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Applications / OpenOffice default Font Arial -> Calibri?
« on: January 29, 2023, 10:41:37 am »
How can I set the default font to Calibri? Usually f.i. in Calc font is set to Arial. I think this is the same for all platforms. Is there a way to set the default to Arial? Do I have to change the default templates for that?

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Applications / Re: 4OS2 Location Discussion
« on: January 15, 2023, 11:05:25 am »
Gregg, I think you're latest 4os2 sources are in https://github.com/StevenLevine/4os2, right? Have you tagged your 3.11 release there? I'm not very experienced with git/github but currently I see no release tags or releases.

Yes the latest sources are in https://github.com/StevenLevine/4os2. I have not tagged the release and probably can't tag it exactly because of how the updating of the repo was done. If you wish I will tag what is there now since it is close to the 3.11 release. 

I wasn't aware of the bitbucket repo. Do you have code that isn't in the git repo? I'm sure Steven would give you access to the git repo. My vote is to go with github for this. Thanks

Gregg

Searching my emails I found that the last time I checked out from perforce was around 24.04.2020. I've nothing newer than that (which could be useful for others). So most probably Steven has the same or newer.

Tagging - I like it when properly done. But when it's not easy to tag exactly the released version it's better you wait and tag when you make the next 3.12 release (or some intermediate version distributed with ArcaOS).

github is fine cause both of you seem to have arranged with it. I mean do what you like as you're the main contributor during the last years. I don't have plans to contribute much as my work on a graphical overlay (to overcome 8k screen buffer) stalls since years anyway. I only prefer to have a common place with current sources accessible to others. In other words keep it open source :-).

I thought Steven is working on including old commit data before he wanted to create a new git repo (or did we discuss this for openwatcom?). Do you know anything about that? I fear it's impossible (to hard to do) without the help of Perforce. At least that's what I understand back then.

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Applications / Re: 4OS2 Location Discussion
« on: January 14, 2023, 07:09:05 pm »
Please check how http://trac.netlabs.org/4os2/wiki looks now.
I'm open to suggestions.
Greggs latest version is at the netlabs ftp too. I guess it's the same as at Hobbes. I can upload new versions at netlabs ftp if I'm aware of.

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Andi B. Is it possible to sync your bitbucket code with Stevens Github, or both development took different routes and it is not possible?
We always worked at the same sources until the situation with perforce got to cumbersome/impossible to deal with. I've no clue why Steven created the one at github, I wasn't aware of this since a few days. Before I created the bitbucket repository I started to discuss this at the AN dev list. Also because I saw Steven made some versions for AN which I couldn't find the sources for. IIRC there was no feedback so I went ahead and created the bitbucket repo. Maybe Steven forgot about this or didn't recognize. Anyway if the github repo is the one where the current coders work it's better to delete my bitbucket repo. But then we should discuss the access rights there.

Long talking but in the end I think Gregg should decide how to move on with 4os2 cause he's the one who contributed most the last years.

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Applications / Re: 4OS2 Location Discussion
« on: January 14, 2023, 05:26:51 pm »
news://news.gmane.io/gmane.org.netlabs.4os2.user
Last message is from 2014. I can not post anything else there, I guess it is read only. I haven't used a Newsgroup reader in years.
I think there were no newer post than the ones from 06.04.2014.

gmane.org.netlabs.community was active until January 2020 at least. But I think not longer.

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I just had a curious problem with my T540p. I've different eCS / OS/2 / ArcaOS installation next to Win10/7 on this Thinkpad. I now decided to make an additional NTFS partition available for Win and never thought this will lead to such catastrophic problem. Steps I did -
- booted OS/2 and with DFSee I created a new NTFS partition in den middle of the disk where there was some free space
- booted W10 and formated the newly partition with NTFS

A few days afterwards I wanted to boot one of the OS/2 partitions. But booting hangs after checking drive E:. Drive D: was checked before but the other JFS partitions afterwards were not checked (M: V: L: T: O: R: P: ...). The system simply hangs.

As all my installations do have JFS /autocheck:* I can't start any of the installed systems. Moreover this system can't be booted by the ArcaOS stick (known issue for this T540p). I can't boot from an old eCS CD too. I also didn't find any ALT-F1 cmd line working. What works was booting DOS from DFSee stick and changes partition type of the partition AFTER the new NTFS partition from 06 (FAT) to 07 and fix/align the one partition AFTER the NTFS one.

I think when I formated the NTFS partition from W10 this does also overwrite some stuff of the next partition behind. Or at least crippled some of the partition info of all these logical partitions. And afterwards OS/2 can't handle that and simply stopped booting. Although I do all my partitioning stuff with DFSee, Win always finds some way to destroy something. Or say it in other words, does some alignment on the disk which OS/2 can't deal with.

Now I've my systems booting again as usual. But I can't access the partition after the NTFS one anymore. Probably I've to delete it. Never thought that a simple format from W10 of an already aligned partition (with DFSee running from OS/2) can make such damage. Maybe I should let some gap around OS/2 partitions in future whenever I prepare a partition for Win.

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Applications / Re: 4OS2 Location Discussion
« on: January 14, 2023, 04:50:48 pm »
I have a question about the mailing list. Are those working?
No. TTBOMK these lists are dead since years.


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2) It says 4OS2 mailing list is mirrored to Gmane. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.netlabs.4os2.user
I can not access it. (Time out)

Does the mailing list works? Is there any way to access those mailing list history?
gmane don't work anymore since 2-3 years too. I've some old messages here in my SM profile from all these lists. But no clue if there is anything worth the effort to export/save/make available these. There's nothing new there.

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Applications / Re: 4OS2 Location Discussion
« on: January 14, 2023, 04:46:08 pm »
Andi B, if you still have access to edit the http://4os2.netlabs.org web page I would recommend to link users to http://trac.netlabs.org/4os2 and try to consolidate everything there.
The link is already there ;-) - Links.... No clue if I can still edit it, will check when I'm booted up the right OS. But you're right. These sites are not very easy do read/follow.

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I get the feeling this is an "OS/2 on hardware" place ... virtualization & methods using it become inflammatory on this site, which means I've wasted too much of everyone's time. It only took a few postings to figure that out ... my apologies to those who are very happy with OS/2 on physical.

The correct pieces are listed for my solution in those few postings, but the sales pitch fell short ...

I will look for other sites/forums on virtualization ...
I've to say I don't completely understand all your postings. Probably because my English is not well enough. But why don't you answer the few questions above? Is it cause you're programmed to leave a forum whenever someone realizes your an AI?

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Applications / Re: 4OS2 Location Discussion
« on: January 14, 2023, 01:14:13 pm »
Gregg, I think you're latest 4os2 sources are in https://github.com/StevenLevine/4os2, right? Have you tagged your 3.11 release there? I'm not very experienced with git/github but currently I see no release tags or releases.

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to use virtualization to run x64 apps from within OS/2
That's not true. Either you still don't understand the whole thing or you're spreading false information intentionally. You can't run 64 bit applications from within OS/2. You can ran it side by side with 16 and 32 bit OS/2 applications when you use virtualization. If you've a 64 bit host OS then they run on them. Not within OS/2. And OS/2 ist just 'another' application running under this host (abstracted by a virtualization layer). If you're running OS/2 as a host and run some 64 bit app within a guest (don't think that this even works but ...) you never could get the advantages of this 64 bit app. 

More and more I think JTA is not more than a test for an AI. He/she/it floods this forum with a lot of text which is hardly related to any of the questions asked here. Answers to questions to him/her/... are very long, but most of the time not don't get to the point. Here you have another few you can deal with - JTA who's behind you? Where are the specific answers to the questions asked before? Which OS/2 application do you use? Which specific program do you think runs better under ArcaOS than on other OSes? For which tasks are you using OS/2 beside testing if it work in a VM? How did you circumvent the problems an ArcaOS installation gives in VBOX 7?

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Applications / 4OS2 Location Discussion
« on: January 10, 2023, 08:52:54 am »
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4OS2 is at https://github.com/StevenLevine/4os2.
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Gregg
Interesting. Then http://trac.netlabs.org/4os2 is outdated and should not be used anymore.

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Applications / Re: Software Wishlist for 2023
« on: January 09, 2023, 05:36:27 pm »
For the OS/2 full version/installer Franks 2.0 (1.9+) builds are the more or less last official and most preferred version. Have to search for the link...

I think I've dowloaded the last (or near the last) official OW and 4os2 sources from the perforce repository before it went down. I've set up a non-official git repository for 4os2. For OW Steven and/or Michal (?) wanted to setup one at that time. Unfortunately it seems he doesn't find the time to do this. One problem is if I setup a git repository then it does not include the change history. So it's not so useful as it should. Moreover I wanted to have the official maintainers to set up a new official home.

Anyway if there is an urgent need I can try to upload the (nearly) latest perforce sources at sourceforge. Unfortunately checking in to my bitbucket account (my preferred place until a few months) doesn't work anymore.

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eComStation and best I can tell ArcaOS have an contract with IBM and the EULA of IBM is leading. The EULA requires you for installation to have a license.
So you can not install ArcaOS from a legal perspective if you buy one license.

Roderick
I remember there was an eCS license which worded something like - you are not allowed to use your license more than once at any given time. But it was allowed f.i. to have it installed on the desktop and when traveling using it on your notebook. All from the top of my head and I may remember wrong as it's so long ago. But it's not worth to dig it out as this is OT here anyway. Or do you think I violate any of my ArcaOS or eCS or Warp licenses? Of course I'm allowed to run my eCS as guest under my ArcaOS host. But it does not make any sense for me anyway. So what's your point?

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-  I want access to a modern Firefox, and I don't want to boot into Linux to get it. At the same time, I don't want to lose access to ArcaOS (by booting into Linux).
You would not lose your OS/2 data cause Linux can read your JFS partitions very well.

But he, when I'm on Linux then my FF and Seamonkey (email) profile and all my other data (documents, passwords, program sources) is on Linux host too. There's no sense anymore to store them in a virtualized guest system.

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Follow with me now ...
1. *Boot* one Host-OS, minimally configured ... never touch it again.

The key is the Host-OS. What is your Host-OS? Do you think there is any host OS which your really can 'never touch again'? And when you have a host OS, even a crippled one, then you have to master this host OS. And live with the host OS. Live with the host OSes quirks and problems. Have to keep them running and maybe install security updates there. Have to backup the host OS itself in case of ....

Example - for me the host OS never can be any Win cause I can't trust this OS. So the host have to be some flavor of Linux. FreeBSD, OpenSuse, Manjaro, Ubuntu, ... name it. It does not care. If I have a host OS which I have to know how to save, manage and backup my productive data, there's not much need anymore to produce any new data in a virtualized guest. There are tons of programs running native on Linux which will do my jobs similar or better than I do it on OS/2. But I've to live with the host OS crippled user interface (compared to the WPS) and with all the things you've to configure in some conf files in Linux.

Remember I know the benefits of VMs. But I don't see any advantage on running OS/2 as guest. If I change my main OS to some Linux then there will be no need anymore start OS/2 - ArcaOS. F.i. when I change my current file/mail/svn/web/.... server from OS/2 to Linux then a lot of things probably will work more smoothly as they do now. Given I ever invest the time to learn how to setup all this stuff on Linux.

For what do YOU need ArcaOS running in a VM?

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it turns out that we can bypass these limitations with multiple VM's. As best I can see, this takes away any remaining reasons why you can't run ArcaOS in fully productive fashion, today.
Virtualized ArcaOS has the same limitations than on bare metal. So what's the point? ArcaOS can't be 'fully productive' in the sense of running current applications or technology. F.i. no current browser (except dooble which works sort of) runs on ArcaOS regardless if virtualized or not. You can't dynamically add f.i. an eSATA drive to ArcaOS regardless if virtualized or not. You can't run current FF on ArcaOS. If I need it, I boot another OS. I've plenty of them in parallel on my system(s) to choice from the AirBoot menu. Or I fire up my WinXP guest (OS/2 host) and run what's available on this guest (though today very limited too).

As you see I still don't get what you're dreaming about. As long as I want my important data being manged under control of OS/2 I need to boot it bare metal. When I sometimes decide to manage my data under Linux then there is not much point in f.i. starting OpenOffice within the ArcaOS virtualized environment. OpenOffice runs better on Linux than it does under OS/2. So why should I fire up an ArcaOS guest if I finally decided to run Linux as primary (host) system?

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to modern standards for a single OS on a single physical machine
For me a single OS on on physical machine is not a standard. In contrary. All my systems have multiple OSes installed in parallel.

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