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Events / WarpStock Question for Speakers
« on: October 14, 2014, 07:42:33 pm »
Hi.

The WarpStock countdown started for me. I'm finishing my presentation and also looking forward to be there.

But I want to get your feedback if you have any question for the speakers. I will try my best to ask as much as a can to everyone.

Do you have any question for the following speakers?:
- John Edwards
- Lewis Rosenthal
- Martin Iturbide ....I guess you can answer more in this forum..
- Menso de Jong
- Jan van Wijk
- Lars Erdmann
- Gregg Young
- Robert Kuropkat
- Paul Smedley  ...well, he also hangs out here a lot.
- Neil Waldhauer .... he also hangs out over here.
- Andy Willis
- David Azarewicz

Let me know what do you think. I will be consolidating the questions to take them with me.

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Applications / About eComStation Pricing
« on: October 10, 2014, 12:12:55 am »
Hi

I wrote this as a response to other thread, but I didn't want to hi-jack that thread. So I'm creating a new one just for the fun of the open discussion. 

I had checked a couple of sites in the past that discussed the price of eComStation. Some OS enthusiast say they want to give it a try to eComStation. But when the see the $149 for Home and Student edition price they say that it is too much for just a "wild interest". $149 it is too much for an OS that gives you a 30% chance (am I being kind?) of not running on your computer and that may be incompatible with your hardware. So, for the OS enthusiast, there is a money breaking point of how much they want to spend/risk just to try out the experience of eComStation.

If we compare eCS 2.1 $149 price against Windows, it may sound competitive:

Check out Windows prices (from some sources on the internet)
- $69.99 for DVD upgrades from Windows XP, Vista, or 7 to Windows 8 Pro
- $69.99 for a downloadable upgrade key
- $99.99 for standalone OEM version of Windows 8 (32-bit and 64-bit)
- $139.99 for standalone OEM version of Windows 8 Pro

But that was OEM, let's check out Retail:
- Standard edition - $119.99
- Pro version -  $199.99.

eCS 2.1 $149 even looks cheaper than Windows (or Windows may be overpriced), since eComStation costs more to be maintained, since it have less sales than Windows. eCS Home/Student gives you the right to be installed on 5 PCs and there is no crippled version of it, since it will be compared to the Pro version of Windows.  I can put a lot more blah, blah, but the fact is that all of this arguments are non valid arguments, since the reality is that we don't have "new" people buying eCS for individual use, not even the OS enthusiast. (I can say this, because I don't see a grow in the community)

The facts are that:
- eCS does not have updated drivers and you may not have sound or network on your computer.
- Windows keeps selling on every new machine (at least the good thing is that the PC market is coming down with it)
- Linux is good enough for an OS and it is free.
- Other experimental OS (ReactOS, HaikuOS) are available for free.

I think that eComStation needs a more aggressive pricing for people that are new to the platform and that want it for individual use. Maybe limiting it more to an specific individual non-commercial use, but giving it cheaper.  Maybe giving a $30 non-commercial individual license, without any subscription or drivers updates, will be a good breaking point for people that wants to give it a try. who knows?

Of course that there is the limitation that IBM wants his OEM fee for each license, but we don't know that agreement. I don't know if IBM is asking $1 dollar of each license or $148 :)   On the end, what is happening is that we do not have any users grow, and they will suck the money out of the legacy until the last one turn off the light.

So, I think that a money sacrifice needs to done on the license cost from Mensys/XEU. The other alternative is to continue with the same model until the last one of the corporate customer migrates to other platform and the last OS/2 user dies (For the moment no one has returned from the death to complain that eCS has no drivers - or is it that the nonliving does not use this forum? :)

Money is a resource that is required and needed, but it is useless if all the people leave and there is no one left to use the platform.  eCS needs to try to move out from the "Legacy Market" because that market is focused to "squeeze money" while it is available and later dump it. It needs to move to a different market, which is hard, but at least it needs to be tried.

This is why I think that all efforts that we made today needs to be done in a way that allows derivative works to be done in the future without the control of only one person or company........ is it the open source solution showing up again?

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Applications / Synchronizing files between several machines
« on: October 05, 2014, 06:49:07 pm »
Hi

I want to know which tools are you using to synchronize files between several machines (eCS against eCS, or eCS against other OS).

I was tempted to use "owncloud". But for what I read you need to set up a PHP server to make the "main repository" to work.
I also noticed we have Synkron and rsync ported, but I had never used. I also checked on the wikipedia to see what other alternatives are on any platform.

What do you recommend to syncronize files automatically between two computer that are on the same network? I want something with "no cloud", just that when the two machine finds on the network, it starts syncing the changed on the selected folders.

Regards

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Utilities / Convert INF to PDF
« on: September 29, 2014, 06:22:45 pm »
Hi

I want to recover all the OS/2 Toolkit documents for EDM/2, since the links to "http://cyberkinetica.homeunix.net" are now dead.

So, I want to ask permission to IBM to republish, but first I need to convert INF files to PDF format, because nobody can read INF file (with the exception of us). Plus I think that PDF will be a better format to put on the web since it can be indexed by search engines, etc.

What do you recommend me to convert the INF OS/2 Toolkit documents to PDF? or does someone has already converted (maybe I missed that)?

I tried INF2HTML which is good, but I need to go to the next step and convert it to PDF.

Regards

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Applications / Regina REXX vs. OS/2 REXX
« on: September 29, 2014, 04:38:53 pm »
Hi

I have not much idea about this topic, so I wanted to ask you feedback to brainstorm this idea.

Since OS/2 REXX interpreter/libraries are close source, how do you see the possibility to replace OS/2 REXX library included in eCS-Warp4.52 with the open source Regina REXX (as an experiment, I'm not requesting/demanding to do it at your home).

- Do you think it may be something that can be done?
- What is the experience on running Regina REXX OS/2 port on this platform?.
- Is something else that OS/2 REXX has that Regina is missing?
- What can get broken on OS/2 replacing REXX with Regina REXX?

Just go ahead and  give your thoughts on  this idea.

Regards.

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General Discussion / Hobbes and Libraries.
« on: August 31, 2014, 01:42:25 am »
Hi

I was thinking that maybe it is missing a "lib" directory on hobbes where it stores libraries for the platform (Binaries and source code).  Even that libraries are just apps too, I understand it like DLLs that are used by other programs, like Cairo, SDL, Qt, etc, etc. I had noticed that a lot of binary libraries file are located on "/pub/os2/dev" and I'm not sure that is complete right. (even that a library can be seen as help for development).

What do you think about asking to create "/pub/os2/lib" at hobbes? Do you think it is necessary some sub-directories to classify the libraries? (Audio, video, graphics, Qt, rexx, java, ?).

Regards

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Events / Are you going to WarpStock USA?
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:06:07 pm »
Hi

I wanted to go to WarpStock USA this year, but sadly I do not have the funds for the trip. I will only be there via Skype --- talking about how great open source software is :) 

But I want to know who is going and to see if they can share content with community.  If you can take pictures, write review, record vide, help there with local live streaming, anything that you can share, please let me know.

I will really like that the content and things said there get preserved for the community.

Regards

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Programming / Doxygen and XWorkplace
« on: August 27, 2014, 07:55:40 pm »
"Doxygen is the de facto standard tool for generating documentation from annotated C++ sources, but it also supports other popular programming languages such as C, Objective-C, C#, PHP, Java, Python, IDL (Corba, Microsoft, and UNO/OpenOffice flavors), Fortran, VHDL, Tcl, and to some extent D."

http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/

It is open source, there not an updated version for OS/2, and the GUI tool for OS/2 seems to only run on X11.
So I tried on Windows first and made a quick and dirty report from the XWorkplace code.

I really liked what the tool generated.


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I'm sorry Alexander that your forum thread got hi-jacked by this old conflict. There is a old conflict between Eugene, that sells eCS russian software, and some other Russian developer groups.

We are merry and fun community of users :)  ....but sadly I need to reply hard on this issues and try to explain a more philosophical point of view about Open Source to Eugene.

Eugene, it is hard to discuss with you because you don't support the Open Source model, and sometime it is hard to understand your english. (my personal opinion) Money is important, and developers needs to be paid, but that does not mean that it is obligatory to produce close source software and charge for license. To me close source software today is future abandonware... because everybody will leave to be an OS/2 user in one way or other ..... or do you think we are going to leave this life alive? :)

Selling license is a 90's model that is getting close to the end. Selling software in commodities like Operating Systems, Office Suites, Web Application servers and a lot of other software sales are getting complicated because of the options you have in the market.

Eugene, you offer a library that is freeware (not open source), and someday you may change your mind, you may start charging money for it, or even someday you may die (like everybody here) and all your software will became abandonware. Instead the open source software has the possibility to live forever without depending on the developer. Please try to embrace the open source model. Thanks to open source we have firefox, OpenOffice, XWorkplace..... yes, the effort of the developers is important, but if we didn't have Firefox open sourced in the first place today we will not have a browser at all. Money is important, but this is a community, not a marketplace anymore.

Quote
....when you made efforts to collect money for new fraud (port network drivers, etc).
Eugene, it seems that you don't understand that this kind of comments hurts you instead of others. We all know the issues on both sides (eCo Software vs Russian developers) and I'm sick of that. We are not here to define who is good or bad, we only discuss things.  Eugene, if you have problems that hurts your business, please start with legal actions and please stop this.

Returning to open source. Open Source is the only way we have to reduce the #1 issue of this community.
The #1 issue is that this is orphan platform, IBM dumped us, and nobody has OS/2 source code available to keep improving it components. I want to this platform to live forever and evolve in time, while other just want drivers, other just want their things working, other just wants to make money and other just wants their business software running. On which side are you?

Open Source will set the platform free, once we get our freedom, we can turn from a community to market again, and you can sell all your products to get millions. But right now, if we want this platform to endure in long future we need to collaborate, and open source is a formal way to do it with clear rules, and we all need to put the shoulder. 

Or.... we can try to squeeze the last dollar to the 400 (?) OS/2 community users left? Should we turn OS2World under paid subscription? :)     ....oh.. that was what killed WarpCity.... I should stop digging into the past, I may wake a Balrog :)

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Programming / OS/2 API graphic Map
« on: August 26, 2014, 05:03:52 pm »
Hi.

Some time ago I made some efforts to try to document OS/2 architecture at a high level (here some attached files).

Now I want to try to understand better, at a high level, how is the OS/2 APIs begin organized and try to generate a high level graphic about it too.

Example: This is an in-complete graphic example from the EDM/2 OS/2 API project.



My questions are:

1) Do you think that the OS/2 API Project at EDM/2 has a good organization about it? http://www.edm2.com/index.php/Category:The_OS/2_API_Project
2) Do you have any references to try to have a diagram on how the APIs are organized?
3) Any suggestions to try to organize it?

I have not practiced with UML in a long time, but if you have good examples of what can be a good way to diagram the OS/2 API organization, that can be better than this mindmap,  please let me now.

Regards

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General Discussion / Audio/Video Streaming for Events
« on: August 11, 2014, 06:31:32 pm »
I will like to discuss the idea of Audio/Video live streaming on Events.  I want that "on-premise" events had more online presence and for people that is not able to be on that events can also be there in some kind of way.

Even that I will like this for WarpStock and other meeting, I'm not discussing it to be implemented on any of the events now. So I hope this do not create any false hopes. This is just to give ideas to the possibilities.

So, we all know that OS/2 is limited on the Video Streaming area, so putting the ego aside, I'm considering all platforms I know.

And I want to discuss the possibilities.

Option 1) UStream and Android.  The most easy thing.
To have someone with an Android phone and UStream sharing the content on the UStream portal.

Advantages:
1) It is easy as hell to configure and requires little hardware.

Disadvantages:
1) An Android phone is not a camera and to not get tired it needs a tripod. Can you get a phone tripod?
2) The audio and presentation that shows up may not be a nice/sharp for the online viewer. Also any demo from OS/2 showing will had to be phone recording the projector screen.
3) The online viewer requires Flash. I haven't see an option to watch UStream on VLC for example... but it will be good to take a look.


Please, if anybody has experience with Audio/Video streaming on OS/2 or other platforms please post your ideas.

Regards

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Setup & Installation / Re-organizaing OS/2-eCS Directories.
« on: July 21, 2014, 04:44:51 am »
Hi

I still dream of a next version of eCS (or anything else) that improves the directories structure to have a more clean C:\ root. Some years ago I wrote some suggestions like this one (Recommendation #8 – Directory and File Structure ).

I want to know how hard will be to move some folder from the standard structure. I still dream of moving:
- DMISL
- IBMCOM
- IBMGSK
- IBMGSK40
- IBMGSK50
- IBMLAN
- LANGUAGE
- MMOS2
- MPTN
- MUGLIB
- PSFONTS
- TCPIP

Possible a good site for those folder can be under "/OS2/System".

What do you think.? Do you have any experience moving those directories? Which ones can be moved easily and which one of those are hardcoded and can not be place somewhere else?

Regards

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Internet / Firefox 17.0.11 - Couldn't load xpcom.dll
« on: July 12, 2014, 05:17:34 pm »
Hi

I recently installed Firefox 17.0.11 (Warpin Unofficial - thunderbird-17.0.11esrpre.en-us.os2-wpi.wpi) on a fresh eCS 2.1 installation. I installed the latest libc, gcc and the Mozilla fonts.

When I run Firefox I get the message. "Couldn't load xpcom.dll".

1) Just in case I added X:\Programs\Firefox to the path and libpath, and did not worked.

2) A also thought that it was because firefox xpcom.dll was in conflict with an older thunderbird xpcom.dll, so I installed also Thunderbird 17.0.11 WPI and I have both xpcom.dll on the same level. But it keeps giving the same error.

Can you please give me hint? Am I missing something on the config.sys?

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Programming / GitHub Repository - Public OS/2 Source Code - Feedback
« on: July 10, 2014, 06:07:30 pm »
Hi

Like you may know I had been collecting all open source and public available source code for the OS/2-eCS platform on the GitHub Repository.  I'm still checking on hobbes for source code.... currently stuck on "/pub/os2/dev/mm" directory but when I finish the rest of "/dev" subdirectories I will complete this phase.

As next step, I want you to check and give me feedback on the "Drivers" that have public source code that I have stored:

Please check the list at: http://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Open_Source_Software#Drivers

Please let me know:
1) If I'm missing any other driver on the list which source code is publicly available.
2) If I have some wrong information about what does the driver does, it's license or any of the text of the driver list.
3) Any other feedback, but only related to the drivers part.

Help is appreciated.
Regards.

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