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Hardware / Re: Printer Question!
« on: June 12, 2015, 10:36:11 am »
Not really what you're asking for but I've a HP OfficeJet PRO X476. This is my first inkjet after circumvent this technology since it appears about 20 years ago. Reasons why I choose an inkjet for the first time are
- less cost per page than even lasers (regarding various tests in magazines)
- Postscript and PCL
- Scanner with ADF
- all in one device which can be used for scanning and copying without computer
- still hope HP delivers some level of quality and durability (my current Xerox unfortunately did not last very long)



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Maybe the wording 'and turn them freeware for all use' in -
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to create/build some "test-beta-AS IS- no support - under your own risk" drivers for "screen01, kbdbase, clock01, print01" and turn them freeware for all use
triggers alarm bells in a lot of heads beside mine.

The warning that this 'opens a can of worms' in this context must be an allowed reply without being call negativism and should not scare you IMHO.

Peace :-)

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Although stated above I want to say it in other words - Martin, if you build old code and if you distribute that old code, others will test it too. To some average user it may misleadingly seem your 'old code, newly compiled' version must be better then the 'old dated' (but actually newer code) version he already uses. If it wouldn't be better (fix some problems) there would not has been released a newly version the average user may think. Nowadays we are used to updated all kind of software on our machines and smartphones regularly. Nearly no one ever reads why and what they update. Most users only use the 'latest' version as taught by the whole IT industry since years.

Some average users for sure will use your newly released 'old code'. He may have problems afterwards or not. He may have other seemingly not related strange problems after months of using your 'old code'. He may even had forgotten that he had overwritten the 'old dated but latest code' with a 'new dated but old buggy code' (if he ever had realized what he has done). AND he may call for help fixing his problem. Either on forums or on bugtrackers.

Hope I explained what someone called opening a can of worms (or bugs). So be very careful when you distribute such buggy code. And it is buggy for sure. IBM wouldn't have fixed it afterwards if not.

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...my Samsung 245T ...
I've no problem with my 245B here.

Mind I usually set Manufacturer '(Standard monitor types)' and Model 'Unknown monitor' as I never understand why computers think the know better resolution settings and refresh rates than I do. The second monitor is a HP ZR24w which works flawless too. Together 3840x1200 pixel.

On another System I've a Samsung S24C650 which works too. All are set up with 1920x1200.

AFAIK EDID reading did not change since ages. Only new modes where added and some monitors do not sort them in the correct order defined by the standards. But as said above I do not care much about EDID.

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FineTuning options
SNAP offers a few options. But mainly to disable some acceleration if it makes problems like the hardware cursor and so on. I do not see how someone can 'speed video up' as SNAP usually switches on all accelerations it supports by default. If you mean overclocking than I fear you've to play Windoze. Such things which decreases stability for no visible reason on OS/2 should have no priority at all on our OS.

For me -
1 priority - support Intel HD-Graphic build into modern processors
2 priority - support all 3 digital outputs of Intel HD-Graphic to use 3 times 1920x1200

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Regarding Mulitmac - I regularly built Multimac for myself from the beginning as an open source project at netlabs. But since about 1 year ago or so it can't be build out of the box from the repository. You need an additional Mini-DDK which the developer didn't want to gave me although I asked in the most polite form I'm able to do in English. Reason why he did not sent it was 'there are major changes going on with the code and the current state is not good enough to share but it will be in some weeks or so' (recalled from memory). Since then I lost interest in compiling it by myself and devoted my spare time to other projects. At that time the official released versions worked okay for me so no need to digging in further.

New versions of Multimac where released since then. No clue if the Mini-DDK is now free to download or not. Mulitmac is not so important for me anymore as I bought additional PCIe NICs with Intel chips for some reasons. I lost interest in compiling Multimac by myself and searching for the flaws in the Realtek code I discovered with two of my machines. 

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As stated a few times it seems impossible to have a list of 'supported' hardware. But sometimes I think it would be even helpful to have a list which hardware 'uses' which developer by himself. No support guarantee but information what uses which developer. Similar lists existed in the past although with limited success. See hardware list at ecomstation.ru. OTOH not every OS/2 user knows that f.i. Intel does have open access to hardware documentation which Nvidia do prohibit. Or that very often new Intel devices are compatible with older types where f.i. with Realtek not even the same device ID is guaranteed to work. Lot of users do not know that f.i. Asrock is the low cost line of Asus and so you may find undocumented changes of chips more often than with the higher priced boards targeted for industrial applications. User may not know that f.i. MSI usually pays more attention to produce compatible motherboards with 'legacy' hardware and correct BIOS code than some other companies. Lot of users do not know that Nvidia graphic chips fails much more often after a few years than Intel or ATI chips beside there closed documentation which makes it impossible or at least much harder to get it running with a non mainstream OS.

I for myself have posted here and at other places which hardware I use and what does work or not. But a database of working devices would be better than searching forums. Unfortunately the databases we have are not maintained anymore (ecomstation.ru) AND users did not provide enough input for such databases in the past. So why should the few already overstressed and mostly spare time developers do it?

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Applications / Re: Favorite/Required non-opensource OS/2-eCs apps?
« on: May 19, 2015, 03:23:50 pm »
Visual Slickedit 4.0x for OS/2
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PMView

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Hardware / Re: USB Mouse/Keyboard
« on: May 12, 2015, 08:07:19 am »
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It was simply a real switch that kicked flipped the USB connection electronicly from one PC to the other.
But what it the difference with this KVM to simply plug and unplug an USB mouse or keyboard?

USB devices are intended for hot plugging and this works with OS/2 for USB mice sinces ages. Does it work for USB keyboards too? Or does it not work reliable for some mice and keyboards?

Btw. I'm aware of keyboard/trackball devices which violate USB specs and so do not work with some bioses and some OSes. But it should not make any difference if they are plugged in directly into the USB port or via a KVM switch.

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Internet / Re: SeaMonkey 2.21b3
« on: May 05, 2015, 08:06:50 am »
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...between the \ecs\dll and \usr\lib, but would still love to get any input on next steps.
One step would putting all %unixroot%\usr\* in libpath in front of the other directories.

Another on is delete all dlls in ecs\dll which are in \usr\lib too.

Final step, delete all duplicate dlls in all directories on all drives and only use the \usr\dll ones.

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Hardware / Re: Under $90 upgrade for OS/2 review !
« on: May 03, 2015, 11:40:37 am »
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So, is there any X series cards that support Dos/Win sessions ?
My X300 does. But seems to depend on different things I do not know as others have problems with DOS/WinOS2 even with the X300. There are numerous threads about and AFAIR some suggestions in the ecomstation bugtracker.

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Internet / Re: SeaMonkey 2.21b3
« on: April 29, 2015, 04:43:53 pm »
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...but the less external dependences the better.
Sounds good but OTOH this would mean less use of shared dlls which leads to more memory usage. And memory is getting more and more a scare resource on our OS. So sooner or later this will lead to more trouble than solving in the short term.

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It saves us having to try and find the odd DLL and put it where it won't cause trouble at a later date.
This should not be much of a problem. Only install what the readme says. Or is there some dll missing in the readme?

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It also means that what you build is much more in the OS/2 way which is 'a good thing'.
Avoid using shared dlls contradicts the 'OS/2 way' IMHO.

Dave, I clearly vote for one 'standard way'. At this times as defined by bww.

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Setup & Installation / Re: What's your WPS setup ?
« on: April 24, 2015, 08:42:44 am »
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I ask b/c the multi-core CPU/SMP setups and the old IRQ monitor (SEDEV=SHOWIDT.SYS) are a problem...never been able to get it working here.
Had it working here for years with my Dual-Core. Not tested on the Quad-Core though. AFAIR only IRQs up to 15 are displayed. So not much use anymore when ACPI reroutes some hardware to high IRQs.

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Programming / Re: Version control
« on: April 20, 2015, 09:37:30 am »
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what do you guys suggest as the most applicable version control application?
I would suggest git for all your development. No matter if you manage your repository on your own server or on some public sites. BUT currently git for OS/2 lacks a decent GUI. You can use older versions of smartgit (needs Java6) to check out (pull) and browse repositories but have to use CLI commands to check in (push).

Second best option IMHO is SVN. I use SmartSVN for managing both local and remote repositories. If you develop something interesting for other  OS/2 - eCS users you can ask Adrian to manage your SVN project at netlabs.org. Private repositories can be handled at your own server. You have to set up the svn server on one of your systems. IIRC I've written down the necessary steps at wiki.netlabs.org.

At this time I would not vote for CVS anymore. It's so ancient and misses current needs.

Unfortunately we do not have version control integrated like TortoiseSVN or TortoiseGit on Win. Although it seems to be not very complicated to extend WPS menus in a similar way no one have done it right now.

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General Discussion / Re: Haiku OS and its Niche.
« on: April 09, 2015, 04:40:36 pm »
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We don't need one "big bang" change, we can go giving little steps to replace PM, SOM, CPI, etc... file by file if it is necessary.
That is a dramatic wrong wording IMHO. It does not need 'little' steps but giant leaps to replace only one of these parts with open source alternatives that have nearly the quality level we are used to and which OS/2 - eCS users are expect before the even want to try out your replacement component.

You will not find the community which is willing to test and bug fix any OS/2 replacement component when it sucks like the first Linux versions or the examples you've stated above. None of the serious OS/2 developers will only waste a minute looking into messy code as Sergey describes above. It is a big difference between tinkering with some code snippets and coding medium sized quality level applications (read usable replacement parts).

Most probably you will not
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...need right now is someone with the interest of talking a look under the hood...
as this was done hundred of times before. The conclusion was always the same - it would need way to huge investment and man power to only replace one of them for our community. Even when we were 10 times as much and 10 times as rich as we are your dreams are so much out of reach you probably can't even imagine. Sorry I've to say that :(

Think about why only very few people even test the os4 kernel. This is an example of a piece of software which is not that bad at all. In fact it works remarkable well on a lot a machines. But beside the legal concerns which I don't want to discuss here it has a few limitations. This few limitations (documentation, trace support, incompatible with ACPI) prevents usage and testing by a wider audience. Why do you think a lot of people want to play with replacement components which for sure will have a lot more bugs and incompatibilities when you do not even find the testers for much more advanced projects? Why do you think a broader audience is willing and qualified to develop, document, make install packages and test a replacement component when we do not even have the man power to support running projects like AOO, Firefox, Seamonkey, Apache, all the ported QT apps..... ?

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Hardware / Re: Motherboard woes Asus H87-Pro
« on: March 29, 2015, 04:48:38 pm »
Update to the Asus H87-Pro I have -
the integrated Realtek NIC does not work well with the latest AN Mulitmac driver. Trying to transfer GByte big files via ftp does not even start here. A ping to the source system which runs in parallel shows delays up to 5s. No wonder the ftp transfers does not seem to do anything. UDP transfer rate is terrible bad too. No chance to get ICAT working with that driver/chip combination with this motherboard. Though the same driver with another mobo works quite well. Putting into a PCIe Intel GBit NIC driven by AN Multimac driver solves the ftp transfer problem. For getting decent UDP transfer rate I have to use another older PCI Intel NIC with native driver in parallel.

Just to inform if anyone is planning to use the same board too.

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