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Off Topic discussions / Re: Powerline combo with POE?
« on: August 18, 2020, 12:43:45 pm »
Thanks Andi for letting me know!
Always interesting to hear different people about this topic. (Maybe we should rename the topic :>)
It's always a problem, people treat such stuff as it would be their religion and spread rumours on a believable way.
Of course this only works with people that..
1) have no clue and
2) do not have the time to verify these exact topics.
... like I am! I have no clue and no time to verify. Also I find it difficult to get myself some trusty studies on that topic.
I do, however, have heard from collegues and THIS collegue especially. Some say mobile phone and wifi rays are completely safe, as they need to meet regulations, some others say: OMG go away with that, BECAUSE... [place some trusty sounding stuff here, that.. if you think about it, still sounds trusty].
As a noob, I have problems whom to trust.
The only option would be to go out and read oneself in.
Problem is, this is quite a vast field of new stuff to read into, especially with radiation and how rays are emmitted.
I've heard it even matters in which way the rays are measured.
First problem to face: Whom do you believe? Official sources, that only(?) tell you about officially validated values of highest radiation allowed for Wifi, DECT and mobile phones, or do you want to look behind these values and see what other countries have. Weirdly these can differ from country to country. - But why would they? Are polish people way easier to radiate (which is nonsense xD), or why did they have WAY lower maximum values for allowed radiation? Some months ago, Poland merged their regulations to fit european standards now... which allow higher radiation (like in Germany).
First noob question from me: How is that possible? Either a radiation at a specific level IS not healthy anymore OR it is still within healthy boundaries.
And second noob question: Who tells what is still healthy? Governments can't do this, as they have no clue about nerd things.. so they ask lobby organisations or even producers of such hardware what they THINK is still healthy.
But of course they want to sell their stuff, so they define their stuff to still emmit in healthy regions?
I still remember the japanese government to RAISE the allowed radiation limits AFTER the blowout in Fukushima, just to tell people "you are still safe! See? These are the safe values.. and look what we have measured! Don't panic. It's all still fine."
Even mainstream media reported that the measured values would atleast be classified as RISKY, applying the old maximum values... but of course are classified as SAFE with the new maximum.
Anyway. I've looked around for studies about health topics for Wifi and mobile phone rays, and the result was: Some studies come to the conclusion that mobile phones are a health RISK, especially 5G, and some others say its totally safe.
But whom to believe now? It's all a complete mess, as those who pay for these studies, do have their own interests.
All I know is that insurances won't insure against wifi rays/mobile phone rays. The official statement is: "We do not know if this is healthy or not."... which already is like Oh god.. why would they say this? They should have enough money to pay nerds that understand such stuff, or laboratories to test such things on their own.. if they cannot find any trusty study.
However... if insurance companies deny to insure something, it's generally a good idea to step back a little, as they are wealthy companies and should know the risks or be able to get the knowledge, as they usually insure ANYTHING but wifi/phone rays and nuclear power plants. : ] - There is even a insurance that covers aging on hollywood stars' body parts (yes, head that Madonna has her *ss insured for instance, on german mainstream TV)
--> Anyway. At the moment I have two contrary statements, and so it looks like I need to get my own measurement equipment (for low and high frequencies) to do my own checks on a frequent basis. - And of course I need to find sources of believable knowledge on that topic.
My collegue at work, who told me all of this, and showed believable statistics, used to work at a company that produces power generators, power houses and shieldings for those. Back then measuring this stuff became a hobby for him.
Because low frequency radiation limits were abused on a regular basis, he quit there for health reasons. Now he's working as a software developer at our place, and is radiated with high frequency rays like wifi and mobile phones for atleast 8 hours per day. Choose what delivers cancer quicker... ; )
Andi, can you suggest equipment for measurement and also link trusty documentation to read?
Always interesting to hear different people about this topic. (Maybe we should rename the topic :>)
It's always a problem, people treat such stuff as it would be their religion and spread rumours on a believable way.
Of course this only works with people that..
1) have no clue and
2) do not have the time to verify these exact topics.
... like I am! I have no clue and no time to verify. Also I find it difficult to get myself some trusty studies on that topic.
I do, however, have heard from collegues and THIS collegue especially. Some say mobile phone and wifi rays are completely safe, as they need to meet regulations, some others say: OMG go away with that, BECAUSE... [place some trusty sounding stuff here, that.. if you think about it, still sounds trusty].
As a noob, I have problems whom to trust.
The only option would be to go out and read oneself in.
Problem is, this is quite a vast field of new stuff to read into, especially with radiation and how rays are emmitted.
I've heard it even matters in which way the rays are measured.
First problem to face: Whom do you believe? Official sources, that only(?) tell you about officially validated values of highest radiation allowed for Wifi, DECT and mobile phones, or do you want to look behind these values and see what other countries have. Weirdly these can differ from country to country. - But why would they? Are polish people way easier to radiate (which is nonsense xD), or why did they have WAY lower maximum values for allowed radiation? Some months ago, Poland merged their regulations to fit european standards now... which allow higher radiation (like in Germany).
First noob question from me: How is that possible? Either a radiation at a specific level IS not healthy anymore OR it is still within healthy boundaries.
And second noob question: Who tells what is still healthy? Governments can't do this, as they have no clue about nerd things.. so they ask lobby organisations or even producers of such hardware what they THINK is still healthy.
But of course they want to sell their stuff, so they define their stuff to still emmit in healthy regions?
I still remember the japanese government to RAISE the allowed radiation limits AFTER the blowout in Fukushima, just to tell people "you are still safe! See? These are the safe values.. and look what we have measured! Don't panic. It's all still fine."
Even mainstream media reported that the measured values would atleast be classified as RISKY, applying the old maximum values... but of course are classified as SAFE with the new maximum.
Anyway. I've looked around for studies about health topics for Wifi and mobile phone rays, and the result was: Some studies come to the conclusion that mobile phones are a health RISK, especially 5G, and some others say its totally safe.
But whom to believe now? It's all a complete mess, as those who pay for these studies, do have their own interests.
All I know is that insurances won't insure against wifi rays/mobile phone rays. The official statement is: "We do not know if this is healthy or not."... which already is like Oh god.. why would they say this? They should have enough money to pay nerds that understand such stuff, or laboratories to test such things on their own.. if they cannot find any trusty study.
However... if insurance companies deny to insure something, it's generally a good idea to step back a little, as they are wealthy companies and should know the risks or be able to get the knowledge, as they usually insure ANYTHING but wifi/phone rays and nuclear power plants. : ] - There is even a insurance that covers aging on hollywood stars' body parts (yes, head that Madonna has her *ss insured for instance, on german mainstream TV)
--> Anyway. At the moment I have two contrary statements, and so it looks like I need to get my own measurement equipment (for low and high frequencies) to do my own checks on a frequent basis. - And of course I need to find sources of believable knowledge on that topic.
My collegue at work, who told me all of this, and showed believable statistics, used to work at a company that produces power generators, power houses and shieldings for those. Back then measuring this stuff became a hobby for him.
Because low frequency radiation limits were abused on a regular basis, he quit there for health reasons. Now he's working as a software developer at our place, and is radiated with high frequency rays like wifi and mobile phones for atleast 8 hours per day. Choose what delivers cancer quicker... ; )
Andi, can you suggest equipment for measurement and also link trusty documentation to read?