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Setup & Installation / Re: OS/2 Warp 4 Tutorial on ArcaOS 5.1
« on: November 01, 2024, 11:41:30 pm »
Best I can telll the configuration is in this file in the Warp 4 CD.
S:\OS2IMAGE\FI\FEATURE_\WARPGUID\INSTDATA.INI
This creates the different objects during the install of Warp 4.

I think the main Warp training lives in the file
S:\OS2IMAGE\FI\COACHES\OS2\HELP\_cchsys.db
It seems the proper class needs to be registered.

Aaah this is part of the OS/2 help.
https://www.os2world.com/wiki/images/f/fc/W4WPS-fig16.jpg

Roderick

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Setup & Installation / Re: OS/2 Warp 4 Tutorial on ArcaOS 5.1
« on: November 01, 2024, 11:13:10 pm »
To full fill my attempt of turning ArcaOS 5.1 in OS/2 Warp 4, I try to get the Tutorial to run.

I copied all the necessary files etc. like I did so many times before, beginning with some ( I do not know exactly wich ) Version of ArcaOS the Tutorial does not work as designed.

It creates the Training Folder on the desktop, but instead of showing the application it opens teh help file with the viewer, please see attached picture.

I guess this is the problem: the files must be connected to the viewer in some way.

Is it possible to turn this back for the tutorial program?

What do I have to do to get it up and running?

Thanks in Advance!

You made me interested let me see if I can figure this one out. I know what guide you mean....
It also plays a VLC animation I think that Warp 4 course.

Roderick

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I'm building up a new desktop system because I think it's time to replace my 4 core Intel one with a newer 8 core AMD. Bought an Asrock B550M Pro4 and a Ryzen 7 5700G. The system isn't nearly setup as I like but I think I should share some findings. This was the first time I played (have to play) with UEFI boot and GPT disks.

I have to say -
Concrates to ArcaNoae. I was surprised that handling EFI partition, UEFI boot with the AN Launcher and even creating a GPT partition on a 8TB drive works with ArcaOS5.1. Some things work even way better than with other tools/OSes.

More details - I started with a 2TB NVMe Samsung 980Pro. I partitioned this traditionally as MBR with Airboot and setup a ArcaOS partitions. But also made an EFI partition. I also reserved 3 partitions for Debian (swap, root, home). Also reserved some space for Win7 (which I didn't use later on but...). After the ArcaOS installation basically worked I installed Debian 11 in the reserved partitions. This went fine. But I can't get Debian 11 to offer more than 800x600 resolution. Some of the describes ways on the internet to use newer Ryzen with Debian 11 didn't work for me. Btw. ArcaOS supports only 2560x1440 on this system instead the desired 3840x2160 (needs a ticket and I hope David can fix this). So had to switch to Debian 12. This now works with the Ryzen integrated GPU in full 3840x2160.

I've to say ArcaOS installation went smooth but Debian was even easier to install. Debian also honors my partitioning (made with ArcaOS), means it didn't destroy anything in contrast to OpenSuse.

Now the hardest thing to install was Win7. Original W7 installation media don't work with NVMe and don't support XHCI controller. So I had to find patched ISOs prepared for newer systems. These don't wanna install on MBR disk because MS allows UEFI only on a GPT disk. So I put in another 2TB Crucial T500 NVMe. I prepared this with the ArcaOS installation stick as GPT and made the partitions for Win. As I was there I also installed onto the GPT disk another ArcaOS test installation. This time with UEFI support (extra EFI partition).

I also installed reFind cause I read it should be a good UEFI launcher. After playing a lot with all the options I have to say I like the AN Launcher better. I couldn't configure reFind to suppress unneeded ArcaOS, Win and Debian entries. In contrast the AN Launcher is easy to setup. It's also cool that with ArcaOS you usually give a drive letter to the EFI partition and so you can edit the config files there easily. For Win you need extra (time limited) software to access this TTBOMK. Probably you can do this from Linux too but I don't know Linux good enough to find out how until now.

Bad thing about all this UEFI stuff is that when installing different OSes or try to start from a stick you constantly need to go into BIOS setup and rearrange boot order. Or maybe this is a bad habit of my Asrock board. But especially Win changes things to start only Win next time. So you have to change in BIOS the right disk (EFI with your launcher) constantly.

Good thing about AN Launcher is also it seems to have some kind of fall back mode. If selected partition does not exist it shows a list of partitions on different disk you can chose to start. Needed this a few times.

OpenSuse installation destroyed the LVM information on my first disk. So one of my ArcaOS installation couldn't be started anymore. Tried with DFSee to repair but gave up. Used the ArcaOS installation stick and surprise, surprise, the disk checking tool mentioned the problem and was able to fix it. Thanks ArcaNoae. Even for me as a long time DFSee user it was way easier to let the disk checker do it's work than playing with DFsee myself.

I also put into a 8TB disk drive. At first I created a standard 2TB partition with MiniLVM. But afterwards I found out you should better use PTE.exe for that. With that you can create GPT partitions which are needed for such big drives. Luckily every ArcaOS installation has included gpt.sys in config.sys. So you can use such partitions even when added later on.

I also put into temporarily a 1TB SSD (SATA Crucial MX500) which I used to transfer data. When trying to copy a few partitions with all in all about 700GB of data ArcaOS reproducible hangs. I thought David had fixed the AHCI driver for this (I had a ticket about and lot of work went into solving this) but it seems there are some situations where it still does not work. Crucial offers firmware xx46 which should fix some very rare hangs in corner cases so I updated the SSD firmware from xx45 to xx46 (this time used Win for that cause way easier than the other options). I thought I've already updated this drive last year but not sure anymore. I'm not really sure all problems are gone now but at least I could copy my 700GB in a few 100'000 files finally.

So still under construction and will take a long way to setup a final ArcaOS main partition (probably when DE arrives) also take some time to prepare the Win7 I need it and a lot to discover with Debian and OpenSuse. But the first steps are done and ArcaOS works on bare metal here. Writing this with Seamonkey, the copied profile from the old system, and even with this long text no hang until now ;-). Six of the eight cores usually sleeps at idle. Hyperthreading is disabled although I looked nice to see OS/2 showing 16 cores. When Seamonkey is running power consumption is about 70W. Without about the half. Win uses less, Debian even less. Btw. Win7 can't handle 3840x2160 too. Such a shame AMD don't support this GPU anymore although it's a few years old anyway. If anyone knows a trick for Win7 and still read until here, please...

While its not rulled out. The likelihood of conflicts between different OS partitions with GPT is way smaller then with MBR disc layout.
Nice to hear the install went that smoothly.

Roderick

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Sigurd, what bldlevel does your copy of LANINST.PGM report?

Hi Steven,

I unfortunately can not find a file with this name on my pc, where I do have the copied CID files form the WSeB CD as well. (A full serach ended with no result).

Where should this file be located?

Thanks again!

Aaah this is soooo fun. Anyway on the WSeB CD (this can depend on the language). On an English WSeB its located in:
\CID\SERVER\IBMLS\IBM500S1
In that directory is:
SRVRINST.ZIP

In that ZIP file on my system is LANINST.PGM.

Roderick

While I can't see the fun in this, maybe because of my german sense of Humor, I will Look there.

It was meant somewhat sarcastic.. Some of the installers are pretty complex/different per installer of OS/2.

Roderick

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Sigurd, what bldlevel does your copy of LANINST.PGM report?

Hi Steven,

I unfortunately can not find a file with this name on my pc, where I do have the copied CID files form the WSeB CD as well. (A full serach ended with no result).

Where should this file be located?

Thanks again!

Aaah this is soooo fun. Anyway on the WSeB CD (this can depend on the language). On an English WSeB its located in:
\CID\SERVER\IBMLS\IBM500S1
In that directory is:
SRVRINST.ZIP

In that ZIP file on my system is LANINST.PGM.

Roderick

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Setup & Installation / Re: Switch from CSM to UEFI
« on: October 29, 2024, 03:05:06 pm »
Perhaps it isn't that hard. I think you could do this experiment.

Install ArcaOS 5.1 on the system you have now.
Install the new graphics card and switch to UEFI
Install ArcaOS 5.1 on a different volume.
Compare the Config.sys. I think only a graphics has changed.
Make that change and copy the files it refers to to the first ArcaOS installation config.sys
See if the first installation now boots under UEFI

Make sure you have space to make the new boot volumes and also the EFI volume.

you also need an ESP partition.... Effectively UEFI boot no longer uses an MBR.
Airboot stops working to any dualboot options will have to be setup again.

Roderick

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Hardware / Testing if a UEFI system can work with ArcaOS....
« on: October 29, 2024, 01:50:20 pm »
This tool used to be limited to the ArcaOS install media (syseval). You can now download it here:
https://www.arcanoae.com/wiki/arcaos/uefi-diagnostics/
Its a UEFI tool tool so it does not run under ArcaOS, Windows or Linux, and you need to load as UEFI tool.
It seems pretty simple... (See website for instructions).

Roderick

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Sigurd,

This

  SS:ESP=05c7:00003732  SSACC=00f3  SSLIM=00003fff

indicates we failed with stack overflow.  Of course, this does not tell us why.  We need to see to logs to get some idea of what the installer was doing at the time of the exception.

Hi Steven,

attached are the only two log files related to lan server stuff, I was able to find.

There are no Server related logs in \var.

Thank you very much,

Sigurd

At this point I would say I do not think there is anything else we can really do. Unless Steve has questions. For some unknown reasom that PGM file crashes. But the root cause is not known.
Did you test it on another system Sigurd ?

Roderick

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Setup & Installation / Re: Switch from CSM to UEFI
« on: October 29, 2024, 01:44:02 pm »
I have Win10 but since it's been run with CSM it has not created any ESP partition. AFAIK updating Win10 to Win11 requires UEFI so I assume that the updating process will create the ESP partition, (the Win10-disk has enough free space).
Before updating to Win11 I think I will disconnect the AOS-disk and only have the win-disk and another empty disk in the system.
If the win updating goes well I'll install latest AOS to the empty disk.

Finally I plan to re-connect the older AOS disk and wonder if there is something I have to do manually or will it be seen automatically and added to whatever boot manager AOS 5.1 sets up?

The graphics card is a Radeon RX 7800 XT and I have no idea about the size of the frame buffer or where it is put.
 
I have checked https://www.arcanoae.com/wiki/ and the info is good for a new installation however I initially had a hope of "converting" an existing AOS installation to UEFI. Couldn't find any info for that scenario so I'll go for a new 5.1 installation.

The reason its not a common support scenario is indeed because if it works it works. Its also not that easy to automate conversion to a UEFI system.  The primary thing is that you need a new partition and converting the HDD to gpt disc layout is more complex yet again (if you want this). Could Arca Noae have developed this code ? Perhaps. But its pretty complex code.

Roderick

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Thank you Roderick and David, but none of the tipps helped. The same POPUPLOG.OS2 as before.

What logs are in \var\log ? Do a dir /od.

Roderick

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Hi Sigurd,

  This is a total shot in the dark: do you have the 'STUBFSD.IFS ISOFS' line in CONFIG.SYS? If so try disabling that. Maybe disable UDF.IFS too, reboot then retry.

Regards,

Thats not the cause! The issue is this PGM file is ran by the PEER installer. Alex his installer calls the PEER installer and then the peer installer calls this PGM file.
I asked if this ran in Virtualbox as I have sometimes seen the peer installer crash because of this reason.

Sigurd try running the system with /MAXCPU=1 behind ACPI.PSD and see if this is an SMP issue. Normally this installer is ran with a single CPU core switched on.
Try this and let us know what then happens.

Roderick

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Hi Steven,

thank you very much for looking into this!

This is what POPUPLOG.OS2 shows:

10-25-2024  20:28:18  SYS3175  PID 0059  TID 0002  Slot 00a7
C:\IBMLAN\INSTALL\IBMLAN\INSTALL\LANINST.PGM
c0000005
0007abf7
P1=00000008  P2=00004f34  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX 
EAX=00000005  EBX=0000004e  ECX=0000000c  EDX=e3980000
ESI=00b90000  EDI=00370000 
DS=0000  DSACC=****  DSLIM=******** 
ES=05c7  ESACC=00f3  ESLIM=00003fff 
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
CS:EIP=003f:0000abf7  CSACC=00fb  CSLIM=0000dd83
SS:ESP=05c7:00003732  SSACC=00f3  SSLIM=00003fff
EBP=00b9504f  FLG=00010212

LANINST.PGM 0006:0000abf7


Is it of any help?

Thanks again!!

EDIT;

Searching for SYS3175OS/2 leads me to this homepage:

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/os2-warp-server-40-sys3175-installation-error-and-multiple-cd-rom-drives-servers

It refers to multiple CDROM Drives, if I understand correctly. But I do not have more than one, and this is usb.
I will try to disable USB CDROM Support and try it again.


EDIT II
Same error, no difference

Question are you installing under Virtualbox ? Or is this on bare metal ?

Roderick

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Hardware / Re: ASRock B550M-HDV
« on: October 22, 2024, 01:37:17 pm »
I just successfully installed Arca OS 5.1 on this motherboard with EFI enabled. It seems to install a little slower in this mode but it runs just as well when installed as my CSM computer. Now we have another alternative.

Run a sysbench
https://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php?title=SysBench

The performance difference between CSM and UEFI mode should be just about 0.  UEFI code is mostly active when ArcaOS loads. Once the OS is loaded the impact of the UEFI loader is well under 1% is not lower.
GPT filter driver will have about a max 15% impact.

Measure it then you know what you are dealing with.

Roderick

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Setup & Installation / Re: Is FixPak 5 for WSeB 4.52 available anywhere?
« on: October 20, 2024, 10:36:37 pm »
RTAN - not sure if this fits your needs - but I am running the networking part of WSeB on top of AOS 5.1.  I think this might address fix pak issues - assuming those issues are related to the operating system rather than the networking/LAN server part.  Alex Taylor has an install program and instructions for how to do this.  You can do this with  the WSeB networking on eCS or any version of AOS .  After you install the operating system, without networking, Alex's program requires the WSeB CD and it installs the networking components from that CD.

https://articles.os2voice.org/category/software/15-lan-server-installation-utility.html

Roderick

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Setup & Installation / Re: Is FixPak 5 for WSeB 4.52 available anywhere?
« on: October 14, 2024, 12:56:20 am »
Thanks very much Martin.

I tried installing FixPak 3 (XR_E003) but when I ran Service.exe it told me that it found no products to service. I presume therefore that build 14.089 is equal to, or more recent than, FixPak 3.

If FixPak 5 ever turns up online anywhere I'll try again. I can't search Archive.org for the time being because it's offline due to a data breach and DDoS attack :( Honestly, who would do such a thing?!

Richard.

I think MCP fixpak packs where never official released to the public. You needed access to software choice. For OS/2 Warp 4 you also have fixpak 16 and 17.  Could only be officially downloaded from IBM SWC website.  So finding MCP 5 is likely to be very difficult.

Roderick

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