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Hardware / Re: Displayport?
« on: August 05, 2022, 11:12:58 am »
Just wondering about others experience with Displayport and OS/2. Perhaps a monitor that supports Displayport would be better, it seems
I'm using DP out to DP in on the monitor since a while on this system. But I disabled all screen saving software long ago cause it didn't work. When I've the need for power saving (and don't wanted to switch off the whole system) I switch of the monitor with its remote control. Switching on afterwards works with OS/2. But not with Win7. As this simple test does not even work with Win I never tried to test anymore off this stuff.

Screen saver, actually switching monitor power on/off, never worked on this system. It worked on my old system when I patched to write the proper registers of my old ATI300 graphic card. But never on this newer system. Either with integrated (Intel) graphic nor with the PCIe Radeon 550.

that Displayport falls back to a DVI compatible protocol when used with a passive converter.
This is a feature of your motherboard/graphic chip. The signals are different between DP and DVI. Your mobo detects the DVI adapter and tells the graphic chip and the output transmitter to switch signals to DVI standard. That's a feature of some mobos/graphic cards but not mandatory. Your DP output at your mobo emulates DVI signals when you put a passive adapter on that. But it does not make a real fully compatible DVI interface out of it.

forcing a reboot to awaken it.
Maybe it's enough to disconnect the passive adapter and reconnect it again. But as it's an emulated DVI it will work different on different mobo/graphic cards. I think you would need reports from people with exactly the same motherboard.

General Discussion / Re: I have a problem
« on: July 19, 2022, 09:37:14 am »
The error shown is a moving box saying 'incorrect video resolution',
To make it clear this is a message box coming from the monitor which does not like to show the video signal that is offered to it.
One thing I forgot to mention is that all the monitors are HDMI a
This is an important information in this context. Unfortunately I don't know which resolutions are mandatory with HDMI (guess 720p is one of them, and some other television standards, could be that there is not a single computer resolution mandatory with HDMI cause HDMI was invented for consumer/television market, not computers. So it's up to your specific monitor which resolution it likes or not).

F.i. with DVI 640x480 at 60Hz is mandatory. There seems to be other resolutions are supported by most monitors even when connected via HDMI as modern BIOSes often uses higher resolutions. Guess AirBoot uses 800x600 (it's a guess) which is very well supported by computers (DVI, DisplayPort) but maybe not well supported by monitors connected by HDMI. But could also be that modern BIOSes checks the resolutions the connected monitor offers (via DDC and EDID info) and uses one of the supported ones. This is probably not possible with AirBoot given the limited code space I fear.

Things to check -
- what resolutions does your monitor support via the connector you choose (HDMI in your case)
- what resolution uses current AirBoot
- what resolutions are supported by the majority of monitors out there even when connected via HDMI
Based on that you can kindly ask the AirBoot author to check if he can use better resolution.

Another option would be using a more proper connection method (DP or DVI) and see if that helps.

Btw. the topic you choose is not very specific.

Events / Re: User Meeting Cologne November, 5th 2022 confirmed
« on: July 13, 2022, 07:44:20 am »
So at least I wondered and asked myself why should I use ArcaOS.
Maybe that's a good topic we can talk about in Cologne. Your reply reminds me that we all (including me, I too use mainly an upgraded old installation) sometimes forget what new things we (at least I do) use every day although it still looks like the old Warp 4.52.

Applications / Re: New builds of Thunderbird and SeaMonkey
« on: July 10, 2022, 06:16:07 pm »
Could also be a problem within libcn but without that debug data...
Should I install something? Or is it useless to think more about it cause javascript...? I mean no big problem here. SM is usable. If the version I installed is the most stable version we have, I'm fine. Thanks.

Applications / Re: New builds of Thunderbird and SeaMonkey
« on: July 10, 2022, 12:19:45 pm »
Might be worth trying the GCC10 build from
Problem is reproducibility. SM or TB crashes here about once a day. Most of the time while running OpenOffice and/or VBOX and much more in parallel. It was a one time event I saw today when SM crashes within minutes after boot.

Now and then Seamonkey or TB traps here. But usually I don't thinking about posting or try to analyze the trap report as there are to many processes running at the same time so I see not much help in doing so. But today I see SM vanishing just after a clean boot and at a state where I didn't start any other resource demanding application. I only started SM with the email client and opened some not very demanding web sites (, Beside that I opened MED. Shared mem always was above 160kB - more than safe. So maybe this trap report is of some help. If not, please ignore.

I think I run Daves latest stable SM.
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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.42.9esr
Build-Identifikator: 20220111074847

Build platform
Build tools
Compiler Version Compiler flags
gcc.exe 9.2.0 -Wall -Wempty-body -Wpointer-to-int-cast -Wsign-compare -Wtype-limits -Wno-unused -Wcast-align -Zomf -std=gnu99 -fgnu89-inline -fno-strict-aliasing -Zomf -fno-math-errno -pthread
c++ 9.2.0 -idirafter K:/usr/include/os2tk45 -Wall -Wempty-body -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsign-compare -Wwrite-strings -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wcast-align -Zomf -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing -Zomf -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -fno-math-errno -std=gnu++0x -pthread -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -g -march=pentium4 -mtune=generic -O2 -flifetime-dse=1 -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -Wclass-memaccess -msse2 -fomit-frame-pointer
Configure arguments

--with-l10n-base=k:/work/de --enable-application=suite --with-system-zlib --with-system-bz2 --disable-tests '--enable-optimize=-march=pentium4 -mtune=generic -O2 -flifetime-dse=1 -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -Wclass-memaccess -msse2' --disable-mochitest --disable-installer --disable-updater --disable-debug --enable-debug-symbols --enable-system-cairo --enable-system-pixman --enable-os2-high-mem --disable-crashreporter --enable-calendar --with-intl-api --with-system-icu --with-system-nss --with-system-nspr --with-system-libvpx --disable-system-sqlite --enable-release --prefix=/usr --disable-telemetry --disable-devtools --disable-crashreporter --disable-gamepad --disable-updater --disable-webrtc --with-external-source-dir=Y:/work/cc45-git


Actually, here it is a SMS if using a new device. I had one SMS when I first used the app password, basically asking if it was me logging in.

confirm this is my case as well. Received a phone SMS only once on my phone number at the registration moment to confirm the user identity, after that I could simply login by SM mail everytime with the application password (needless to digit, it is stored) , nothing else.

So the whole action is for google to receive your current phone number (SMS). Where is the so called 'security improvement' if afterwards you log in via simple password then before?

...Are you still using 38ESR? If so, I'd suggest trying 45ESR.
Sorry for confusion, I'm running 45.8.0. I think this is the latest from you. Just tried a new profile (created under Win) but now Lightning 4.7.8 is disabled and I can't enable it. Maybe copied over from Win too. Have to search your latest lightning package....

You might also experiment with disabling "Provider for Google Calendar" and "Timezone Definitions for Mozilla"
Don't use them.

Searching, I don't really find anything about our old Lightning being slow.
More and more I think it has to do with the number of entries, even old ones, AND it seems the fetching of the gmx calendars is slower on OS/2 than on Win (same machine). As said, even with Win it tooks a while but it does not freeze the WPS there. So now I think what I see is the SIQ problem on OS/2 and the slower network-calender-refresh problem. Since using TB instead of SM it's usable at least, not perfect, not as good as with Win, but usable.

Edit: Found a file named 'lightning-4.0.8_Dave_....xpi' but that does not work with TB45

Edit2: Now got it to work with 3 external calendars. Lightning identifies itself as 4.7.9. Probably copied from Win. See pictures.

Actually, here it is a SMS...
I've read about you can add your devices to 'known secure ones' and then with these devices you wouldn't asked again (= loosing 2 factor authentication and what's the security benefit now?). Moreover this would need to give them one of my mobile numbers. Although SMS should work over conventional telephone network too, I'm pretty sure my provider don't support it.

...I first used the app password...
Don't get me wrong but I think this is one of the problems I wanted to stress - some people (especially web amateurs) think, everyone has to have an Android phone. Often iPhones are tolerated too. Most of the time only the newest generations. But the world is bigger and more diverse than their horizon ;-).

Let me ask different - is there a way to setup SM/TB for google without using a special Android/iOS program AND without giving them a mobile number? As said, it is not so much important for me as gmail censors emails since a long time and so their service is useless for serious email communication anyway. But for the sake of having trash email addresses for potentially insecure web services gmail was good enough.

As some of you may know I'm not very satisfied with startup speed of the calendar on our platform. It may depend on the number of (repeating) entries I have in my calendars, or the number of calendars (2-6), or ...

Problem is when starting the calendar it takes about a minute or more to populate. For this time part of the system hangs (seems so). If I activate Lightning in SM then SM hangs and the whole WPS including the mouse pointer. When using Thunderbird (and disable Lightning in SM) only TB hangs for that long time. WPS (and other programs) works after a few seconds.

Now I added another calendar to TB and see this message at the bottom of TB window 'Checking Calendar 3 of 4294967299'. Maybe there is some problem with signedness? If TB really wants to check 4294967299 calendars this may be another reason why it takes so long.

I've to say in this case the real problem seems to be that our TB port can't handle a new authentication for the new calendar. As this is what I would expect at that time. It's the 4. (not the 3.) calendar that I added and this one does not have authentication information yet. Calendar location is something like '' if this is of interest.

One side not - cause I discovered with TB38 on Win that TB38 is not able to handle two authentications to calendars at the same domain ( So I choice,, A general problem of TB38 not our port. Also the time delay at startup maybe a general TB38 problem that only is not so much annoying on other platforms than on ours.

Anyway, I'll try my best to keep my email and calendars working as good as possible on OS/2. And until now, most works still astonishing well. THANKS Dave (and bww and...). Maybe there are some hints for others in this thread.

As google now disable comfortable access to there mail and calendar I'm moving completely away from this company. I've used there services only for test purposes so no big problem. Anyway I read Arca Noaes hints about new authentication. But I don't like to activate 2-factor authentication cause this would need one of the following if I understand correctly -

- Android device or other device running a Google program on it (which is not possible on OS/2 nor KaiOS and not desirable anyway)
- a FIDO security key which needs to be bought and needs to generate a key anytime I want to update my calendar (unthinkable uncomfortable)
- SMS or phone call for every calendar/email login (beside overly uncomfortable I don't even think about giving this company my phone number voluntarily)

Seems this all is a new step from Google to force the world to use their software or leave their universe. I choice second.

Networking / Re: WIFI on Lenovo W520
« on: June 03, 2022, 07:43:10 am »
Your XWLAN version is?

For older Thinkpads and cards there was the suggestion to disable all power saving settings in the Win driver and leave the wlan adapter enabled when shutting down Win. I've one old system which needs these. But no clue if this still makes any difference for your rather new system/card. Anyway worth to try.

Applications / Re: Password manager
« on: May 31, 2022, 07:46:15 pm »
We have keepassx as rpm too.

But if you want to synchronize with Seamonkey, KaiOS, Android, iOS or... I'm out of ideas. Except doing it by hand/cvs. I've done Seamonkey --> keepassx a while ago. I think I've copied my OS/2 SM Profile to Win and used some passwordexporter addon. Maybe I needed Keepass (without X) on Win too to transfer it to a keepassx compatible database.

Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: May 03, 2022, 11:38:40 am »
....deserve a very focused HowTo once the origin of their actual weakness -I see not being the only one having troubles- will be determined...
Guess this has to be done by people how actually have problems and a solution. Maybe a wiki page? People like me can't contribute much as it simply worked.

Applications / Re: Test build of dooble with qt5
« on: May 03, 2022, 09:54:46 am »
Hope that at final phase of all testings, a guide will explain the complete set of software/configuration needed to make it work well.

Here it was that easy as I could imagine it could be. yum install dooble -> installed only this one package. After that it worked. Other programs still work too. No problem with AOO, Seamonkey, Thunderbird, ... all works well. Probably cause I kept my system up to date before. And I had installed simple browser before.

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