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Title: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Martin Iturbide on May 17, 2020, 07:22:21 pm
Hi

Do you guys know where is the WarpIn 1.0.23  Installer?
I can not find it to download it.

Regards
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Sandra Asja Eickel on May 17, 2020, 09:22:06 pm
In ArcaOS 5.0.5.

Greetings,
Sandra-Asja
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Martin Iturbide on May 17, 2020, 10:07:44 pm
Hi

I want to see if there is the stand alone installer available.
ArcaOS 5.0.2 does not has it, but ArcaOS 5.0.4 has it, so it was released to the public.

Regards
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Doug Bissett on May 17, 2020, 10:38:19 pm
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ArcaOS 5.0.2 does not has it, but ArcaOS 5.0.4 has it, so it was released to the public.

No, it wasn't. WarpIn 1.0.22 is the newest that was released to the public: https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/util/archiver/warpin-1-0-22.zip (https://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/util/archiver/warpin-1-0-22.zip). WarpIn 1.0.23 is a special build, used only to support updating WarpIn packages when using the update feature of the ArcaOS installer. It has not, yet, been released to the general public. There is nothing new in it for the general user anyway (which is why it hasn't been released), and most of the new stuff is undocumented.

Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on May 17, 2020, 11:27:36 pm
From memory: WarpIN was updated with a new switch for wic.exe by the original developer Paul. That new feature is for uninstalling a WarpIN package with ANPM. Also both previously added switches for wic.exe were for ANPM, added by Paul per request by AN - and roughly documented.

I hope, That's right. It's hard to verify that, because since the new Trac version on netlabs.org, the history from the second page on for a project is always blank. If you try to switch back to the first page, its contents is gone, too and it's hard to get that back. Don't try to reproduce that, unless you have a netlabs.org account or plan to get one.

If you have one, you need to keep one of them fresh and at least the first page working. Just use one of them to try it out, not both and use an unimportant project. Logging on and off gave me the contents of the first pages back. Better try it out when you're not logged in. Then a login suffices to get it back.

It's most likely a problem on this server only.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Lewis Rosenthal on May 18, 2020, 04:10:40 pm
Indeed, 1.0.23 is an "in-test" build which we are currently using in ArcaOS. The new wic functionality specifically deals with creating and parsing WPI repository files. Paul refreshed the 1.0.23 build for us last year, and the newer 1.0.23 should be the public release when he gets around to releasing it.

So, while WarpIN is surely GPL and both source and binaries freely downloadable and usable by all, I would still caution against posting the 1.0.23 build anywhere (for those who have access to it). Paul may want to update documentation or add some more fixes to the final package (I have no idea; we haven't really discussed it).

HTH

Oh, and for the curious:

Make Repository (-m): wic -m <mask> [-H<host path>]
    Writes all package versions for all archives in <mask>.
New Updates (-n): wic -n <filename>
    Writes archive names for out of date packages listed in <filename>.

We do some further massaging of the repository file after running wic -m to add MD5 sums and sizes for the packages in the list. The additional fields were confusing the parser when run from ANPM, where we use the -n option to find updated packages. This was the fix in the refresh from last fall.

Other than that, 1.0.23 should perform just like 1.0.22. When ANPM 1.1.0 is released, the WIS in it will specify 1.0.23 as the minimum WarpIN version, so we'll want to get to a public release of 1.0.23 (or later) before then.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: David Graser on May 18, 2020, 07:40:02 pm
In ArcaOS 5.0.5.

Greetings,
Sandra-Asja

Is ArcaOS 5.05 in testing?  The highest version I have is version 5.0.4.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Lewis Rosenthal on May 18, 2020, 08:13:52 pm
Hi, David...

Quoting from:

https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos-support-maintenance-subscription-renewal-window-is-closing/

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For a limited time, we are allowing all who have allowed their ArcaOS Support & Maintenance subscriptions to expire — no matter how long expired — to reinstate them at current prices…but this window is closing rapidly. Once ArcaOS 5.0.5 is released (and that release is imminent), current ArcaOS licensees who have let their subscriptions lapse for six months or more will have to pay more to have their subscriptions reinstated for another full year.

You should have received that via email.

My Warpstock Europe presentation yesterday also mentioned that we anticipate a release before the end of the month.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: ivan on May 18, 2020, 10:36:19 pm
Hi Lewis,

Does that email apply to those of us that renewed subscription at the end of 2019 since I thought the sub was for 12 months?
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: David Graser on May 18, 2020, 10:47:27 pm
Hi, David...

Quoting from:

https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos-support-maintenance-subscription-renewal-window-is-closing/

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For a limited time, we are allowing all who have allowed their ArcaOS Support & Maintenance subscriptions to expire — no matter how long expired — to reinstate them at current prices…but this window is closing rapidly. Once ArcaOS 5.0.5 is released (and that release is imminent), current ArcaOS licensees who have let their subscriptions lapse for six months or more will have to pay more to have their subscriptions reinstated for another full year.

You should have received that via email.

My Warpstock Europe presentation yesterday also mentioned that we anticipate a release before the end of the month.

Hi Lewis.

I paid and should have had my maintenance subscription updated.  However, days later when I asked for iso image, I was sent the link to the 5.04 version.

David
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Lewis Rosenthal on May 18, 2020, 11:01:38 pm
Ivan: If your subscription is in force, then you have no rush. The point was for the folks who let their subscriptions lapse (think: early adopters, who purchased ArcaOS 5.0 in May of 2017 with six months included subscription and then never renewed). It's simply not fair to everyone who does renew on time to have people go three years and then re-up for another year at a fraction of the cost of a new license. Everyone else is funding development in the meantime. (And frankly, the vast majority of ArcaOS licensees do renew early or on time, probably because we continue to crank out new stuff and we work tirelessly to address trouble tickets. </shameless plug>)

David: That link is correct. There is no 5.0.5 available today. We plan on a release sometime this month, but that hasn't happened, yet. So, in the meantime, 5.0.4 is the current shipping release, and from your original order page, you may download a decent portion of the updates which have been released to date, but more stuff is coming in 5.0.5. I've been busy in the workshop today, hammering out the last few bumps (I hope; at least everyone else on the team has been waiting on me, today).  ;)

Cheers

Cheers
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: David Graser on May 18, 2020, 11:17:50 pm
Thanks for the reply Lewis.  My gratitude to you and your team for all the improvements you have been making to the ArcaOS.  Every version appears to be more stable than the previous one.   5.04 is the stablest I have seen so far out of any OS/2, eComstation, and ArcaOS version.  Looking forward to version 5.05.  I have a partition waiting for it.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Lewis Rosenthal on May 18, 2020, 11:52:38 pm
 :)

Thanks to you, too, David. We have a couple more of your outstanding icons in 5.0.5 (for the MozTurbo objects, at least, and probably a few more in other nooks and crannies). Your work is very much appreciated.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: David Kiley on December 20, 2020, 07:25:47 am
The point was for the folks who let their subscriptions lapse (think: early adopters, who purchased ArcaOS 5.0 in May of 2017 with six months included subscription and then never renewed). It's simply not fair to everyone who does renew on time to have people go three years and then re-up for another year at a fraction of the cost of a new license. Everyone else is funding development in the meantime. (And frankly, the vast majority of ArcaOS licensees do renew early or on time, probably because we continue to crank out new stuff and we work tirelessly to address trouble tickets. </shameless plug>)
Sorry to resurrect an old thread.
But I kind of don't like the sentiment of the above.
Don't get me wrong I appreciate everything you have done with ArcaOS Lewis and will keep updating my subscription to support the development.
But I don't think someone that buys arcaos 5.0 and stays with it is some kind of criminal. I mean they supported the OS by buying in the first place.
And, some people are happy to stay with older versions - such as if you are mainly running a legacy app and it can keep functioning fine and they are not needing to be as cutting edge.

Anyways, my 2 cents.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Doug Bissett on December 20, 2020, 09:54:06 pm
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But I kind of don't like the sentiment of the above.

To be quite frank, I don't like the sentiment that "others can pay for development, and I will jump in when I feel like it".

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And, some people are happy to stay with older versions - such as if you are mainly running a legacy app and it can keep functioning fine and they are not needing to be as cutting edge.

If it works for you, use it. You had the free, timed, subscription with the initial license, and now you leave others to pay for the next stuff that you will, eventually, need. If you don't continue to support the project, why should they let you back in without a penalty? That isn't fair to those of us who do contribute.

It is all in your point of view.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: David Graser on December 20, 2020, 10:22:03 pm
I think the problem is that we are such a small community. That is why it is asked that those that can afford to help do more.  On a platform like Windows, this is irrelevant.

Right now, I can afford to donate more, and I do.  I give contributions to all the developers at times. Right now, I think a new browser is so important that the big part of my donations go to it.  This is a good community and there will be disagreements.  Although we may have disagreements, lets all work together to make this a better platform.  I cannot thank those developers enough that continue to donate their time for no compensation to help improve things.  I thank those developers that do get compensated for their time also.  Their efforts is greatly appreciated.

An idea. It is said that keeping the mind working keeps one sharp in old age.  Find retired programmers and tell them that if they want to keep their minds sharp and want a challenge, try programming for ArcaOS.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: Neil Waldhauer on December 21, 2020, 01:08:24 am
I also disagree with the idea of punishing users who don't subscribe. I realize that there are people who think so, and I think they should keep that thought to themselves. Making the OS/2 community smaller isn't going to help. It's also crappy marketing.

But Arca Noae policy does not have to be described in that way. Better to say you can on one hand subscribe all the time or on the other hand, you can buy ArcaOS and then resubscribe when you need updates. Arca Noae has priced this so they don't lose money, and now each user can choose the policy that is best for their circumstances.

If you refresh your machines once every four years, the re subscription fee is less than the cumulative subscription fees. Thus, this policy actually rewards non-subscribers.
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: David McKenna on December 21, 2020, 11:59:42 pm
 David,

 How can we know this is you posting, and not your dog?

Regards,
Title: Re: WarpIn 1.0.23 - Where is it?
Post by: David Kiley on December 22, 2020, 08:14:49 am
David,

 How can we know this is you posting, and not your dog?

Regards,

Good point. Wag.a