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Title: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: David McKenna on July 28, 2019, 02:05:21 am
Woohoo! Downloading now...
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Moritz on July 28, 2019, 12:55:14 pm
running in a timeout when trying to download  :(
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Martin Iturbide on July 28, 2019, 03:02:25 pm
Hi

It is always interesting to read the "Changelog (https://www.arcanoae.com/wp-content/uploads/wiki/ArcaOS-changes.txt)", the changes on 5.0.4 goes from 5.0.3.1 to 5.0.3.9

Regards
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Pete on July 28, 2019, 04:30:14 pm
Hi

Any mention of USB3 and non-genmac wireless drivers?


Regards

Pete
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on July 28, 2019, 04:39:48 pm
Any mention of USB3 and non-genmac wireless drivers?
No, both are not ready yet.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: ivan on July 28, 2019, 05:28:18 pm
Ryzen 3 2200G.

Update went reasonably well - an inordinate number of reboots, but...

As we are advised there are changes in the desktop.  The biggest being that everything is moved and not where I expect them to be.  The next problem is that many of my normal programs no longer run - I suspect there are some DLLs that have been changed and are no longer backwards compatible, or hopefully need switches to make them work.

Without USB3, there is no way I can test an install on modern hardware and with the breaking of normal programs I will not be recommending this to my old clients.

Networking partly works, I can get out to the internet but am cut off from my NAS storage boxes although FTP does work intermittently.

So far I have not tried to do a new install, that will be the next thing to try.
 
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: nyao on July 28, 2019, 06:22:41 pm
I do not know how to change NLV.
 firefox remains old.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Doug Bissett on July 28, 2019, 07:20:30 pm
Ivan:

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Update went reasonably well - an inordinate number of reboots, but...

It takes as many reboots, as it needs. You would never notice, if you weren't watching it.   :)

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The biggest being that everything is moved and not where I expect them to be.

They were moved to where a new install would put them. I find that to be only a small problem. It takes all of about 30 seconds to put it back the way I had it. To be honest, I really don't know why they need to do that, but I suppose it prevents problems.

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I suspect there are some DLLs that have been changed and are no longer backwards compatible, or hopefully need switches to make them work.

What do you find that is wrong? ANPM (RPM/YUM) updates the DLLs. If you have tried to bypass that, in the past, it will probably have trouble, until you redo whatever you did. I would suggest fixing your installation to use nothing but the RPM/YUM stuff. It is now the OS/2 way, whether you believe it or not.

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Networking partly works, I can get out to the internet but am cut off from my NAS storage boxes although FTP does work intermittently.

Network should work as designed. If you need special settings for NAS boxes, you will probably have to do those settings again. What do you mean by "FTP does work intermittently"? It should either work, or not.

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Without USB3, there is no way I can test an install on modern hardware and with the breaking of normal programs I will not be recommending this to my old clients.

USB 3 is closer than you might think.

No programs should break. You need to analyze what is going wrong. Be specific, and we can probably figure out what you need to do to fix the problems.

NYAO:

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I do not know how to change NLV.

NLV is not yet supported. Apparently that will come with version 5.1. I do know that a lot of the work has been done, but it is not, yet, ready.

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firefox remains old.

Yes, it is old, and I have no idea why it has not been updated to the 4.9.0 version from BWW. I understand why they don't go to the update created by Dave Yeo, since it is not a supported version, although I highly recommend it. Apparently, BWW needs more donations to get the replacement done.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Mike Kölling on July 28, 2019, 07:44:06 pm
No, I needed to manually reboot twice, because the counter went down to Zero and nothing happened. Even clicking the reboot button with the mouse didn't started the reboot process. Only C-A-D was working.
I can confirm that the icons on the WPS were scattered after the update. Some program references were gone as well.
I updated from 5.0.3 to 5.0.4 on an older single core laptop.
An update from eCS2.1 was not offered from the installer.
Greetings from Potsdam / Germany,
Mike
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: David Graser on July 28, 2019, 08:00:02 pm
The one thing I noticed is that a lot of the dlls needed to run FF 45.9, Appache Open Office, and VBox were missing from the installation.  Thanks to eCSoft/2, I was easily able to copy the necessary YUM scripts to download the necessary dlls.

As for the installation, everything went great.  Icons were where they normally are after a fresh install.   

I was wondering if the lastest fixes to XWP made it into this release?
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on July 28, 2019, 08:26:19 pm
I was wondering if the lastest fixes to XWP made it into this release?
I don't know what you mean with 'latest fixes', but I guess that the last release version is integrated. BTW: Also NewView is up-to-date.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on July 28, 2019, 08:30:19 pm
I do not know how to change NLV.
You can't and probably never will. NLV versions of ArcaOS will be available as separate installations. That is planned for 5.1. (Sorry, I've just noticed that Doug has already written that.)
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: ivan on July 28, 2019, 09:41:54 pm
Hi Doug,

I pulled up your 'fix' for libcx from an earlier thread and applied it via config.sys - now I have almost all of my programs working, one needs a little more work, it starts but then just closes.

Are there any more  'fixes' for the nixi DLLs I should know about?

The FTP problem is one that is very annoying - transferring data in bulk, several files selected for transfer, it just locks up hard, power off reset needed.

The other network problem with the NAS boxes is one that keeps on telling me that I don't have access for that network resource - no problems with networking before the update.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Doug Bissett on July 29, 2019, 04:47:09 am
David Graser:

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Some program references were gone as well

Which programs?

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An update from eCS2.1 was not offered from the installer.

No, only an earlier version of ArcaOS qualifies for an update.

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The one thing I noticed is that a lot of the dlls needed to run FF 45.9, Appache Open Office, and VBox were missing from the installation

Please report that. If the dlls were properly installed by ANPM  (RMP/YUM), they should have been updated, if required, during an update, and left there if they didn't need updates. If you tried to do it yourself, don't bother reporting the problem. You got it wrong.

FWIW, I did an update about 200 times, with no problems like that.

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I was wondering if the lastest fixes to XWP made it into this release?

The latest "official" changes are in it. A couple of others have been submitted to testing, and will probably be in the next release.

Ivan:

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I pulled up your 'fix' for libcx from an earlier thread and applied it via config.sys - now I have almost all of my programs working, one needs a little more work, it starts but then just closes.

Using that fix in CONFIG.SYS is probably not a good idea. It affects all of the programs that use LIBCX, and that can easily cause the system to run out of resources, and it apparently causes programs to use lower shared memory space, when they should use high shared memory space. If you absolutely need to use that, it is best to do it on a program basis, not for the whole system. Your program that "just closes" probably needs some other update. What happens if you try to start it from a command line?

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Are there any more  'fixes' for the nixi DLLs I should know about?

The "fix" is not really a "fix". It is a "work around" for programs that can't be updated to use the DLLs properly. If the program can be updated, it should be updated.

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The FTP problem is one that is very annoying - transferring data in bulk, several files selected for transfer, it just locks up hard, power off reset needed.

Which FTP program are you using? Are there any tracks (POPUPLOG.OS2, log files)?

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The other network problem with the NAS boxes is one that keeps on telling me that I don't have access for that network resource - no problems with networking before the update.

By "networking", I assume you mean SAMBA client. That has been updated to incorporate many security fixes, and you may need to change some settings in the server, or the client, so that they match. If you mean something else, please be specific.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: David Graser on July 29, 2019, 05:46:19 am
David Graser:

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The one thing I noticed is that a lot of the dlls needed to run FF 45.9, Appache Open Office, and VBox were missing from the installation

Please report that. If the dlls were properly installed by ANPM  (RMP/YUM), they should have been updated, if required, during an update, and left there if they didn't need updates. If you tried to do it yourself, don't bother reporting the problem. You got it wrong.

FWIW, I did an update about 200 times, with no problems like that.

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Doug I did a fresh install to another partition that I had set up weeks earlier while waiting for this release.

Some of the particular components needed for these programs were not installed during installation.  As a result, the programs would not work. YUM did not list them as installed after I downloaded the scripts from eCSoft/2 and used the scripts to install.   Once the remaining components were installed by YUM, all three programs work as expected.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Doug Bissett on July 29, 2019, 06:59:06 am
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Doug I did a fresh install to another partition that I had set up weeks earlier while waiting for this release.

Some of the particular components needed for these programs were not installed during installation.  As a result, the programs would not work. YUM did not list them as installed after I downloaded the scripts from eCSoft/2 and used the scripts to install.   Once the remaining components were installed by YUM, all three programs work as expected.

AH!, a FRESH install (sorry, I assumed an update).

Of course those components were not installed. They are not needed for ArcaOS to function. It is expected that you will install the requirements for additional programs, when you install the programs. None of the listed programs are a part of ArcaOS, so it would not make sense to install support packages for them. How could Arca Noae know that you are going to install those programs?

FWIW, ArcaOS could install every possible package, but that would probably turn into a real mess after a while (if not immediately). Best to install what you need to run a program that you are installing, when you install it.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: ivan on July 29, 2019, 11:46:44 am
Hi Doug,

I'm using jFTP v5 and there is nothing in POPUPLOG.OS2 - it worked without problems before the update.  Since you mention security updates for Samba I assume they carry over to other network programs than can use them so I will start looking there. 

Is there a list of these security updates anywhere and what one has to do to reset them for SMB client?
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: nyao on July 29, 2019, 01:09:40 pm
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NLV is not yet supported. Apparently that will come with version 5.1. I do know that a lot of the work has been done, but it is not, yet, ready.
Thank you Doug.
However, I wanted to use code page 932,850 and the Japanese keyboard layout.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on July 29, 2019, 03:53:51 pm
However, I wanted to use code page 932,850 and the Japanese keyboard layout.
I understand. For that, you need a DBCS system. For details, ask Alex Taylor or in the Bug Tracker. For changing an en to an jp system, you have to exchange many files. That was never supported by IBM, but if you figure out the differences, it should work.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Rich Walsh on July 29, 2019, 06:29:50 pm
I was wondering if the lastest fixes to XWP made it into this release?

The version in 5.0.4 is labelled v1.0.12+ and dates to April 6, 2019. It includes the fixes below. A beta of v1.0.13 will be out in a week or two containing these changes plus significant enhancements to XShutdown and the Pulse widget.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Doug Bissett on July 29, 2019, 09:49:55 pm
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I'm using jFTP v5 and there is nothing in POPUPLOG.OS2 - it worked without problems before the update

I am using jFTP v5.01 (presumably from the same place that you got v5). I have seen no problems with it. I use this, in jftp.cmd, to start it:
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java -Xmx512m -Xms32m -jar jftp-5.0.1.jarFWIW, I use jFTP to download test versions of ArcaOS, and they are near 1 GB in size. You may have problems, if something is using too much lower shared memory space.

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Since you mention security updates for Samba I assume they carry over to other network programs than can use them so I will start looking there

No. SAMBA does it's own security. Other programs do to, but I don't think there was anything added to them.

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Is there a list of these security updates anywhere and what one has to do to reset them for SMB client?

Have you read the PDF and README files, in the root of the DVD? You can mount the DVD ISO as a drive, by double clicking the ISO (change the default drive letter, if you wish), and click MOUNT.  Eject the ISO by using the REMM  widget (REmovable Media Manager - the same thing that you use to eject USB sticks), when you are finished.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: ivan on July 29, 2019, 10:27:23 pm
Thanks Doug,

I didn't have the -Xms32m in the 'parameters' of the program object, adding that appears to have fixed the problem.  Now transferring a little under 2GB to my Linux machine - going well past the point it crashed before.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Doug Bissett on July 29, 2019, 10:37:33 pm
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CPU Temperature widget: this ACPI-based widget was provided by David Azarewicz.

Note, that this only works if ACPI supplies temperature information. You can determine that if you do the ACPISTAT command. It will return something like this:
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Thermal information:
  No Thermal information is available for this computer
near the end, if it does not support it, otherwise, it will indicate that thermal information is available.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Doug Bissett on July 29, 2019, 10:46:44 pm
Thanks Doug,

I didn't have the -Xms32m in the 'parameters' of the program object, adding that appears to have fixed the problem.  Now transferring a little under 2GB to my Linux machine - going well past the point it crashed before.

It was a few years ago, when I started to need that. I don't remember exactly what the numbers mean, but I have had to add it to other JAVA programs too.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Martin Iturbide on July 30, 2019, 12:27:28 am
Hi

I still can not get ArcaOS. I asked the order page to build the ISO and I got the confirmation e-mail, but the mail link and the webpage gave me a connection timeout (The connection has timed out). Anybody else with the same problem?

Regards
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Sean Casey on July 30, 2019, 02:40:58 am
Anybody else with the same problem?

Yes, received emails for two upgrades yesterday, but haven't been able to download.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: jailbird on July 30, 2019, 05:53:14 am
Hi

I still can not get ArcaOS. I asked the order page to build the ISO and I got the confirmation e-mail, but the mail link and the webpage gave me a connection timeout (The connection has timed out). Anybody else with the same problem?

Regards

I had an issue where something was trying to upgrade the connection from http:// to https:// .  Using http:// finally worked.  https:// will timeout.  It appears that they firewall the https port (443) so instead of a quick connection failed, it just sits there...
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: André Heldoorn on July 30, 2019, 09:55:39 am
I don't remember exactly what the numbers mean, but I have had to add it to other JAVA programs too.

Not uncommon indeed. You'd find it in batch files of Rexx2Nrx (Rexx -> NetRexx (-> Java)), for example. It's the initial Java heap size, in MiB  (M=MiB).
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: André Heldoorn on July 30, 2019, 10:11:05 am
A beta of v1.0.13 will be out in a week or two containing these changes plus significant enhancements to XShutdown and the Pulse widget.
Still have to review any (lite) version first. But if XWP is responsible for giving RMB access to a DOS or OS/2 window with a folder's (e.g. C:\DESKTOP) or drive's (e.g. A:\) directory as the current directory, then there may be a translation error. My reference is eCS 1.x and eCenter, so it may be 100% irrelevant (by now) anyway.

https://www.os2world.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2111.0;attach=3948 (https://www.os2world.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2111.0;attach=3948)

In text: the title bar of the DOS window is translated correctly ("DOS-aanwijzing (venster)"), but the untranslated title bar of the OS/2 window is "Command Prompt (Windows)" instead of an OS-neutral "OS/2-aanwijzing (venster)".

This may have nothing to do with any xWP at all, if it's an OS feature of pop-up menus of WPDrive and WPFolder objects.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Sean Casey on July 30, 2019, 07:56:00 pm
Anybody else with the same problem?

Yes, received emails for two upgrades yesterday, but haven't been able to download.

Didn't have the "https" url issue, but needed to download using FF on Linux.   I was afraid the update might mung my system as I am using 386 HPFS, but the upgrade was uneventful and everything is working fine.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: David Graser on July 30, 2019, 11:27:47 pm
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Doug I did a fresh install to another partition that I had set up weeks earlier while waiting for this release.

Some of the particular components needed for these programs were not installed during installation.  As a result, the programs would not work. YUM did not list them as installed after I downloaded the scripts from eCSoft/2 and used the scripts to install.   Once the remaining components were installed by YUM, all three programs work as expected.

AH!, a FRESH install (sorry, I assumed an update).

Of course those components were not installed. They are not needed for ArcaOS to function. It is expected that you will install the requirements for additional programs, when you install the programs. None of the listed programs are a part of ArcaOS, so it would not make sense to install support packages for them. How could Arca Noae know that you are going to install those programs?

FWIW, ArcaOS could install every possible package, but that would probably turn into a real mess after a while (if not immediately). Best to install what you need to run a program that you are installing, when you install it.

Hi Doug

I agree with you.  However, what I have found is that if you install the additional prerequisites for those three programs along with what ArcaOS already installs, this covers most programs out there.  Maybe add Aspell to the list also.  So add approx. 10 more components and most software will work without further effort.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dave Yeo on July 31, 2019, 02:17:14 am
I tried to talk Louis into including the couple of prerequisites for FF45, he was pretty firm about only including prerequisites for stuff that ArcaOS includes.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: David Graser on July 31, 2019, 03:04:50 am
I tried to talk Louis into including the couple of prerequisites for FF45, he was pretty firm about only including prerequisites for stuff that ArcaOS includes.

Dave, that is a shame.  My take is that I would prefer ArcaOS support 99% of the programs out there with these few  additional prerequisites or 60% without these few additional prerequisites.  The numbers I am using are just examples.  I do know that those 12 additional prerequisites enable most programs I have downloaded to work.   Without them, one has to figure out what is missing.  These few additions do not make the system more unstable but more stable.  It reduces problems and headaches for the end users.   I agree with you and not Lewis.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Doug Bissett on July 31, 2019, 06:06:07 am
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I agree with you.  However, what I have found is that if you install the additional prerequisites for those three programs along with what ArcaOS already installs, this covers most programs out there.  Maybe add Aspell to the list also.  So add approx. 10 more components and most software will work without further effort.

While that may be true, it does require more work to package all of it, and it all needs to be tested, to be sure that it doesn't break something else. If a user installs something, and it breaks something else, that is between the package supplier (usually BWW) and the user. Arca Naoe doesn't carry the responsibility to fix it (although history has shown that they will try). They are also trying to keep the distribution file size as small as possible. While the RPM packages are usually small, it does add up after a while.

Arca Noae has made the Arca Noae Package Manager (ANPM) available to help users do what is necessary. Those who package programs (ZIP, WarpIN, whatever else) should be making it easy to simply copy the list of requirements into the Quick Install entry field, in ANPM. The same list can be used with the YUM command line, if you feel you would rather do it that way. It usually takes longer to find the list of requirements, than it does to drop that into ANPM, and have them installed.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on July 31, 2019, 08:51:00 am
I tried to talk Louis into including the couple of prerequisites for FF45, he was pretty firm about only including prerequisites for stuff that ArcaOS includes.
With AN Software Subscription the FF45 .rpm is available. (I've finally found that out and have been wondering when they make it available. My subscription expired.)

With that .rpm, one doesn't need to manually install prerequisites. An .rpm package usually checks dependencies itself. The problem is rather, that there's only the .7z available for free. Subscription costs about 40 EUR.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: André Heldoorn on July 31, 2019, 10:00:58 am
My take is that I would prefer ArcaOS support 99% of the programs out there with these few  additional prerequisites or 60% without these few additional prerequisites.  The numbers I am using are just examples.

More means more work, more errors, more updates, more problems and a.o. less control. While prerequisites of apps have nothing to do with an OS, nor is hiding disadvantages of modern apps a goal of an OS, and there is no clear line to be drawn. An OS is not a collection of apps, albeit e.g. Microsoft or selfish people may have been misleading in the past. Lords knows what a new modern browser may require, compiled by whom, and at the moment none of the extra goodies is required: I could probably switch to AOS, which will introduce more install-related problems than it'll solve (that number is one).

Perhaps a real bottom line is an usual browser, which can be used to download any usual up-to-date, more modern browser. And all of its possible overload of requirements. If anything it may be good to be faced with prerequisites of apps once in a while, to not hide possible extremes and to not expect that AN will solve your problems for free. An OS is not a collection of apps.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Mike Kölling on July 31, 2019, 10:24:35 am
With AN Software Subscription the FF45 .rpm is available.

Hi Andreas,
I do have an actual software subscription from AN, but I have no idea what is the URI to have it added to ANPM. Could you please enlighten me, because I cannot find any hint at the AN web site.
Thanks and best regards from Potsdam/Germany,
Mike
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on July 31, 2019, 12:51:52 pm
I do have an actual software subscription form AN, but I have no idea what is the URI to have it added to ANPM.
See the table at the top of the ANPM Wiki (https://www.arcanoae.com/wiki/anpm/).
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Mike Kölling on July 31, 2019, 01:31:20 pm
See the table at the top of the ANPM Wiki (https://www.arcanoae.com/wiki/anpm/).
Thanks - Danke.
Mike
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Mike Kölling on July 31, 2019, 03:08:22 pm
With AN Software Subscription the FF45 .rpm is available.

Hi Andreas,
I have subscriptions for AOS and the OS/2-eCS drivers. Based on your help I could add both repositories to ANPM. However the FF45.rpm will not be displayed. The repository for AOS is empty and the one for the driver subscription shows some packages which are not displayed in the release repository. So I assume I did it the right way to add both repositories.
I'd like to ask you where did you see the FF45.rpm?
Greetings from Potsdam/Germany,
Mike
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: David Graser on July 31, 2019, 10:29:26 pm
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I agree with you.  However, what I have found is that if you install the additional prerequisites for those three programs along with what ArcaOS already installs, this covers most programs out there.  Maybe add Aspell to the list also.  So add approx. 10 more components and most software will work without further effort.

While that may be true, it does require more work to package all of it, and it all needs to be tested, to be sure that it doesn't break something else.


OK, I have one suggestion which does not break anything.  Add the eCSoft/2 home web site to Web sites under the Network\Web sites\OS/2 software and development folder.  This site is a life saver for it contains everything one may be looking for and the wherefore to get it working properly.  This site and OS/2 World are two indispensable web sites.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on August 01, 2019, 01:46:20 am
With AN Software Subscription the FF45 .rpm is available.
I have subscriptions for AOS and the OS/2-eCS drivers. Based on your help I could add both repositories to ANPM. However the FF45.rpm will not be displayed. The repository for AOS is empty and the one for the driver subscription shows some packages which are not displayed in the release repository. So I assume I did it the right way to add both repositories.
I'd like to ask you where did you see the FF45.rpm?
My subscription expired, so I haven't seen the .rpm. I assumed that it must be in one of the repositories that require authentication: arcanoae-arcaos or arcanoae-sub. I see 9 items in arcanoae-sub and nothing in arcanoae-arcaos. Therefore I thought that with subscription, one sees more items.

I seem to remember that people (distributers) wrote about the .rpm. Those texts may be published too early. So, either that explains why people are upset about the unavailabilty of the .rpm or you have an access problem. I would like to know which one applies here.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dave Yeo on August 01, 2019, 04:34:56 pm
IIRC, it is/was in arcanoae-exp. Not sure who has access to that.
Arca Noae paid for the rpm, which is why it is not broadly available, especially since they weren't happy with the port and didn't include it in ArcaOS.
Ideally I should be packaging my builds as RPMs, just haven't been motivated to learn how, as well as Mozilla apps likely needing a complex recipe to package.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Mike Kölling on August 01, 2019, 05:47:41 pm
Ideally I should be packaging my builds as RPMs, just haven't been motivated to learn how, as well as Mozilla apps likely needing a complex recipe to package.

Hi Dave
No big issue for me. I use your "firefox-45.9.0.en-US.os2-i686-Sua2.zip" and it runs quite well. Thanks a lot for this build.
Greetings from Potsdam/Germany,
Mike
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andi B. on August 01, 2019, 07:59:09 pm
yum list firefo* shows me -
firefox.i686                          45.9.0-2.oc00                 arcanoae-exp
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Mike Kölling on August 01, 2019, 08:52:40 pm
yum list firefo* shows me -
firefox.i686                          45.9.0-2.oc00                 arcanoae-exp
Not for me. Please see attached screen shot.
Mike


Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Andi B. on August 01, 2019, 08:56:06 pm
Unauthorized - sounds like you're not authorized. Please don't ask why I'm authorized. I can't remember how I set it up anymore. Seems it was long ago. Is there nothing about in the AN wiki?
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dave Yeo on August 02, 2019, 12:57:39 am
I think only the testers got authorization (password) back when the repository was setup.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dariusz Piatkowski on August 04, 2019, 06:04:05 pm
I think only the testers got authorization (password) back when the repository was setup.

...may have been at some point in time, although doing this check today shows the earlier 45.9.0-1.oc00 release available in their REL repo as well, which means it should be readily accessible by all who have a current and active subscription:

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[G:\mptn\etc\samba]yum list firefo*
Loaded plugins: changelog, downloadonly, ps, replace, verify
arcanoae-rel         | 1.9 kB  00:00
arcanoae-rel/primary |  13 kB  00:00
local                |  951 B  00:00
netlabs-exp          | 2.9 kB  00:00
netlabs-rel          | 2.9 kB  00:00
Installed Packages
firefox-highmem.pentium4                45.9.0-1.oc00                installed

Available Packages
firefox-highmem.i686                    45.9.0-1.oc00                netlabs-rel

So maybe the issue is that the latest 45.9.0-2.oc00 has not been released?
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Mike Kölling on August 04, 2019, 06:15:46 pm
...may have been at some point in time, although doing this check today shows the earlier 45.9.0-1.oc00 release available in their REL repo as well, which means it should be readily accessible by all who have a current and active subscription:

So maybe the issue is that the latest 45.9.0-2.oc00 has not been released?

No it's not. Yum List firefo* now show the following - see GRAB1101.jpg.
(http://GRAB1101.jpg)
And in ANPM you get the following information - see GRAB1102.jpg.
And the content of the readme is:
"Load Firefox 45.9.9 DLLs high
This package uses the highmem utility to mark Firefox DLLs as high loadable.
This saves 60MB in the lower shared memory arena."

Greetings from Potsdam/Germany,
Mike
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dariusz Piatkowski on August 05, 2019, 05:36:49 am
Hey Mike!

...So maybe the issue is that the latest 45.9.0-2.oc00 has not been released?

No it's not. Yum List firefo* now show the following - see GRAB1101.jpg...

Oh boy, you are right and I totally missed the fact that the original question/issue was with the firefox core as opposed to firefox-highmem package.

the firefox-highmem is the only firefox package I see, the other one is not showing here either.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dave Yeo on August 05, 2019, 06:08:18 am
Here, I get,
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[H:\tmp]yum list firefo*
Installed Packages
firefox.i686                         45.9.0-2.oc00                 @arcanoae-exp

firefox-highmem.i686                 45.9.0-1.oc00                 @netlabs-exp
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dariusz Piatkowski on August 05, 2019, 09:02:10 pm
Here, I get,
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[H:\tmp]yum list firefo*
Installed Packages
firefox.i686                         45.9.0-2.oc00                 @arcanoae-exp

firefox-highmem.i686                 45.9.0-1.oc00                 @netlabs-exp

grrrhhh...LOL, so just when I thought my RPM/YUM was finally working it goes awry!!!

Well, could be just an ID10T error, but it would appear the CLI 'yum list firefo*' produces a different result than my GUI ANPM does.

1) CLI:
Installed Packages
firefox-highmem.pentium4                45.9.0-1.oc00                installed
Available Packages
firefox-highmem.i686                    45.9.0-1.oc00                netlabs-rel

2) ANPM: (by selectively looking at all AVAILABLE packages in the arcanoae-exp repo)
Shows the firefox 45.9.0-2 in arcanoae-exp

Even then the above is somewhat inconsistent within ANPM itself, b/c when using the SEARCH function only the i686 version of firefox/firefox-debuginfo/firefox-highmem 45.9.0-1 come back.

Anyways, that's a different discussion though. One way or another, I am able to see 45.9.0-2, so maybe Andreas or Mike you guys are running into something similar to the above behaviour when searching for the packages?
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dave Yeo on August 05, 2019, 10:22:09 pm
Don't forget that ANPM can do its own authorization thing so the cmd line YUM won't see it if not installed.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Tuure Linden on August 27, 2019, 08:52:02 pm
I have tried to re-download my copy for several days but download.arcanoae.com doesn't respond. Well, I already found my misplaced USB stick but hopefully possible download issues will be fixed before the next major update.

It's nice to see the progress made and I'm looking forward for the next release. It's a mystery why they still don't ship newer version of Firefox because 38 generation is very outdated and even unstable. But Arca Noae has made a huge amount of work in a short period of time because they have based all on IBM's last release and not eComstation. So they have had to redo much work that eComstation people had already done before.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Dave Yeo on August 28, 2019, 02:22:08 am
Timing can be everything with download.arcanoae.com, seems there are regular reboots.
I see the newer browsers are being considered for 5.0.5. Seems that Lewis has found the newer browsers unstable while the 38ESR based ones are stable for him. I think you're the only one that has complained about 38 being unstable.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Ian Manners on August 28, 2019, 06:01:04 am
The only differences I remember between the 38.x and 45.x versions are:-

45.x
Can restart the browser more times before it clags
Displays more websites without problems
Is a lot faster (possibly only the compile options)
The unseen parts - security updates.
(added - I've had no stability problems with Dave's build which I've been using since he released them, however all my DLL's etc are manually updated.)

38.x
A lot slower to startup but as long as you opened it once and do not restart it, apart from the occasional website based problems it ran well.

I'm using Linux more and more though as there are many Australian Gov/University/Banking and other websites like Google Apps that no longer accept Firefox v45.x - it's the lack of updated javascript that seems to be the problem.

Though to be fair I'm also finding several websites that no longer seem to work with the latest Firefox under Linux, they seem to only work properly with Chrome which is a pain. My wife is also having problems with more websites using the latest Firefox on her Mac, she prefers Seamonkey because that is what she uses for email but she knows she will have to change to something else as it's getting to hard.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: Tuure Linden on August 28, 2019, 06:18:47 am
Bryan Lunduke also found 38 version of Firefox being very unstable when he made his video about ArcaOS. And the OS/2 port seemed to be more unstable than the Linux one. The 45 version is also more compatible with Youtube and doesn't have the full screen bug when playing videos.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: André Heldoorn on August 28, 2019, 03:37:04 pm
My wife is also having problems with more websites using the latest Firefox on her Mac, she prefers Seamonkey because that is what she uses for email but she knows she will have to change to something else as it's getting to hard.
Getting used to Thunderbird and a browser may help, because e-mail will be less demanding than "modern" websites. Nevertheless it does sounds like Firefox is becoming a victim of its own "Agile" software development methods. Too many (irrelevant) changes, while not keeping the whole community in mind. I'm still using Firefox for Windows, but only because I'm not busy looking for a replacement and I'd like to avoid Apple's, Google's, Facebook's and Microsoft's.

Here FF 38 is better, but an OS shouldn't be a collection of apps. If you can download FF 45 with FF 38, then that's enough. ISTR FF 38 works better with older hardware, FWIW, due to changes of Firefox, but of course you'll be forced to upgrade so the discussion will bcome less relevant.

I'm not sure if Microsoft Edge should be a subject of an OS review video, if there are alternative apps. I'd rate and review browsers as apps which can be replaced; not as OS components. Even embedded, illegal browsers.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: ivan on August 28, 2019, 05:07:04 pm
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ISTR FF 38 works better with older hardware,

Just an addition.  It runs very well on my AMD Ryzen based computers both with ArcOS and Zorin Linux.

Some of the stupidity I'm seeing with the browsers is very reminiscent of Microsoft's war against Netscape but now it looks like Google Chrome has some 'oddities' that web designers are using to the detriment of other browsers.

Edit: I should have added that I also use FF 60.8.0 esr on the Linux computers as well.
Title: Re: ArcaOS 5.0.4 is out!
Post by: André Heldoorn on August 28, 2019, 07:46:57 pm
With FF 45 (actually SM) one simple looking website couldn't be loaded anymore, due to a "configuration error" of the website. But they were kind enough to undo a security-update, so now it works again.