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Applications / Re: PmMail 3.24 bug
« on: June 05, 2020, 12:24:27 am »
I have gotten a logon to the PMMail Mantis, created a ticket, and then modified the ticket because my original bug report was both wrong and right.  I am updating this here in case anyone is reading this that doesn't have a logon to PMMail Mantis bug tracker.

I reported a bug as 1) the check box setting "Channel Encryption is Optional" does not retain its setting for two of my channels when PmMail is closed, and 2) that caused PMMail to not connect to Comcast.

As it turns out #1 is correct but #2 is not correct.  It appears the reason why PMMail was not connecting was because I had multiple accounts set up, some of which are no longer active.   I was clicking Fetch All which wasn't working.  It appears that it timed out waiting for a response from the no longer active account mail servers.   When I select individual accounts and click Fetch This Account PmMail connects and retrieves mail correctly.  Now that I have figured it out  I consider this to be user error on my part,

Once I have archived the emails I want to save from the no longer active accounts I will delete those accounts and try Fetch All again - if that still doesn't work I will create a new bug report.

Applications / Re: PmMail 3.24 bug
« on: May 18, 2020, 11:33:52 pm »

For some reason the email didn't go through.

Applications / Re: DOS VDM and Win-OS2 Fans ?
« on: May 18, 2020, 04:18:21 pm »
I am using AOS v 5.0.0 or 5.0.2 (don't remember which) with an ATI Radeon X600 in dual head  3840 x 1080  resolution on an ASUS motherboard with an AMD processor.  Win-OS2 works in all modes: full screen,  Win-os2 session, and seamless, although it took a little adjustment to get the seamless to start without a dialog box popping up.

I also have a Lenovo laptop with Intel core 3 running AOS where Win-OS2 does not work in any form. (Except I tried one of the unofficial fixes from AOS specific to another user and got it working for a few hours and then it stopped.)

Essential utilities:  I install Win32s 1.3 and then back-install Win32s 1.25a to get a couple programs that "require" win32s 1.3 to run - one of those being FrameMaker 5.5. The other utility I use is WinZombe to completely terminate seamless sessions that won't close properly. (I promised Martin to open source that and then decided to rewrite it so I wouldn't be embarassed  and then got distracted before finishing, but I will finish it and send it to you Martin.)

Programs: I use FrameMaker 5.1.1 on a regular basis because I am used to the program and there are some things it does (create a PDF with hyperlinks in the document) that I don't believe are available on an OS/2 program. I also use Lotus Improv v 2 which was never ported to a 32 bit version and is fantastic, ReportSmith v 2.5 (I cannot get v 3.0 to run in ODIN) for creating printed reports from a database, and Q+E/Intersolv database editor for viewing and editing data in databases.  There was a version of Q+E database editor for OS/2 and it still works but it was released before Q+E switched to using ODBC drivers and so it only works with the databases that Q+E wrote their own interfaces for, so I have to use the Win-OS2 versions to get at other databases.

Documentation for tuning:  The best I have found is RedBooks GG24-3731-00 "OS/2 Version 2.0, Volume 2: DOS and Windows Environment.  It is part of a 5 volume series that came out with OS/2 version 2 explaining how the operating system works.  (GG24-3730-00 Volume 1 Control Program, GG24-3732-00 volume 3  Presentation Manager and Workplace Shell,  GG24-3774-01 volume 4 Writing Appplications, GG24-3775-00 volume 5 Print Subsystem)

I have tried DosBox on the laptop as a WIn-OS2 substitute and sometimes Improv works and sometimes it does not.  The work-around that always works on the laptop for me is Improv running in Windows XP running in VBOX.

Reason why Win-OS2 is important:  1) applications. There are some Win16 programs that I use that were never ported, and some Win16 programs I use that have no OS/2 equivilent.  2) money,  I have tens of thousands of dollars I have spent on software that I don't want to spend again even if there is a new version available.

Applications / Re: PmMail 3.24 bug
« on: May 18, 2020, 03:03:55 pm »
Thanks Doug B.  I will report it when I get a logon.

Applications / PmMail 3.24 bug
« on: May 17, 2020, 06:55:41 pm »
I upgraded to PmMail 3.24 and have encountered a bug which I cannot report to OS2 Voice.

The bug is:  The setting "Channel Encryption is Optional" does not retain its setting for two of my channels when PmMail is closed.  That setting is on the Global Settings notebook, on the Secure Transfer tab, select a Channel Definition and click the modify button. The Channel Encryption is Optional checkbox is on the dialog box that pops up.   If that check box is not checked PmMail will not connect to my Comcast email server.  The setting reverts to unchecked for two of my channels when PmMail is closed.

I tried reporting the bug to the URL specified in the PmMail help.  Which requires creating a new account in Mantis bug Tracker. The first time I tried to create an account I accidently typed the wrong email address.  There is no way to recover from this because the user name for the new account is now consided to be taken when I retry.  So I created another user name, correctly typed my email address, and tried using the confirmation URL emailed me by Mantis but received a message which says "The confirmation URL is invalid or has already been used. Please signup again."

BTW - other than that the new version looks very nice.

Applications / Re: Odin on Warp 4.52 virtualbox
« on: January 21, 2020, 01:30:10 am »

I have attached a zip file with a couple of small simple Win32 apps you can use to test ODIN. They are in Unzip them into a directory, and run them with PE.EXE, e.g.



I have also attached ODINZPP.ZIP, which contains the HELLOWORLD.EXE I mentioned.  It has been a while since I installed ODIN, so I went back and found the app and ran it on my machine.
ODINAPP.ZIP is actually designed to distribute some microsoft DLLs that cannot be distributed without an application - hence the HELLOWORLD.EXE app. The zip package contains the app and the DLLs, and an installation program. If you can run the installation program then ODIN is working, since the install program (SETUP.EXE) is  a WIN32 program.

The problem I had in running HELLOWORLD.EXE is it doesn't run very well. Sometimes it starts but nothing shows up - the main window is invisible. I had to restart the desktop in order to get the window to display.

I installed the debug version using ANPM in order to see if I could get the same output I remember getting before. I haven't tracked that down yet - but I will post when I conclude that attempt.  I did notice that both the "normal" version of ODIN and the debug version are available through RPM/ANPM.  As you know the regular version is libodin.386 and the debug is odin-debuginfo.i686  (I don't see the libodin.i386 in the list of available packages on ANPM - but it does show up with a YUM LIST *ODIN*    I don't know it I am missing it in the list or there is a bug in the ANPM GUI.

Just ran across a video which shows alternatives to Windows and Mac - and includes ArcaOS in the list

Applications / Re: Odin on Warp 4.52 virtualbox
« on: January 12, 2020, 12:23:27 am »

I assume you have run the ODIN/Win32 HELLOWORLD.exe program to test that ODIN is running - or in this case not running - and are still getting the message about missing file/DLL

If you install the debug package and run it with WIN32LOG=1  you will probably see which specific DLL or file is missing in the log files.  ODIN generates LOTS of messages in the log files, but if you look through them you will see the file that cannot be loaded.

The debug package looks to be available on ANPM

It is been awhile since I used the debug package. I believe I installed it from *.wpi or *.zip package. I also seem to remember that I installed it in a separate director(s) and adjusted the LIBPATH statement to switch between production and debug.  You may or may not be able to do that with ANPM. If you don't want to overwrite your normal package find a ZIP or WarpIN package  for debug and use that.

Article Discussions / Re: Greatest keyboard of all time?
« on: January 02, 2020, 06:26:46 pm »
Sergy - I didn't know curlie existed.


Article Discussions / Re: Community Ideas BrainStorm for 2020
« on: January 02, 2020, 06:16:33 am »
I am coming to appreciate the power of RPM more and more. But what we really have are two "standard" installation techniques that don't talk to each other: WarpIN and RPM. WarpIN in many ways is the the friendlier of the two, but its two level database (OS2 INI files) really isn't powerful enough to handle large applications and packages.  With RPM/APM I don't know how to find out where stuff gets installed, and since so much is automatically installed I have found myself installing something with WarpIN that turned out to be already installed via RPM. And as far as I know there is no uninstall in RPM/APM.

The other issue with RPM is how to package the product and where to place the RPM packages so that they can be found. With WarpIN you just create an archive and upload to Hobbes.

Recognizing that I don't know much at all about RPM or its database, or how realistic this is, perhaps for 2020 we get a modified WarpIN that uses the same database RPM uses for storing info about its applications and packages.

Article Discussions / Greatest keyboard of all time?
« on: January 02, 2020, 05:49:55 am »
The one in the photo was built Sep 1993, and is hooked up to my ASUS/AMD system via a PS/2 to USB convert that runs through a USB KVM switch.

I am partial to the IBM Model M, as is the Linus Tech guy -

I get parts for mine at

If you are partial to the older Model F you might be able to pick up a new modern one from
This guy is "Bringing back the classic buckling spring keyboard, built to last for decades but out of production since the 1980s, for a short production run ending soon!"   He is building the F62 Model F – Kishsaver and the F77 Model F.  I don't like the keyboard layouts of the Model F, but you can get customization of the key layouts so that it comes close to the Model M.

Polls / Re: My ArcaOS Youtube Channel is Online since January 1, 2020!!
« on: January 02, 2020, 05:19:00 am »

Very nice. Keep up the good work.  I also liked the "Celebrating the 25th Anniversary" video. I enjoy seeing the hardware you have installed OS/2 on, and how you have customized it.


Doug B.

Unfortunately there is no correlation between competence and harmlessness of elected officials. Example: in most U.S. states district attorneys are elected; district attorneys are NOT harmless. Some are them (and their offices) are very competent, some are not. A brief survey of the number of people who have been released because of DNA evidence after being convicted should convince everyone of the harmlessness - elected - competence issue. Colorado s case is Timothy Masters.

As for whether the government needs a warrant to save your emails, and is saving your emails,

Given the fact that NSA officials have lied to congress about its data collection activities 
( I think it is a safe bet to assume that all emails are being scooped up and stored in Nevada.

You are also correct that most people don t care about privacy. John Oliver on the show Last Week Tonight demonstrated that on his episode on Edward Snowden. (In that episode, available on Youtube, Oliver flew to Moscow to interview Snowden. Warning: the show is vulgar, very funny, and sad.) But they should.

It seems that most people view the scope of privacy as limited to dick pics and banking information, which is sad. Because the issue of privacy is much broader and much more important. The U.S. Supreme Court, for example, used the implied right to privacy in the U.S. Constitution to overturn a Connecticut law banning contraception (giswold v connecticut) and to set limits on when states can prohibit abortion (Roe v Wade).

I would agree that changing my life-style is easier than changing government. But changing government, and the practices of commercial enterprises on privacy, is more important for a free society. And in a democracy is everyone's responsibility. -end of sermon-

[edited for privacy]

Doug B.

You may think that your emails contain nothing of interest, but your government disagrees.  Otherwise it would not be saving all of them.

As Mathias pointed out in his Amsterdam example, what you say and do and who you associate with may be innocent today, but may not be innocent next year, for reasons you have no control over and for reasons that may be completely unrelated to anything you have done.

As for advertising on desktops. The problem with ads appearing in a desktop operating system is, in my opinion, this: Once ads start appearing soon there will be an effort to better target the ads to the appropriate viewers. In order to do that information will have to be gleaned about the user. We all know how that has progressed in the smart phone world.

Going back to Amsterdam and privacy concerns verses commercial concerns, cities are already buying data gleaned from smart phones about peoples' travel habits and patterns for traffic planning. I know my city (population ~ 45,000) is doing so.  That data knows where people work, when they go to work and when they leave work, which routes they take home, whether they stop off at stores or other locations on the way home, etc.

The information collected commercially, and sold commercially, is available to government without warrants. I was concerned some years ago about privacy concerns when approving automatic license plate readers for the police department. Especially given the desire of the police to combine license plate location information from auto readers from other departments across the metro area in order to build a database of people's movements over time.  Which they have done. But with the information available from smart phones being sold commercially, license plate readers are now rather passe.

My opinion is concern about advertising showing up in Windows is, and should be, concern about privacy and civil liberty. They are very much related.

Alumni associations seem to have supernatural abilities to track graduates down across time and space. And, I guess, donors also. Thanks Daniel for contributing to Hobbes.

I too have noticed that Hobbes seems to have a problem with a large backup of incoming files, which is troublesome.  But I have to vote with Martin on archiving old drivers.  Newer versions of a driver for the same hardware SHOULD work better, but it seems that is not always the case. I can think of a couple examples in OS/2, and a few more examples in Windows.

Lars' concern about someone accidentally getting the wrong version of a driver for a piece of hardware is valid. Perhaps a list/cross reference of hardware to driver(s) with versions would help. Although if someone just searches Hobbes without consulting the list the list would do no good.

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