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Title: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Eirik Romstad on March 26, 2014, 09:21:39 pm
Thanks to Doug Bissett for providing the WarpIn installers for WarpIn installers for SeaMonkey 2.14, Thunderbird 17.0.11, Firefox 17.0.5 beta2.  Works wonderfully once I manually installs glib2 (see the readme in any of the applications) under eCS 2.1. 

I do not use SeaMonkey, but the latest versions (17esr) of Thunderbird and Firefox work excellent.  I was a bit concerned about Firefox, given it is still a beta2, but with 12esr having some shortcomings, I decided to upgrade Firefox as well.  Glad I did: fast, reliable, and Flash and Java (via IcedTea) also work well.  Hence, also thanks to the Bitwise team, Dave Yeo, and Flash and IcedTea developers.  eCS is alive and kicking.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 27, 2014, 03:40:20 am
Couple of points. Thunderbird 17.0.11 and SeaMonkey 2.14 are at basically the same level as Firefox 17.0.5ESR as they are all built on the Bitwiise port of Gecko 17 though SM and TB do have 5 releases of security fixes that FF doesn't.
Also I made a mistake when building SM and TB, namely disabling OOP (out of process plugins).
Anyone using these with Flash installed needs to add a config by using the about:config URL.
On SM, enter about:config in the URL bar, click yes to the warranty message to get to the config editor.
On TB,  Open Options-->Advanced-->General and click Config Editor to get there
Then right click on a blank area and choose New-->Boolean and enter "dom.ipc.plugins.enabled.npflos2.dll" without the quotes, then choose False.
I'll probably fix this this weekend.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Barbara on March 27, 2014, 06:29:21 am
Thanks dave, in fact before this setting plugin-container was using the cpu at 100%, making the browser unusable  ;D
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Boris on March 27, 2014, 07:00:04 pm
Also I made a mistake when building SM and TB, namely disabling OOP (out of process plugins).
Anyone using these with Flash installed needs to add a config by using the about:config URL.

I thought bww bitwise works GmbH didn't actually make OOP working.
You've mentioned SM and TB, but does OOP work in Firefox?
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 28, 2014, 04:57:07 am
Also I made a mistake when building SM and TB, namely disabling OOP (out of process plugins).
Anyone using these with Flash installed needs to add a config by using the about:config URL.

I thought bww bitwise works GmbH didn't actually make OOP working.
You've mentioned SM and TB, but does OOP work in Firefox?

There are bugs related to MMPM and I think I might have missed something else. I get 100% CPU with SM using up one core and plugin-container.exe using the other core.
You can test by going to about:config and changing the referenced preference to true and then visiting a site with Flash.
It's surprising how many sites use Flash.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 28, 2014, 05:10:28 am
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I was a bit concerned about Firefox, given it is still a beta2

Well, TB and SM are even more beta, but they all seem to work pretty well.

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Also I made a mistake when building SM and TB, namely disabling OOP (out of process plugins).

I fixed the ZIP files, and recreated the WPI files, with the fix:

ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/SEAMONKEY-2.14.1.EN-US.OS2.zip (ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/SEAMONKEY-2.14.1.EN-US.OS2.zip)

ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/Seamonkey-2-14-1-esr.wpi (ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/Seamonkey-2-14-1-esr.wpi)

ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/THUNDERBIRD-17.0.11ESRPRE1.EN-US.OS2.zip (ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/THUNDERBIRD-17.0.11ESRPRE1.EN-US.OS2.zip)

ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/Thunderbird-17-0-11ESRPRE1-esr.wpi (ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/Thunderbird-17-0-11ESRPRE1-esr.wpi)

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You've mentioned SM and TB, but does OOP work in Firefox?

Firefox already has the fix to disable OOP.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Boris on March 28, 2014, 04:02:21 pm
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Also I made a mistake when building SM and TB, namely disabling OOP (out of process plugins).

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Firefox already has the fix to disable OOP.

That doesn't seem to make much sense.

Is the build parameter intended to be switched of or on? Why?

Couldn't you please clarify the thing for me?
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 28, 2014, 04:51:08 pm
From what I know, OOP has a problem with something in OS/2. The current way to bypass the problem is to add the setting, that Dave mentioned, in ABOUT:CONFIG. OOP is supposed to get fixed, eventually, and the setting will get turned to true. All of the Mozilla derivatives are affected.

Dave forgot to make the change that turns off OOP, when he built Thunderbird, and Seamonkey. I added the temporary fix, and uploaded new install files. It was not necessary to change Firefox, because it already had the temporary fix.

I hope that clarifies the situation.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 28, 2014, 06:20:18 pm
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Also I made a mistake when building SM and TB, namely disabling OOP (out of process plugins).

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Firefox already has the fix to disable OOP.

That doesn't seem to make much sense.

Is the build parameter intended to be switched of or on? Why?

Couldn't you please clarify the thing for me?

OOP is built but as it is buggy it is turned off with a preference. Easiest to add the preference to prefs.js (or the equivalent for SM and TB but as I posted, you can add it manually and toggle it if curious.
Between FF4 and FF10 we completely disabled it in the build process as it needed porting.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Boris on March 28, 2014, 07:39:29 pm
From what I know, OOP has a problem with something in OS/2. The current way to bypass the problem is to add the setting, that Dave mentioned, in ABOUT:CONFIG. OOP is supposed to get fixed, eventually, and the setting will get turned to true. All of the Mozilla derivatives are affected.

Dave forgot to make the change that turns off OOP, when he built Thunderbird, and Seamonkey. I added the temporary fix, and uploaded new install files. It was not necessary to change Firefox, because it already had the temporary fix.

I hope that clarifies the situation.
Do you mean 'set turned off by default' by 'temporary fix'?
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 28, 2014, 07:49:14 pm
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Do you mean 'set turned off by default' by 'temporary fix'?

Yes.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 29, 2014, 04:04:24 am
Updated ZIP and WPI versions of the previous Mozilla programs have been uploaded to HOBBES.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 29, 2014, 05:49:15 am
Updated ZIP and WPI versions of the previous Mozilla programs have been uploaded to HOBBES.

These have a fix for the crash when printing without a printer installed and are more aggressive at using high memory. I find them having much improved memory handling on JavaScript heavy sites.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 29, 2014, 05:59:31 am
They are all at netlabs too.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 29, 2014, 06:16:48 am
While on the subject, there is also a newer freetyp2.dll available at https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_12-21-13%5B2.5.2%5D.zip (https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_12-21-13%5B2.5.2%5D.zip). I'll be making 2.5.3 available as soon as I get around to it as well.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Boris on March 29, 2014, 12:41:00 pm
So where can I always get the latest build by Dave? Hobbes? Bitbucket (didn't find FF there)?
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Andreas Schnellbacher on March 29, 2014, 04:18:54 pm
So where can I always get the latest build by Dave? Hobbes? Bitbucket (didn't find FF there)?

Dave has built SeaMonkey, Thunderbird and Lightning. He has uploaded it to ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/ (http://ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/).

Bitwise Works has built Firefox. For announcements see https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/releases/ (https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/releases/).

Andreas
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Boris on March 29, 2014, 05:21:25 pm
So where can I always get the latest build by Dave? Hobbes? Bitbucket (didn't find FF there)?

Dave has bulit SeaMonkey, Thunderbird and Lightning. He has uploaded it to ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/ (http://ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/).

Bitwise Works has built Firefox. For announcements see https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/releases/ (https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/releases/).

Andreas

Can't see Lightning for Thunderbird 17.

Also it seems that Dave also built Firefox, too, because he says that his build is more aggressive at using high memory (which I wanna try very much).
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 29, 2014, 05:40:41 pm
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Also it seems that Dave also built Firefox, too, because he says that his build is more aggressive at using high memory (which I wanna try very much).

That is the 10.0.12 version, release 2. The rest of the new releases are of the same vintage.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 29, 2014, 05:57:02 pm
So where can I always get the latest build by Dave? Hobbes? Bitbucket (didn't find FF there)?

Dave has bulit SeaMonkey, Thunderbird and Lightning. He has uploaded it to ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/ (http://ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/).

Bitwise Works has built Firefox. For announcements see https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/releases/ (https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/releases/).

Andreas

Can't see Lightning for Thunderbird 17.

Lightning will work for both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird. I'll be rebuilding it soon as some of the icons need converting to OS/2 format.
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Also it seems that Dave also built Firefox, too, because he says that his build is more aggressive at using high memory (which I wanna try very much).

While I have Firefox 17.0.11 installed locally, I don't plan on sharing it and stepping on the toes of Bitwise as they're doing the development and people should be using their release for bug reporting purposes.
I'm not really a developer and for SM and TB all I really did was some build fixes and I was to lazy to find why my first builds crashed due to using up all the shared memory so I took a shortcut which seems to have helped more then expected.
If anyone experiences crashes etc with my builds, they should first test with the Bitwise build of FF and if it has the same problem, report to them.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Boris on March 29, 2014, 07:05:03 pm
Dave, so you can't improve bitwise's FF17 the same way you did with FF10? I mean more aggressive use of highmem?

That's very important -- reducing the use of low memory, really.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 29, 2014, 07:32:45 pm
At this point the Bitwise build seems to work pretty good and much the same as my build and I don't think it would be a good idea to have 2 different versions of Firefox floating around. They're the ones who'll be fixing most bugs and I don't want to introduce any subtle problems that are caused by things like different build environments.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Boris on March 29, 2014, 07:51:38 pm
Dave, the build works pretty bad. Although it even doesn't crash too often (while a lot people say it does), the biggest problem is that it fucks up the shared memory arena and I can't run programs even after I close FF (sic!), also it doesn't free memory at all -- closing tabs doesn't increase the amount of free memory in the system. Also when I open tabs back again, it eats even more memory, so that's literally a memory-waste-machine.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 29, 2014, 08:22:03 pm
You could open an issue at github and ask for them to do a new build with -Zhigh-mem added to the enable-optimize flags.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 29, 2014, 10:09:52 pm
Dave, the build works pretty bad. Although it even doesn't crash too often (while a lot people say it does), the biggest problem is that it <censored> up the shared memory arena and I can't run programs even after I close FF (sic!), also it doesn't free memory at all -- closing tabs doesn't increase the amount of free memory in the system. Also when I open tabs back again, it eats even more memory, so that's literally a memory-waste-machine.

Strange. I just did a quick test with FF 17.0.5 beta2 (which works well, for me). I don't see low memory usage change, at all, after starting the program. Shared high memory doesn't change, just by opening tabs. It does go down a bit when those tabs are populated. I didn't see the memory returned until I closed FF. There is, of course, some memory that doesn't get returned, but that seems to be normal for most programs.

FWIW, the worst shared memory eater, that I have seen, is CLAMD.EXE, and it gets worse with every database update. I had to quit using that more than a year ago. Since then, I have had no trouble with shared memory.

One thing, that seems to help with shared memory space, is to have the line
dllbasing=off
near the top of your CONFIG.SYS. That allows OS/2 to make better use of shared memory, at the expense of a very slight decline in performance (not noticeable, unless you are still using a 486 SX processor).
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Boris on March 30, 2014, 12:43:03 am
Doug,

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There is, of course, some memory that doesn't get returned
Some? No memory gets returned.

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One thing, that seems to help with shared memory space, is to have the line
dllbasing=off
If it's so good, why isn't it included in config.sys of eCS 2.1?



Dave,

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You could open an issue at github
Opened, issue #55 (https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/issues/55)

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ask for them to do a new build with -Zhigh-mem added to the enable-optimize flags.
It builds with -Zhigh-mem already.

And I suppose FF10 builds with -Zhigh-mem, too.

Is the -Zhigh-mem flag what you mean by "more aggressive use of high memory"? I mean, is this your fix?
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 30, 2014, 03:01:24 am
Yes. Configure is supposed to set -Zhigh-mem everywhere but it wasn't working on SeaMonkey so I added it to LDFLAGS first which helped a lot, then realized that adding it to the optimize flags was an easier workaround. I then tested on 10esr doing the same thing and had a large improvement, especially with JavaScript. I assume that the stock build was not adding it everywhere it should and I was too lazy to look through all the makefiles to check where the problem was.
Note that from my limited testing FF17.0.5 seems to correctly set the high memory stuff.
As usual your mileage will vary but especially with SM2.7.x I saw a huge improvement.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: guzzi on March 30, 2014, 03:07:46 am
Yes. Configure is supposed to set -Zhigh-mem everywhere but it wasn't working on SeaMonkey so I added it to LDFLAGS first which helped a lot, then realized that adding it to the optimize flags was an easier workaround.

Does that do the same as what I did by flagging dll's to load high with highmem.exe?
Shared memory usage is very low here, and memory does return for the most part after closing firefox.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 30, 2014, 03:40:41 am
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Some? No memory gets returned.

Well, most of it gets returned on my systems. The small amount that doesn't, could be some other program using more memory. I didn't look to account for every byte.

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If it's so good, why isn't it included in config.sys of eCS 2.1?

You will have to ask Roderick Klein about that. He has been told, more than once. It is an easy thing to add, and it seems to be the most effective way to improve shared memory usage, with minimal impact. The eComStation Kernel tool (in system setup) will add it to CONFIG.SYS.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 30, 2014, 05:08:07 am
Yes. Configure is supposed to set -Zhigh-mem everywhere but it wasn't working on SeaMonkey so I added it to LDFLAGS first which helped a lot, then realized that adding it to the optimize flags was an easier workaround.

Does that do the same as what I did by flagging dll's to load high with highmem.exe?
Shared memory usage is very low here, and memory does return for the most part after closing firefox.

It mallocs high memory if possible and seems to be more effective. My first builds of SM2.14 were using hundreds of MBs of shared memory and crashing. I flagged everything to use high memory and it didn't really help. Forcing -Zhigh-mem everywhere helped amazingly well so I rebuilt SM2.7.2.12 and it was also much better.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 30, 2014, 09:10:11 am
While on the subject, there is also a newer freetyp2.dll available at https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_12-21-13%5B2.5.2%5D.zip (https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_12-21-13%5B2.5.2%5D.zip). I'll be making 2.5.3 available as soon as I get around to it as well.

https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_29-03-14%5B2.5.3%5D.zip (https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_29-03-14%5B2.5.3%5D.zip) available now. Only lightly tested but don't expect any problems.
Doug will probably build a WPI later.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on March 31, 2014, 06:16:27 am
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Doug will probably build a WPI later.

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/incoming/mzfntcfgft_runtime-2-5-3.wpi (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/incoming/mzfntcfgft_runtime-2-5-3.wpi)
or
ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/MZFNTCFGFT_RUNTIME-2-5-3.wpi (ftp://ftp.netlabs.org/incoming/mozilla/MZFNTCFGFT_RUNTIME-2-5-3.wpi)
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on March 31, 2014, 06:28:39 am

https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_29-03-14%5B2.5.3%5D.zip (https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_29-03-14%5B2.5.3%5D.zip) available now. Only lightly tested but don't expect any problems.
Doug will probably build a WPI later.

Renamed to https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_29-03-14-2.5.3.zip (https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/mzfntcfgft/downloads/freetyp2_29-03-14-2.5.3.zip) to keep WPS aware archivers happy.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Doug Bissett on April 02, 2014, 08:03:36 am
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http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/incoming/mzfntcfgft_runtime-2-5-3.wpi (http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/incoming/mzfntcfgft_runtime-2-5-3.wpi)

It looks like something went wrong when this was moved out of HOBBES incoming. The new file disappeared, and the old file was retained. I Have uploaded it again.
Title: Re: Mozilla Warpin installers + applications
Post by: Dave Yeo on April 02, 2014, 08:11:23 am
Why replace the old file? They're API compatible and it is good to have multiple versions around to check for regressions. So far the minimum requirement is any mzfntcfgft runtime package as well as the standalone DLLs