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It might work IF you can get the drivers for the various intel subsystems, video, chipset, lan, wireless lan and so on.

But as one commentator says, why spend that much when you can get a laptop with keyboard and screen for about half the price.

As for the isostick thing, there was something similar a few years ago that only really worked with windows and it appears that this is not much different.  Perhaps you couldn't use it for anything OS/2 related.

Networking / Re: Wireless
« on: March 18, 2013, 12:05:59 am »
If they follow the usual intel path then the exe file will be an unpacker which prepares the files to be installed.  If that is the case then you might be able to use universal extractor to get at those files.

Please remember this product is a demo CD - it is not a 'live' CD in the usual sense.  Certain features are disabled to ensure that people cannot use the CD as a substitute OS.  In some cases, IBM specifically required that we disable these features for the free demo. 

Access to OS/2 native fs (HPFS and JFS) drives is intentionally disabled.  Printing is also disabled, as is SMB (Peer and Samba) support.
So it is not really a demo that anyone can use to show how it will work because it doesn't.

I was considering using it to show some of my clients how they could upgrade but it can't even be used for that.

Also it would have been nice if those limitations were spelled out at the beginning - preferably on the download site but at least in readme on the CD.

I have to admit it is a good beta test to see if it works with some hardware but even to that end it lacks the reporting facility to make that effective.

Sorry to sound so negative but it was a real disappointment after all we have been told to expect.

Hardware / Re: Graphics card
« on: March 12, 2013, 02:52:21 pm »
I have several ATI Radeon X700 cards driving 28" monitors at 1920 x 1200 without any problems using the SDD version 3.1.8 build 505.

From what I have seen most of the PCIe ATI cards listed in the snap readme file will give that resolution and will also work with PCIe based motherboards.

Unless you have a requirement of something like HDMI output there is no need to discard the older cards.

Utilities / Re: Redirect LPT1 port
« on: March 08, 2013, 05:27:19 pm »
That sounds very similar to a setup one of my clients has.  In fact I upgraded them about a year ago with all new computers - the only requirement was that each computer had a serial port to drive the machinery.

In your case are you trying to run everything using VMs in which case I would advise against it especially if the VM is a guest on windows.

Depending on your exact setup it might be better if you looked at network printers which can be driven from OS/2 without too many problems.

Other than that, if you want to take this to a private discussion, not put company business out for all to see, then feel free to e-mail me at ivanjt at free dot fr

I tried it on a couple more machines.  On one, Asus M2N68-VM it refuses to boot at all yet when that machine is booted to WSeB I can see all the files on the CD.

My Asus M4A78LT-M boots to a desktop, the Intel Pro/1000 nic is seen and used and I can get to the internet BUT there is no way that I can do anything with the drives on the machine - every time I try to open a drive it gives a windows like message that the drive isn't formatted (they are HPFS and JFS).  As a demonstration that is useless.

I assume the failures are down to this being a beta version and will be sorted out in time for delivery of the finished product.

I do have to sat it is nice being able to see how eCS is setup to install having not seen this before as all my installs are either WSeB or Warp 4.

So far I have not had much success with it.

I burnt a CD and tried it on 5 computers here ranging from an Intel Pentium 4 powered HP to an AMD AM3 x4 processor om an ASUS M4A78LT-M board.

On 4 of the 5 it hung at some point in the boot process.  On the one that did manage to produce a desktop none of the drives were available, nor was the network or USB.

I suppose the best I can say is that it is a beta version that, in theory, should get better.

Tomorrow I will try it on some friends computers and see if it works any better.  Maybe I should also say that all the computers I tried it on are running WSeB without any problems at all.   

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: February 02, 2013, 11:34:54 am »
Maybe they, like the RPM/YUM install, could be emphasised in some way rather than being buried in with a lot of other options that most people don't look at.  An install page something like the networking page maybe?

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: February 01, 2013, 11:07:56 pm »
Thanks again Alex.

Must it be on the boot partition or can it be on another and if on another will it allow multiple boot partitions?  That is the question that must be answered!

It has been answered, repeatedly.  I don't see what the confusion is.  It can go on any partition and is entirely self-contained.

At the moment there appears to be a move towards emulating windows with everything being placed in the boot partition.  As far as I can see this is a retrograde step and should be resisted. 

Why do you seem to have this impression?  Who has ever said that it has to be on the boot drive?  It does not.

To answer the first part.  I have seen conflicting statements about where it could go and nothing definitive about it working with different boot partitions. 

Since you have a hand in the installer for eCS then I can now take it that it will work from a common partition for more than one boot drive on the same machine.

The second part is an impression I have received, maybe erroneously, from comments on various news groups and to a lesser extent here, but again I rely on your knowledge of the inner workings to show that is a wrong impression.  I do have one question though, why does an eCS install default to using %bootdrive%/programs and %bootdrive%/home?

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: January 31, 2013, 01:40:36 pm »
Likewise Doug, all my applications are on one partition and where possible the data produced is on yet another.  The boot partition has OS/2 and that is it.

So far with RPM/YUM there has been no definitive answer to how it is designed to work.  So far the answer is 'maybe' it will go on a non boot partition or 'maybe' it has to be on the boot partition.

Must it be on the boot partition or can it be on another and if on another will it allow multiple boot partitions?  That is the question that must be answered!

At the moment there appears to be a move towards emulating windows with everything being placed in the boot partition.  As far as I can see this is a retrograde step and should be resisted. 

If it ends up that it will put everything on the boot partition then we need a simple RPM unpacker that will let us get at what is in the package and put it where we want it.  In other words we will be back to the equivalent of using zip files.

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: January 30, 2013, 10:18:24 pm »
I already have rpm/yum on an alternate drive. When the new eCS comes out and I would install it on a second boot partition with rpm/yum in the same place as it is now I expect there might be problems because files would get overwritten and the database will get messed up. So I intend -not- to install rpm/yum but simply copy and paste the appropriate lines from the old config.sys to the new one.
And that appears to be the big problem - multiple OS/2 eCS boot partitions on the same machine using common applications installed on a partition that can be used by all boot versions.

Setup & Installation / Re: eCS 2.2 YUM/RPM question
« on: January 29, 2013, 01:06:05 am »
Thanks for that bit of information Alex.  When you say view them do you mean just getting a list or actually extracting them - in other words do we now have a fully functional 7z?

I have to admit that I find it rather strange that Odin would be installed using RPM/YUM or are they trying to replace warpin?

Applications / Re: Qpdf
« on: January 24, 2013, 09:29:42 pm »
Hi Silvan,

I tried it on three systems all running AMD64 processors, 1 single core, 1 2 core and the third a 4 core unit.  All have 4GB memory and WSeB, with SMP on the two multi core.

So far I have 22 QT4 apps that I use without any problems at all, open files from anywhere.  QT4 is installed in os2\apps\qt4.

Out of curiosity I tried running it on the standby server, an HP DL385 with 2 2 core AMD processors and 32GB ram running WSeB.  It locked that solid as well when I tried to open a PDF that was on a different partition.

Edit to add that it works as expected if the PDFs are on the same partition a qpdfview, generally mine are not!

Applications / Re: Qpdf
« on: January 24, 2013, 02:05:45 pm »
The big problem I find with qpdfview is that if I try and open a pdf on another partition (qpdfview installed in e:\qt4-apps, want to open pdf in f:\download) it locks the machine solid and I have to power off and then on again.

That was as much luck as anything though I did have the goal of getting 10 out for the reason that it would be supported for over a year.
The rapid release cycle made it very hard for a couple of people to keep up. Perhaps one person working on it full time would have but after Peter moved on and Mozilla switched to the release every 6 week schedule...
Mozilla has a lot of people employed developing Firefox and we've never had more then 3 or 4 since IBM moved on. And it can be tedious.
Dave, if that was luck then we must thank our lucky stars you made that decision.  The ESR branch is the most stable and much less prone to problems, so much so that I have converted all my friends to using it - even if they are using windows.

Thank you for your luck and all your hard work.

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