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Applications / Re: Odin on Warp 4.52 virtualbox
« on: January 21, 2020, 01:30:10 am »

I have attached a zip file with a couple of small simple Win32 apps you can use to test ODIN. They are in Unzip them into a directory, and run them with PE.EXE, e.g.



I have also attached ODINZPP.ZIP, which contains the HELLOWORLD.EXE I mentioned.  It has been a while since I installed ODIN, so I went back and found the app and ran it on my machine.
ODINAPP.ZIP is actually designed to distribute some microsoft DLLs that cannot be distributed without an application - hence the HELLOWORLD.EXE app. The zip package contains the app and the DLLs, and an installation program. If you can run the installation program then ODIN is working, since the install program (SETUP.EXE) is  a WIN32 program.

The problem I had in running HELLOWORLD.EXE is it doesn't run very well. Sometimes it starts but nothing shows up - the main window is invisible. I had to restart the desktop in order to get the window to display.

I installed the debug version using ANPM in order to see if I could get the same output I remember getting before. I haven't tracked that down yet - but I will post when I conclude that attempt.  I did notice that both the "normal" version of ODIN and the debug version are available through RPM/ANPM.  As you know the regular version is libodin.386 and the debug is odin-debuginfo.i686  (I don't see the libodin.i386 in the list of available packages on ANPM - but it does show up with a YUM LIST *ODIN*    I don't know it I am missing it in the list or there is a bug in the ANPM GUI.

Just ran across a video which shows alternatives to Windows and Mac - and includes ArcaOS in the list

Applications / Re: Odin on Warp 4.52 virtualbox
« on: January 12, 2020, 12:23:27 am »

I assume you have run the ODIN/Win32 HELLOWORLD.exe program to test that ODIN is running - or in this case not running - and are still getting the message about missing file/DLL

If you install the debug package and run it with WIN32LOG=1  you will probably see which specific DLL or file is missing in the log files.  ODIN generates LOTS of messages in the log files, but if you look through them you will see the file that cannot be loaded.

The debug package looks to be available on ANPM

It is been awhile since I used the debug package. I believe I installed it from *.wpi or *.zip package. I also seem to remember that I installed it in a separate director(s) and adjusted the LIBPATH statement to switch between production and debug.  You may or may not be able to do that with ANPM. If you don't want to overwrite your normal package find a ZIP or WarpIN package  for debug and use that.

Article Discussions / Re: Greatest keyboard of all time?
« on: January 02, 2020, 06:26:46 pm »
Sergy - I didn't know curlie existed.


Article Discussions / Re: Community Ideas BrainStorm for 2020
« on: January 02, 2020, 06:16:33 am »
I am coming to appreciate the power of RPM more and more. But what we really have are two "standard" installation techniques that don't talk to each other: WarpIN and RPM. WarpIN in many ways is the the friendlier of the two, but its two level database (OS2 INI files) really isn't powerful enough to handle large applications and packages.  With RPM/APM I don't know how to find out where stuff gets installed, and since so much is automatically installed I have found myself installing something with WarpIN that turned out to be already installed via RPM. And as far as I know there is no uninstall in RPM/APM.

The other issue with RPM is how to package the product and where to place the RPM packages so that they can be found. With WarpIN you just create an archive and upload to Hobbes.

Recognizing that I don't know much at all about RPM or its database, or how realistic this is, perhaps for 2020 we get a modified WarpIN that uses the same database RPM uses for storing info about its applications and packages.

Article Discussions / Greatest keyboard of all time?
« on: January 02, 2020, 05:49:55 am »
The one in the photo was built Sep 1993, and is hooked up to my ASUS/AMD system via a PS/2 to USB convert that runs through a USB KVM switch.

I am partial to the IBM Model M, as is the Linus Tech guy -

I get parts for mine at

If you are partial to the older Model F you might be able to pick up a new modern one from
This guy is "Bringing back the classic buckling spring keyboard, built to last for decades but out of production since the 1980s, for a short production run ending soon!"   He is building the F62 Model F – Kishsaver and the F77 Model F.  I don't like the keyboard layouts of the Model F, but you can get customization of the key layouts so that it comes close to the Model M.

Polls / Re: My ArcaOS Youtube Channel is Online since January 1, 2020!!
« on: January 02, 2020, 05:19:00 am »

Very nice. Keep up the good work.  I also liked the "Celebrating the 25th Anniversary" video. I enjoy seeing the hardware you have installed OS/2 on, and how you have customized it.


Doug B.

Unfortunately there is no correlation between competence and harmlessness of elected officials. Example: in most U.S. states district attorneys are elected; district attorneys are NOT harmless. Some are them (and their offices) are very competent, some are not. A brief survey of the number of people who have been released because of DNA evidence after being convicted should convince everyone of the harmlessness - elected - competence issue. Colorado s case is Timothy Masters.

As for whether the government needs a warrant to save your emails, and is saving your emails,

Given the fact that NSA officials have lied to congress about its data collection activities 
( I think it is a safe bet to assume that all emails are being scooped up and stored in Nevada.

You are also correct that most people don t care about privacy. John Oliver on the show Last Week Tonight demonstrated that on his episode on Edward Snowden. (In that episode, available on Youtube, Oliver flew to Moscow to interview Snowden. Warning: the show is vulgar, very funny, and sad.) But they should.

It seems that most people view the scope of privacy as limited to dick pics and banking information, which is sad. Because the issue of privacy is much broader and much more important. The U.S. Supreme Court, for example, used the implied right to privacy in the U.S. Constitution to overturn a Connecticut law banning contraception (giswold v connecticut) and to set limits on when states can prohibit abortion (Roe v Wade).

I would agree that changing my life-style is easier than changing government. But changing government, and the practices of commercial enterprises on privacy, is more important for a free society. And in a democracy is everyone's responsibility. -end of sermon-

[edited for privacy]

Doug B.

You may think that your emails contain nothing of interest, but your government disagrees.  Otherwise it would not be saving all of them.

As Mathias pointed out in his Amsterdam example, what you say and do and who you associate with may be innocent today, but may not be innocent next year, for reasons you have no control over and for reasons that may be completely unrelated to anything you have done.

As for advertising on desktops. The problem with ads appearing in a desktop operating system is, in my opinion, this: Once ads start appearing soon there will be an effort to better target the ads to the appropriate viewers. In order to do that information will have to be gleaned about the user. We all know how that has progressed in the smart phone world.

Going back to Amsterdam and privacy concerns verses commercial concerns, cities are already buying data gleaned from smart phones about peoples' travel habits and patterns for traffic planning. I know my city (population ~ 45,000) is doing so.  That data knows where people work, when they go to work and when they leave work, which routes they take home, whether they stop off at stores or other locations on the way home, etc.

The information collected commercially, and sold commercially, is available to government without warrants. I was concerned some years ago about privacy concerns when approving automatic license plate readers for the police department. Especially given the desire of the police to combine license plate location information from auto readers from other departments across the metro area in order to build a database of people's movements over time.  Which they have done. But with the information available from smart phones being sold commercially, license plate readers are now rather passe.

My opinion is concern about advertising showing up in Windows is, and should be, concern about privacy and civil liberty. They are very much related.

Alumni associations seem to have supernatural abilities to track graduates down across time and space. And, I guess, donors also. Thanks Daniel for contributing to Hobbes.

I too have noticed that Hobbes seems to have a problem with a large backup of incoming files, which is troublesome.  But I have to vote with Martin on archiving old drivers.  Newer versions of a driver for the same hardware SHOULD work better, but it seems that is not always the case. I can think of a couple examples in OS/2, and a few more examples in Windows.

Lars' concern about someone accidentally getting the wrong version of a driver for a piece of hardware is valid. Perhaps a list/cross reference of hardware to driver(s) with versions would help. Although if someone just searches Hobbes without consulting the list the list would do no good.

Applications / Re: WPS - folder refresh failure...
« on: November 30, 2019, 04:21:18 pm »
Yes I have seen this - both on folders on a remote machine and folders on local drives. 

My problem was files that I knew to be in a directory were not showing up in WPS.  I have also seen where I drop a folder template on a drive object and the new folder does not appear - even after hitting refresh.

The solution (for me) was to strip off all the extended attributes of the files in the folder(s) having the issue, or the folder containing the new folder that didn't show up.  The link for that thread is:

Hardware / Re: Pen for OS/2
« on: November 18, 2019, 02:12:15 am »

Wow.  I guess I won't be trying the calcomp driver that is bundled with Pen for OS/2. I don't have a virus checker or any way to check those files.  The board will emulate a Wacom output format, so I might try the watcom and your driver, if you think it would work with a USB to serial adapter.

I have been trying to buy a pen for the board and can't find out from Calcomp which cordless pens work with that board. When I tried to buy what was listed on their website, the vendor who handles their stuff said it wouldn't work, and could not tell me a part number that would. I bought the board so my wife could trace dress patterns and then modify the patterns; I thought a pen would be easier for her use while tracing than the "cursor".

I stumbled on some manuals for earlier Calcomp boards (9100 and 9500) that appear to show the formats of the output of the various Calcomp boards, and the commands you can send to the board(s) to configure them, both from the host computer and from the 16 button cursor. I can send you the links, or the files, if you would like.

Applications / Re: GIMP & Xsane
« on: November 02, 2019, 09:25:02 pm »

My memory of Hoblink being made available for free after it was discontinued is the same as yours. Same as BlueCad, Embellish, and some other programs.


That installs and runs ok on AOS and ECS.

Hardware / Re: Pen for OS/2
« on: November 02, 2019, 05:44:35 pm »
I recently picked up a CalComp DrawingBoard iV and just got it hooked up and working with BlueCad on WinXP yesterday.

It is connected to an old pentium 4 3.2 ghz single core machine that dual boots XP and ECS.  So I will try next week and see if I can get it working with Pen for OS/2 on ECS. Since the board will emulate some 30 other boards/protocols and the machine is single core, I am somewhat hopeful Pen will work, if indeed the problems with Pen are related to SMP and one of the emulations available with the board match a driver supplied with Pen.

Since the board connected via RS232/serial I don't think I can use any of JOOPs drivers.

Applications / Re: GIMP & Xsane
« on: November 02, 2019, 05:17:03 pm »

Hoblink was bundled in ECS as part of ECS, e.g. free - I don't remember the version of ECS but I do remember finding it a few months ago when looking through ECS CDs. The readme for it says it is version 3.5.

The one I have installed runs fine on AOS.

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