes (Files) Reoganization
« on: July 25, 2022, 08:19:50 am »
Is it worth even keeping v3.1 (and 3.2) around? The latest 3.x was 3.3.6, which perhaps should be uploaded to Hobbes, same with 4.x where the latest seems to have been 4.5.0.
BTW, the last release of XFree86 seems to have been 4.8, which I could probably build, it's EMX, need gcc-elf and an EMX unixroot. Probably some of the xorgs from before they ripped out the imake stuff and/or OS/2 code could also probably be built. I don't see the point unless very bored though.
ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/3.3.6/binaries/OS2/
ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/../pub/xfree86/4.5.0/

Hope you'll find yourself pretty bored ASAP, then  ;)
Mentore

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Off Topic discussions / Re: Slowing Down But Not Hitting the Brakes
« on: May 16, 2022, 08:04:05 am »
Well, this is just the kind of messages one would never write.
My sincerest condolences for your loss - it's clear from your words you love and respect your father.

Take your time. Mourn him and praise him as you find fit. Only after this, please come back with renewed strength.
Hugs from Italy.
Mentore

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As always, you all are a really rich source of information!
I'm following this thread and will see when I'll have time to put my hands on an ArcaOS machine (or more than one). Currently I'm struggling to find some spare time to try the betas for NLVs.

Mentore

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