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Title: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: BigGoofyGuy on April 21, 2014, 05:25:04 pm
http://www.os2world.com/past-news/79-general/20272-os-2-for-mobile-users (http://www.os2world.com/past-news/79-general/20272-os-2-for-mobile-users)
I find this to be quite interesting. I think it would be neat to use eCS on a tablet computer or perhaps a cell phone? or even a phablet?  8) I will be checking out the links in the article.
 8)
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: ivan on April 21, 2014, 06:44:47 pm
Tom, the big problem with that the device has to be x86 processor powered.  There is NO way that OS/2 or eCS will run on ARM based units - that is unless some people get together and rewrite an awful lot of code.
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: Boris on April 21, 2014, 08:28:41 pm
Eugene usually posts some cr*p to the news. But I agree trying to run OS/2 on an x86-based tabled PC (like Asus Transformer or Microsoft Surface Pro) may be an interesting experiment, if you manage to deal with UEFI using something like a generic UEFI-bootloader providing BIOS emulation (if there is something like that, and if it runs on a given portable PC). An interesting question would also be the video...
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: Silvan Scherrer on April 22, 2014, 12:43:47 pm
Dropbox client is available as beta. GA should be coming very soon now.

If you have a urgent need, ask me :)
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
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Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: Martin Iturbide on April 22, 2014, 06:58:19 pm
Hi.

I don't think that is necessary to critize Eugene for what he does, we all know what he posts and it is not necessary to go into that topic again.

But I think that the general discussion about OS/2-eCS on mobile (tablets and phones) is interesting:

1) We require a tablet/phone that is complete compatible with x86 architecture (not ARM)
2) If it has a UEFI BIOS it needs to have compatibility mode with legacy BIOS.
3) We don't have bluetooth support, which is a basic thing on how mobile devices connect to other devices.
4) The GUI is not optimized for touch screen devices. We will need to use a mouse and keyboard which breaks a little bit the concept of a tablet/phone.
  - 4.1) We don't have a touch screen driver with support of "finger swipe" or "multifinger support".

uhm.... I sure there are a lot of other issues.
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: Martin Iturbide on April 22, 2014, 07:23:51 pm
Changing the subject a little bit.

Just as a thought I had been trying to find some kind of open source "application launcher" (just something that takes the full screen desktop and put some icons and allow it to re-arrange it) that is GUI is tablet/phone friendly.

For example:
- Windows 8 has that Metro thing that it is not open source.
- Android has its Launcher, but it run over Android to run Android apps.
- Lenovo used to have a software called "SimpleTap" (discontinued) that was a launcher over Win7 to have  a more touch screen friendly GUI.  This application used to have support for some HTML applications.  (Check screenshot) (...also Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khb5jPvtLgQ#t=20)).

Do you know any other open source "application launchers"?

It will be interesting to try to evaluate some of that to try to port them OS/2-eCS. Maybe there is a Qt4 launcher that looks good.

Regards
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: ivan on April 22, 2014, 09:32:48 pm
Martin we already have something that will do that - warpcenter.  The only difference is that it is either at the bottom or top of the screen.

I use it to launch all the common programs from Describe through various file managers to a standard set of utilities. 
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: adam on April 23, 2014, 12:00:44 am
The toolbar that has been there since Warp 3 is often overlooked and I think is still quite useful even today. It has a lot of customization and where it may not have some of the graphical fair that some of the other ones out there have it does have some features that other ones in other oses are just now adding or still do not have. If can make a person quite productive on the desktop. I make copies of the desktop icons and place them on the toolbar and then hide them from view on the desktop on the demo cd. I don't care about no bubble help for things since I just turn on the "Text on Drawers"  feature and works great.  I put all the program icons directly in the Programs folder; give it the same background as the desktop; assign a shortcut to it like "ALT-P" ; hide the menu for that window and have it opened maximized. It works for me but once again it might not have some of the small graphical flair that others have to have.
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: Boris on April 23, 2014, 01:49:36 pm
I make copies of the desktop icons and place them on the toolbar and then hide them from view on the desktop on the demo cd. I don't care about no bubble help for things since I just turn on the "Text on Drawers"  feature and works great.  I put all the program icons directly in the Programs folder; give it the same background as the desktop; assign a shortcut to it like "ALT-P" ; hide the menu for that window and have it opened maximized. It works for me but once again it might not have some of the small graphical flair that others have to have.

Sorry, didn't get it.
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: Martin Iturbide on April 23, 2014, 02:45:50 pm
Thanks for the replies.

WarpCenter and Launchpad may fall in the category of "application Launcher". But I'm looking for something that is full screen and that can also be a framework to run some specific apps (HTML or HTML5 for example). For example Win8 metro is not comparable to WarpCenter, Metro is a full screen app launcher and also has a proprietary way to build application for it. It does not have to run on OS/2 necessarily, I just want to see which does the other platforms has and if there is something comparable open source.

The final idea/question behind this question is, what will help OS/2 to have a more "touch screen" friendly GUI?

Regards
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: BigGoofyGuy on April 23, 2014, 03:42:26 pm
Hi.

......

But I think that the general discussion about OS/2-eCS on mobile (tablets and phones) is interesting:

1) We require a tablet/phone that is complete compatible with x86 architecture (not ARM)
2) If it has a UEFI BIOS it needs to have compatibility mode with legacy BIOS.
3) We don't have bluetooth support, which is a basic thing on how mobile devices connect to other devices.
4) The GUI is not optimized for touch screen devices. We will need to use a mouse and keyboard which breaks a little bit the concept of a tablet/phone.
  - 4.1) We don't have a touch screen driver with support of "finger swipe" or "multifinger support".

uhm.... I sure there are a lot of other issues.

I looked it up about x86 phones. It seems there were some that was suppose to use x86 instead of Arm.
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Leaves+Door+Open+to+x86+Windows+Phones+Teases+at+22+nm+Merrifield/article24864.htm (http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Leaves+Door+Open+to+x86+Windows+Phones+Teases+at+22+nm+Merrifield/article24864.htm)
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1260222 (http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1260222)
I think it would be cool to have eCS on a smart phone, making it - IMO - even smarter.  8)

It seems there was suppose to be tablet computers that had x86.
http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/intel-unveils-x86-based-tablet-computers/ (http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/intel-unveils-x86-based-tablet-computers/)
http://www.infoworld.com/d/computer-hardware/amd-sticking-x86-tablets-472 (http://www.infoworld.com/d/computer-hardware/amd-sticking-x86-tablets-472)

I am looking for more current information.  8)
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: BigGoofyGuy on April 23, 2014, 03:51:47 pm
http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Search?SearchFacets=category:Tablet (http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Search?SearchFacets=category:Tablet)
Here are some tablet computers that use AMD as the CPU.
(http://pricing27.eclerx.com/tablet/9S7-N0E111-224_m.jpg)
Perhaps the question would be how would one install eCS onto it? Perhaps if one used an USB keyboard and mouse, one could install eCS onto it?  8)
Title: Re: eCS for mobile users?
Post by: adam on April 23, 2014, 04:45:37 pm
This is what I was talking about:

http://www.os2world.com/forum/index.php/topic,346.0.html

I didn't setup a Application Launcher window in this one but I have done it before.
Title: AMD launches Beema, Mullins chips for low power tablets and notebooks
Post by: BigGoofyGuy on April 29, 2014, 04:00:28 pm
http://liliputing.com/2014/04/amd-launches-beema-mullins-chips-low-power-tablets-notebooks.html (http://liliputing.com/2014/04/amd-launches-beema-mullins-chips-low-power-tablets-notebooks.html)
It seems AMD is making cpu's / chips for low power tablets and notebooks.  8)
(http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/amd-mobile.jpg)
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/next-generation-mobile-2014apr29.aspx (http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/next-generation-mobile-2014apr29.aspx)
'These new mobile APUs feature up to four newly-designed x86 CPU cores with updated'
It seems it is X86.  8)
Title: Mullins chip may halt string of AMD tablet failures
Post by: BigGoofyGuy on April 30, 2014, 02:43:54 am
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247977/Mullins_chip_may_halt_string_of_AMD_tablet_failures?source=CTWNLE_nlt_dailyam_2014-04-29 (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247977/Mullins_chip_may_halt_string_of_AMD_tablet_failures?source=CTWNLE_nlt_dailyam_2014-04-29)
I would hate for something labeled 'Mullins' being a non-success.  ::)