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Messages - Eugene Gorbunoff

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> But right now it is not the comment to squeeze money of the community for commercial software.

I don't know what is better:
a) When every user can buy registration key, so the developer supports the user, has obligations, should make efforts to keep program work better.  The developer is listening to the customers because understands that implemented features will attract new customers.

b) or when the developers of open source make noise about sponsoring. "make donations", "press Sponsor button",..  too much pressure on the users. and you see the messages even if you already have transferred sponsor money. "You have a problem with our program? Fix yourself! No, we don't want do this, no, we will not change this"

That's why eCo Software selected the model of shareware sellings. In reality all our software is created on sponsor money but we have more  civilized relations with the users.

"In the case of a platform like OS/2, which is dying, right now it is the moment for " .. and I continue: think how to use OS/2 for business purposes, how to attract engineers, how to compete with other commercial products. How to distribute OS/2 computers which execute special tasks.

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To Martin Iturbide:

* XWorkPlace.. As I remember, there was XFile WPS extender (XFolder + WarpEnhancer + XPager). and XWorkPlace was developed with the support of Serenity Systems. It was impossible develop this project without this investments. There was D-Day, there was collaboration with eCS developers, short terms to complete the project. This is the example of open sourced program ordered and supported by the commercial company.

* OK, AirBoot - good example, WarpIn - good example. It's impossible sell this programs, so it's normal that this apps were open sourced.

* Do you have more examples of apps developed in OS/2 and open sourced from the beginning?

* Piano Launchpad doesn't use GPL or other code. It was developed by our professional WPS developer. Of course, we have read the examples from hobbes.

* "What will happen to your software if you suddenly die " - closed source doesn't mean that the source code is stored in the Tower and nobody can see it. Other *Professional* OS/2 developers get access to our source code by request. If an accident happens, then the developers which have access to this code and have part of rights will make the decision what to do with this modules.

* One more time: we all agree that open source is good, it's easy to maintain, fix. Main question to you: who will pay for open sourcing? For open sourcing of existing apps. For creation of new and open sourced?



To Ian Manners:

> You talk as if you have been educated by Microsoft,

I was educated on the streets of OS/2 town. The market here is different from real life. OS/2 dollar is 10x more expensive (ten times). And yes, I respect Microsoft corporation.


> you have no idea what 'Open Source' software is, or what it is about

My arguments:
* I am listening all presentations of Yuri Dario which follows open source way since 90-th
* We have discussed open sourcing million times, russian articles, year 2002: http://ecomstation.ru/showarticle.php?id=63
year 2004: http://ecomstation.ru/showarticle.php?id=102
* I am reading all messages from Martin Iturbide regarding Open Source campaign

And I am working on OS/2 market and eComStation since 1996/1997, interacting with all developers of native software. So I see what happens, what the developers of shareware do.

I agree with all advantages of open sourcing. But I make questions how to apply open sourcing to OS/2 market. Filter (Remove) all open source ported software and you see different picture.






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Programming / Re: eCS 2.2 C API documentation
« on: August 27, 2014, 04:56:12 pm »
Hello Ian Manners

I am victim here.
* Pirates group is distributing false about Panorama VESA driver, I posted url which demonstrates that the driver has the function.
* I am answering the the question of the developer about OS/2 API. And I was attacked by OpenSource fanatics.

os2world.com opened the doors to this group, so more conflicts happen. Please post the warnings to this new people.



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* XWorkPlace was paid by Serenity Systems. Do you have *more* examples? Do you see the reality? There is no active open source projects  ( we don't talk about ported software).

* It's clear that if source code is published - it's better. But the reality is different. There is no sponsor which goes buy out the source code from the developers of OS/2 applications.

* So all declarations "Open source, open source, .." are empty. And dangerous when Open source fanatics attack the developers of standard OS/2 apps and libraries.

 

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Programming / Re: Re: eCS 2.2 C API documentation
« on: August 27, 2014, 11:19:09 am »
To Martin Iturbide:

Article "OpenSource OS/2 / eComStation - fake target"
(russian text) http://ru.ecomstation.ru/showarticle.php?id=305


What topic is more important?
"Let's open source  OS/2"
or
* What Solutions to develop, what are the areas of eComStation usage?
* What unique functions to implement in eCS? in user interface, in functionality?
* What libraries and development tools do we have in eCS?
* What applications to develop to attract more users and extend the market?
* How to overcome the "barriers"?

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Programming / Re: Re: eCS 2.2 C API documentation
« on: August 27, 2014, 11:00:03 am »
To Martin Iturbide:

* I don't have conflicts with russian developers. We all, all developers of OS/2 shareware applications, all users have conflict with the pirates. And os2world.com moderators have verified this and were protecting us in the past.

* eCo Software supports Open Source model, we have some open source programs.

* Yes, you can sit on a mountain and wait when OS will be opensourced, but what to do today? Today the developers need libraries, the users need tools and applications.

* Do you have examples of applications which were created for OS/2 and then opensourced? XWorkPlace development and opensourcing was paid by eComStation. More examples?

* All this discussions about open source are not actual. When possible, the program is opensourced. You should understand that opensourced program are more expensive than shareware. Somebody should pay full price for the program.

* "Open source" topic is not the most important. Better discuss how to use OS/2 for engineer tasks, for business tasks, .. 


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Programming / Re: eCS 2.2 C API documentation
« on: August 27, 2014, 02:16:32 am »
To Alexander:

Moreover, ACPI API was added to the operating system, SDL library, etc




To: Boris (dbanet)

It's difficult dispute here.

I offer libraries to the developers, you offer the slogan: "let's use open source".

You position is not very smart, the users have seen that you are a swindler, when you made efforts to collect money for new fraud (port network drivers, etc).

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Programming / Re: eCS 2.2 C API documentation
« on: August 27, 2014, 01:05:49 am »
The development of OS/2 software is very labour-intensive. You can't create good application using pure OS/2 API. You can create applications in short terms if using additional libraries.

OS/2 users and developers which understand the importance of native software, will support this libraries.


LIABILITY DISCLAIMER: this is how I understand and what I know, I may be highly inaccurate, or even completely wrong! There are no claims, promises, or guarantees about the accuracy, completeness, or adequacy of the contents of my posts. Think on your own!

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Programming / Re: eCS 2.2 C API documentation
« on: August 27, 2014, 12:48:53 am »
In addition to OS/2 API, new libraries were included to eComStation -- http://ecomstation.ru/toolkit
* You can create PM application using C++ Windows library: Glass PM C++
* access sqlite databases
* xio to download files from ftp/http
* etc

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Programming / Re: New OS/4 kernel :: SVN4222
« on: August 21, 2014, 12:33:38 pm »
My message aimed to protect the developers of Panorama disappeared:

Support of PAT and MTRR is implemented in Panorama VESA and was improved in 2012:
http://ecomstation.ru/commentnews.php?id=2233

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Networking / Re: Firefox connection Issues
« on: August 15, 2014, 06:28:03 pm »
what version of Firefox?

Firefox 10 issues:
* If the browser is busy reading harddrive on startup during 2, 5 or 20 minutes then
remove Cache directory: x:\HOME\DEFAULT\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\xxxxxxxx.default\Cache
and start the browser again

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Hardware / Re: laptop worck with ecs
« on: August 11, 2014, 08:36:20 pm »

All reports about tested notebooks are collected here:
http://en.ecomstation.ru/hardware.php
-> Laptops / Brand computers

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Article Discussions / Re-energizing OS/2
« on: August 06, 2014, 01:52:13 am »

Interview: Discussing Re-energizing OS/2 with Lewis Rosenthal -- http://ecomstation.ru/showarticle.php?id=303

// OS/2 Guru Jam Session

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Setup & Installation / Re: Is eComStation DEAD?
« on: August 02, 2014, 12:55:08 pm »
Today OS/2 is valuable because it can run on real hardware. There is flow of money, there are developers because it is running on real hardware, there is demand on this alternative OS.

If settle OS/2 to Virtual machine or create WPS for Linux then it will become unnecessary. All developers will go away and .. only the developer of WPS front-end will stay alive.

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Hardware / Re: AMD 8-Core, UEFI and eCS 2.1 a No Go
« on: July 31, 2014, 01:43:45 pm »

do you disable EFI?
did you tried boot with danis506
did you switched USB 3.0 to 2.0?

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