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Article Discussions / Re: eComStation 2.2 Beta First Impressions
« on: April 20, 2013, 11:38:37 pm »
Andreas, i seem to remember Roderick, or one of those involved with, eCS saying that they were not able to change anything with the base OS/2 because of the licence they have with IBM so they are stuck with the old installer.

I know you are pushing the RPM/YUM installer, I also know that there has been some debate about that and I am yet to be convinced that we, as end users, actually need it.  So far zip and warpin are more that adequate to do the job if installing applications on OS/2.  Using either of those I only need one file on a usb stick to install the same application on all the workstations I supervise and maintain so the question is, why reinvent the wheel?

I do agree with you that Mensys would have a potential market if they prepared a CD of all the updated addons and made that available separately.

Multimedia / Re: A study in Elephant Blue - The Video
« on: April 15, 2013, 12:19:18 pm »
Excellent, thank you.

Article Discussions / Re: eComStation 2.2 Beta First Impressions
« on: April 03, 2013, 04:13:48 pm »
Just a couple of questions based on what I see here.

First, is the emphasis now for installing on notebooks?

Second, why is Intel video given a wide screen boost and not Nvidia?   Out of the several hundred machines we maintain for clients we have ONE with an Intel video - and it runs headless -  while the remainder are about 60% ATI and 40% Nvidia video based.  For those clients that want wide screen 1920x1200 (16/10) monitors we are scouring the second-hand sites and getting as many ATI PCIe cards as we can that are listed in the Snap readme.

As a supplementary question, did anyone ask what hardware support was actually required or is the support based on the hardware that a limited number of people have for testing?  If the later is the case, did anyone consider asking for volunteers to do testing - even if it was under an NDA - and if not why not?

I would love to be able to go to our clients and say with confidence that there is now available a version of OS/2 that will install on ANY computer they would like to purchase.

Article Discussions / Re: eComStation 2.2 Beta First Impressions
« on: March 30, 2013, 09:40:24 pm »
Naturally, if you are using ibm506.add, you need ibmatapi.flt to access your dvd, instead if you need danis506.add you need daniatap.flt (edit config.sys to verify).
In days gone by I have used the IBM506 add with the Daniatapi.flt without any problems, has something changed?

It might work IF you can get the drivers for the various intel subsystems, video, chipset, lan, wireless lan and so on.

But as one commentator says, why spend that much when you can get a laptop with keyboard and screen for about half the price.

As for the isostick thing, there was something similar a few years ago that only really worked with windows and it appears that this is not much different.  Perhaps you couldn't use it for anything OS/2 related.

Networking / Re: Wireless
« on: March 18, 2013, 12:05:59 am »
If they follow the usual intel path then the exe file will be an unpacker which prepares the files to be installed.  If that is the case then you might be able to use universal extractor to get at those files.

Please remember this product is a demo CD - it is not a 'live' CD in the usual sense.  Certain features are disabled to ensure that people cannot use the CD as a substitute OS.  In some cases, IBM specifically required that we disable these features for the free demo. 

Access to OS/2 native fs (HPFS and JFS) drives is intentionally disabled.  Printing is also disabled, as is SMB (Peer and Samba) support.
So it is not really a demo that anyone can use to show how it will work because it doesn't.

I was considering using it to show some of my clients how they could upgrade but it can't even be used for that.

Also it would have been nice if those limitations were spelled out at the beginning - preferably on the download site but at least in readme on the CD.

I have to admit it is a good beta test to see if it works with some hardware but even to that end it lacks the reporting facility to make that effective.

Sorry to sound so negative but it was a real disappointment after all we have been told to expect.

Hardware / Re: Graphics card
« on: March 12, 2013, 02:52:21 pm »
I have several ATI Radeon X700 cards driving 28" monitors at 1920 x 1200 without any problems using the SDD version 3.1.8 build 505.

From what I have seen most of the PCIe ATI cards listed in the snap readme file will give that resolution and will also work with PCIe based motherboards.

Unless you have a requirement of something like HDMI output there is no need to discard the older cards.

Utilities / Re: Redirect LPT1 port
« on: March 08, 2013, 05:27:19 pm »
That sounds very similar to a setup one of my clients has.  In fact I upgraded them about a year ago with all new computers - the only requirement was that each computer had a serial port to drive the machinery.

In your case are you trying to run everything using VMs in which case I would advise against it especially if the VM is a guest on windows.

Depending on your exact setup it might be better if you looked at network printers which can be driven from OS/2 without too many problems.

Other than that, if you want to take this to a private discussion, not put company business out for all to see, then feel free to e-mail me at ivanjt at free dot fr

I tried it on a couple more machines.  On one, Asus M2N68-VM it refuses to boot at all yet when that machine is booted to WSeB I can see all the files on the CD.

My Asus M4A78LT-M boots to a desktop, the Intel Pro/1000 nic is seen and used and I can get to the internet BUT there is no way that I can do anything with the drives on the machine - every time I try to open a drive it gives a windows like message that the drive isn't formatted (they are HPFS and JFS).  As a demonstration that is useless.

I assume the failures are down to this being a beta version and will be sorted out in time for delivery of the finished product.

I do have to sat it is nice being able to see how eCS is setup to install having not seen this before as all my installs are either WSeB or Warp 4.

So far I have not had much success with it.

I burnt a CD and tried it on 5 computers here ranging from an Intel Pentium 4 powered HP to an AMD AM3 x4 processor om an ASUS M4A78LT-M board.

On 4 of the 5 it hung at some point in the boot process.  On the one that did manage to produce a desktop none of the drives were available, nor was the network or USB.

I suppose the best I can say is that it is a beta version that, in theory, should get better.

Tomorrow I will try it on some friends computers and see if it works any better.  Maybe I should also say that all the computers I tried it on are running WSeB without any problems at all.   

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: February 02, 2013, 11:34:54 am »
Maybe they, like the RPM/YUM install, could be emphasised in some way rather than being buried in with a lot of other options that most people don't look at.  An install page something like the networking page maybe?

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: February 01, 2013, 11:07:56 pm »
Thanks again Alex.

Must it be on the boot partition or can it be on another and if on another will it allow multiple boot partitions?  That is the question that must be answered!

It has been answered, repeatedly.  I don't see what the confusion is.  It can go on any partition and is entirely self-contained.

At the moment there appears to be a move towards emulating windows with everything being placed in the boot partition.  As far as I can see this is a retrograde step and should be resisted. 

Why do you seem to have this impression?  Who has ever said that it has to be on the boot drive?  It does not.

To answer the first part.  I have seen conflicting statements about where it could go and nothing definitive about it working with different boot partitions. 

Since you have a hand in the installer for eCS then I can now take it that it will work from a common partition for more than one boot drive on the same machine.

The second part is an impression I have received, maybe erroneously, from comments on various news groups and to a lesser extent here, but again I rely on your knowledge of the inner workings to show that is a wrong impression.  I do have one question though, why does an eCS install default to using %bootdrive%/programs and %bootdrive%/home?

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: January 31, 2013, 01:40:36 pm »
Likewise Doug, all my applications are on one partition and where possible the data produced is on yet another.  The boot partition has OS/2 and that is it.

So far with RPM/YUM there has been no definitive answer to how it is designed to work.  So far the answer is 'maybe' it will go on a non boot partition or 'maybe' it has to be on the boot partition.

Must it be on the boot partition or can it be on another and if on another will it allow multiple boot partitions?  That is the question that must be answered!

At the moment there appears to be a move towards emulating windows with everything being placed in the boot partition.  As far as I can see this is a retrograde step and should be resisted. 

If it ends up that it will put everything on the boot partition then we need a simple RPM unpacker that will let us get at what is in the package and put it where we want it.  In other words we will be back to the equivalent of using zip files.

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: January 30, 2013, 10:18:24 pm »
I already have rpm/yum on an alternate drive. When the new eCS comes out and I would install it on a second boot partition with rpm/yum in the same place as it is now I expect there might be problems because files would get overwritten and the database will get messed up. So I intend -not- to install rpm/yum but simply copy and paste the appropriate lines from the old config.sys to the new one.
And that appears to be the big problem - multiple OS/2 eCS boot partitions on the same machine using common applications installed on a partition that can be used by all boot versions.

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