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OS/2, eCS & ArcaOS - Technical => Hardware => Topic started by: Eugene Tucker on December 16, 2022, 09:40:19 pm

Title: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Eugene Tucker on December 16, 2022, 09:40:19 pm
Just trying out a B450 with a AMD 2700 and no go. It wont even boot the intstal stick. So any suggestion of hardware to get and any suggestions that could get this puppy working, but I have my doubts on that. Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Martin Iturbide on December 16, 2022, 11:38:11 pm
Hi Eugene.

Which motherboard are your trying with the AMD 2700?  Because Ihave reports of the "AMD Ryzen 7 2700" working ArcaOS.
- Gigabyte B450 Gaming X (https://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Gigabyte_B450_Gaming_X)
- ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 (https://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/ASRock_B450M-HDV_R4.0)

For what I see some changes on the BIOS were required:
- UEFI CSM = Enabled
- Secure Boot = Disabled.

Regards
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Eugene Tucker on December 17, 2022, 12:21:10 am
Thanks Martin it is a ROG STRIX X470-F GAMING by ASUS. And I did engage CSM and disabled the UEFI.Thank you for the response.I will look for those boards if I can't get it working.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: ivan on December 17, 2022, 07:02:20 am
I have a MSI B550-A PRO with a Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G working with no problems,

Just a thought, many of these later boards run USB2 through a USB3 pass through chip so you may need to change your stick to use USB3 rather than the default USB2.

Edit to add.  I just remembered that I have an ASRock B450M Pro4 with a Ryzen processor as a backup test unit.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Dave Yeo on December 17, 2022, 07:26:06 am
Most all CPU's should work fine with ArcaOS, the exception being the most recent Intel CPU's that use big and little cores. They work but very slow.
Problems will be in the BIOS and some can be worked around. Mostly memory, mainly video, it needs to use as little as possible. Of course hyper-threading (and likely the AMD equivalent) needs to be disabled, though that shouldn't affect install as only one core is enabled then.
Some really new motherboards also put the video frame buffer above 4GB's. Won't work with a 32 bit OS.
So basically look in the BIOS to shrink memory, especially video memory. And hope the ACPI tables aren't broken badly. Sometimes opening an issue can get results such as ACPI workarounds.
And of course not booting the stick points to USB problems, look in the BIOS for any options to play with.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Eugene Tucker on December 17, 2022, 03:17:39 pm
Good pieces of advice but the bios is so confusing. I am going to have to go through trial and error. Or I could just order the ASRock mainboard and swap it out.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Sigurd Fastenrath on January 02, 2023, 01:34:34 pm
Most all CPU's should work fine with ArcaOS, the exception being the most recent Intel CPU's that use big and little cores. They work but very slow.
Problems will be in the BIOS and some can be worked around. Mostly memory, mainly video, it needs to use as little as possible.

That is interesting and I would like to add my experience with OS/2 and ArcaOs inside Virtualbox on a Thinkpad X1 Carbon 10th Generation with an Intel core i7 12th Generation, that is almost the same as Dave writes: The System is very slow, installations of OS/2 Warp usually crash while the second phase of installation - the graphical one - starts.
An ArcaOS 5-.07 Installation went through but is slow, due to problems with the graphic rendering I would guess.

So even in Virtual machines the support for OS/2 - ArcaOS is getting worse, unfortunately.
It may need an updated gradd or panorama or SNAP, I guess.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: ivan on January 02, 2023, 05:16:39 pm
Hi Eugene,

One thing I forgot to mention.  I have never tried using USB to install any OS/2 - ArcaOS, I always use a DVD drive.  It may take a little more work but a SATA DVD drive always works even if you have to get long cables and pass them through port at the back of the case.  I now have one from a defunct  laptop that I put in a case equipped with long SATA and power cables.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Roderick Klein on January 02, 2023, 06:19:54 pm
Most all CPU's should work fine with ArcaOS, the exception being the most recent Intel CPU's that use big and little cores. They work but very slow.
Problems will be in the BIOS and some can be worked around. Mostly memory, mainly video, it needs to use as little as possible. Of course hyper-threading (and likely the AMD equivalent) needs to be disabled, though that shouldn't affect install as only one core is enabled then.
Some really new motherboards also put the video frame buffer above 4GB's. Won't work with a 32 bit OS.
So basically look in the BIOS to shrink memory, especially video memory. And hope the ACPI tables aren't broken badly. Sometimes opening an issue can get results such as ACPI workarounds.
And of course not booting the stick points to USB problems, look in the BIOS for any options to play with.

Computers where devices such have a 64 MMIO address, these regions can remapped by the upcoming ArcaOS 5.1.0. Note only the UEFI loader does this. But this is also only needed when a CSM is not present. As when booted in CSM mode this type of remapping is not needed.

Roderick
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Roderick Klein on January 02, 2023, 06:23:05 pm
Most all CPU's should work fine with ArcaOS, the exception being the most recent Intel CPU's that use big and little cores. They work but very slow.
Problems will be in the BIOS and some can be worked around. Mostly memory, mainly video, it needs to use as little as possible.

That is interesting and I would like to add my experience with OS/2 and ArcaOs inside Virtualbox on a Thinkpad X1 Carbon 10th Generation with an Intel core i7 12th Generation, that is almost the same as Dave writes: The System is very slow, installations of OS/2 Warp usually crash while the second phase of installation - the graphical one - starts.
An ArcaOS 5-.07 Installation went through but is slow, due to problems with the graphic rendering I would guess.

So even in Virtual machines the support for OS/2 - ArcaOS is getting worse, unfortunately.
It may need an updated gradd or panorama or SNAP, I guess.

What version of Virtualbox is are you using Sigurd ? Currently there are issue's with Virtualbox 7. Note Virtualbox broke some things and from what I understand this is being looked into. Switching on SMP support with Virtualbox 7 makes ArcaOS extremely. This happens on Windows and Linux host systems. Workaround if go back to Virtualbox 6 for now or run Virtualbox 7 with only one CPU core.

I do not know what these issue's have on other versions of OS/2.

Roderick
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Roderick Klein on January 02, 2023, 06:29:14 pm
Most all CPU's should work fine with ArcaOS, the exception being the most recent Intel CPU's that use big and little cores. They work but very slow.
Problems will be in the BIOS and some can be worked around. Mostly memory, mainly video, it needs to use as little as possible.

That is interesting and I would like to add my experience with OS/2 and ArcaOs inside Virtualbox on a Thinkpad X1 Carbon 10th Generation with an Intel core i7 12th Generation, that is almost the same as Dave writes: The System is very slow, installations of OS/2 Warp usually crash while the second phase of installation - the graphical one - starts.
An ArcaOS 5-.07 Installation went through but is slow, due to problems with the graphic rendering I would guess.

So even in Virtual machines the support for OS/2 - ArcaOS is getting worse, unfortunately.
It may need an updated gradd or panorama or SNAP, I guess.

BTW when loading GRADD drivers on Warp 3 or Warp 4 you, need to have a to apply a certain level of base OS fixpak for GRADD to work.

Roderick
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Sigurd Fastenrath on January 02, 2023, 07:46:57 pm
Hi Roderick,

the picture may be a bit misleading, even if it looks like Warp 3 it is ArcaOS 5.07.
If I remember correctly GRADD needs Warp 4 FP 5 and Warp 3 FP35.
The Virtualbox Version is the current Version 7.0x, Windows 11 Pro 64bit.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Roderick Klein on January 02, 2023, 08:50:44 pm
Curent Virtualbox 7 is kaput. THe SMP support was broken in Virtualbox switch 7. Switch back to 1 CPU if you are running more then one CPU core.
I seem to recall a ticket was created @virtualbox to look into this.

Roderick
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Sigurd Fastenrath on January 02, 2023, 08:57:07 pm
The Installation is with one core only.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Paul Smedley on January 02, 2023, 09:29:54 pm
Curent Virtualbox 7 is kaput. THe SMP support was broken in Virtualbox switch 7. Switch back to 1 CPU if you are running more then one CPU core.
I seem to recall a ticket was created @virtualbox to look into this.

This is not entirely true. I spun up an AOS 5.07 VM a day or two ago in Vbox 7 under linux, with 4 cores and SMP kernel, and it's running fine....

Not saying there aren't some cases of people having issues, but to say SMP support is broken is false.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Eugene Tucker on January 03, 2023, 04:14:13 am
First I want to thank all you who replied! A note to Ivan I used the USB stick to  install the NVME for the hard drive. As the have not put it in the ISO. I know I could edit that but to edit the USB stick is much faster and easier. I got it going by the way.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Roderick Klein on January 03, 2023, 07:51:43 am
Curent Virtualbox 7 is kaput. THe SMP support was broken in Virtualbox switch 7. Switch back to 1 CPU if you are running more then one CPU core.
I seem to recall a ticket was created @virtualbox to look into this.

This is not entirely true. I spun up an AOS 5.07 VM a day or two ago in Vbox 7 under linux, with 4 cores and SMP kernel, and it's running fine....

Not saying there aren't some cases of people having issues, but to say SMP support is broken is false.

Interesting you running 7.04 of Virtyalbix ? Enabling two cores testlog generic command takes 30 seconds in my windows 11 system. Run 1 core 3 seconds. Rich Dunkle with windows as the host is reported omethjng simuliar.

Roderick
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Paul Smedley on January 03, 2023, 08:58:47 am
Vbox 7.04 under Ubuntu 22.10 - testlog generic takes about 3-4 seconds to run. AOS 5.0.7 running with 4x core.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: ivan on January 03, 2023, 01:36:54 pm
And the difference between Paul's and Roderick's result is down to Paul using a real OS and Roderick using a pretend OS which gathers personnel information for those that would try and rule the world.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Lars on January 03, 2023, 01:58:03 pm
I seem to remember that starting with Virtual box 7 under a Windows host, you need to explicitly disable the Windows built-in hypervisor (obviously the Vidtualbox hypervisor implementation and the Windows one get in each other's way). As always, you'll need to find out how to do that and on my system it did not work (the Virtualbox Log still complained that the Windows hypervisor was still active).
Working with more than one core in the guest has never worked for me but I am still using eCS. I don't know if ArcaOS would make a difference. The problem is that multiple cores appear to work ok but after a while, the system(guest) gets confused and hangs eventually. That always happened when I was doing a compile with the old MS 16-bit compiler (run from multiple makefiles).
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Roderick Klein on January 03, 2023, 02:50:00 pm
And the difference between Paul's and Roderick's result is down to Paul using a real OS and Roderick using a pretend OS which gathers personnel information for those that would try and rule the world.

Thanks for the constructive dialog....

Roderick
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Roderick Klein on January 03, 2023, 02:56:19 pm
I seem to remember that starting with Virtual box 7 under a Windows host, you need to explicitly disable the Windows built-in hypervisor (obviously the Vidtualbox hypervisor implementation and the Windows one get in each other's way). As always, you'll need to find out how to do that and on my system it did not work (the Virtualbox Log still complained that the Windows hypervisor was still active).
Working with more than one core in the guest has never worked for me but I am still using eCS. I don't know if ArcaOS would make a difference. The problem is that multiple cores appear to work ok but after a while, the system(guest) gets confused and hangs eventually. That always happened when I was doing a compile with the old MS 16-bit compiler (run from multiple makefiles).

I think you can simply switch hyper-v support in the Windows control panel. I think if both hypervisors are active you can run end up with a bsod.

The ms16 bit compiler might also simply not be SMP safe. Use msrkexe to mark as SMP unsafe.

Roderick
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Lars on January 03, 2023, 04:28:35 pm
According to the Windows 11 control panel, I do not even seem to have hyper-v installed ("Windows Hypervisor Platform" is not marked as being installed, also "VM Platform" is not installed, whatever that means). Then I searched in the internet and found a commandline way of disabling it. Still Virtualbox 7 complained in its guest logs that the Windows Hypervisor was still active.

I went back to Virtualbox 6.1.x. Unfortunately, Virtualbox is not a product that necessarily gets better with each version. For me, it`s always trial and error.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: TNG999 on February 03, 2023, 11:58:47 pm
Hi..  I have some brand new HP Z2 G9 workstations that I can try ARCA OS on... but I need UEFI support first (I know, I know, it's coming!).  Can't switch to BIOS mode on these new ones it appears.

Has Intel Core i7-12700 in it. 12th gen.

-m
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: ivan on February 04, 2023, 01:28:11 am
Sorry I can't say anything about Intel processors, haven't used them since AMD came out with the 486.

All my computers have various iterations of the AMD Ryzen processor now which I assemble/build myself.  The top of the range for me is an MSI B550-A PRO board with a Ryzen 3 PRO 4350G.  I also have a couple of ASRock B450 PRO 4 with Ryzen 3 3200G.  All of them drive 1920 x 1200 HDMI monitors.  At the moment I have set the UEFI bios to compatibility mode and everything works well.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Eugene Tucker on February 04, 2023, 01:47:50 pm
Ivan I did get the ASRock 450 board and found that it works like a champ the UEFI is so simple. The old Asus board I never could get to work. You are right the manufacturers do use different implementations even if the same UEFI maker.
Title: Re: Any one know what current crop of Intel or AMD processors work in ARCA OS?
Post by: Dariusz Piatkowski on February 08, 2023, 02:45:59 am
Hi ivan,

...All my computers have various iterations of the AMD Ryzen processor now which I assemble/build myself.  The top of the range for me is an MSI B550-A PRO board with a Ryzen 3 PRO 4350G.  I also have a couple of ASRock B450 PRO 4 with Ryzen 3 3200G.  All of them drive 1920 x 1200 HDMI monitors.  At the moment I have set the UEFI bios to compatibility mode and everything works well.

Any chance you could run SysBench and post the results?

I've been looking to upgrade the hardware here, and truth be told the only thing that is holding me back is the pleasure of using the two 1920x1200 panels...not going back to a single monitor, not at this time.

Having said that though, with more CPU power I suspect that even a generic video driver (non accelerated SNAP, or simply Panorama) can produce pretty good results. So maybe I can see myself replacing the two monitors with a nice large (curved) display???

Thanks!